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Advice needed: HD DVR or not?

I'd appreciate any advice you guys can give on what a new HD user (me) should do to enjoy HD programming. I purchased a 50" DLP HDTV last week and currently have an indoor OTA antenna hooked up to it for local HDTV broadcasts. Though this works very well, I work 2nd shift and unable to watch most of my favorite shows in HD. So obviously what I need is the ability to record the HD shows from the antenna and/or HD Pak when I upgrade programming with Dish.

Okay, so I have the 522 now with the AT120 package. I've been with Dish for about 11 months, so my 1 year commitment will be coming up shortly. My local cable company (Mediacom) only has 1 or 2 locals in HD and they don't have a DVR that can record from the OTA antenna, so they aren't really an option right now. So these seem to be my best options (unless you guys can suggest somthing better):

1) Replace my current 522 with the 921. I assume that my current monthly costs would remain the same (since both are dual-tuner receivers) except for the additional $10 for the HD Pak. And of course, I'd have to pay the $550 for the receiver itself. Do I understand correctly that the 921 does NOT support name-based recording like the 522 does? What other differences (besides HD of course) between the 522 and 921? What else would I lose/gain?

2) Wait a couple (or more) months until the 942 comes out and just keep the 522 for now. I'm still not clear on whether existed customers will be able to lease the 942 for the $250 fee? Or whether the 942 will only be available to new customers at first? This sounds like a more affordable option and will give me a (hopefully) better receiver but I don't know how long I'd have to wait for it? I would miss all of my favorite shows in HDTV until I got the new receiver! Also, what are the main differences between the 921 and 942?

3) YOUR SUGGESTIONS?

Comments: My TOP priority has to be the ability to record HD content since I am rarely home to watch them. I watch the local channels the most, so recording OTA HD channels is also a TOP priority. And having 2 tuners is also pretty high on the list since many of my shows are on at the same time. Output to more than one TV is NOT a neccessity, however, as I would be perfect content with just watching TV in the living room (we don't watch TV anywhere else except for DVD's for the kids in the bedroom).

I am assuming that the 921 or 942 are my only options with Dish. I have no idea on what Direct TV offers in this area but I really don't want to go through the hassle of switching unless there is a significantly better offering. Though I will probably be interested in watching some of the other channels in HD (Discovery, etc), the locals are my top priority and *if I could find some way to record my locals in HDTV without having to upgrade receivers and subscribe to the HD Pak, I would probably do that for now...

Sorry for so many questions! I appreciate ANY help here. :)
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Trav,
Oh, go ahead and do it. Well, let me modify that statement. wmhjr is probably correct in saying the 921 might not be worth too much later on.
The other point in my mind is how far do you live from the towers that transmit your local HD signals? If you are reasonably close, say 5 to 30 miles or so, and all in the same direction, you may have excellant results with the OTA and a simple indoor antenna. If you do decide to do it, try making recordings from all the OTA channels that you will be using before you fill up the hard drive with programs you want to keep for a while, just in case one of them causes the catastrophic problem of losing everything on your hard drive. There are a number of us that have had this problem and it usually is traced to a specific station that the 921 just can't handle.
(There are a lot of people that are quite happy with their 921 and you verywell could be one of them.) I am one of those, currently, that is fairly happy, but I live in an area where OTA is almost impossible so currently only record CBS-HD which I get off the dish in HD and record anything else I want in SD. Annoying but livable for now.
Due to my location I ended up adding Comcast basic and a HD box (total $20/mo) so that I can watch my favorite network programs in HD.
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Just to be clear...

In my case, virtually any OTA use cause problems such as complete lockups requiring pulling the plug, normal rebooting, missed timers, etc. I spent a great deal of time trying to diagnose it. No particular channel. My HDTV has an OTA tuner, and has absolutely no problem at all with any of those signals either. When I didn't use the OTA portion of the 921 at all, it worked great. Of course, then I didn't get any network HD except CBS (when it wasn't blacked ouu, like for Steelers games prior to the playoffs)

OTOH, there certainly are people who have had great satisfaction with the 921. I just wouldn't roll the dice for the amount of money it costs.

Grandude said:
Trav,
If you are reasonably close, say 5 to 30 miles or so, and all in the same direction, you may have excellant results with the OTA and a simple indoor antenna. If you do decide to do it, try making recordings from all the OTA channels that you will be using before you fill up the hard drive with programs you want to keep for a while, just in case one of them causes the catastrophic problem of losing everything on your hard drive. There are a number of us that have had this problem and it usually is traced to a specific station that the 921 just can't handle.
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I decided to switch to D* and get the HR10-250 HD-DVR. Though it was more expensive than the 921 ($550 vs $800), it came with a 5 yr warranty that is transferable to a replacement model when the current one is outdated. I've had my share of bugs with the 522 I've been using for the last year and it sounds like the 921 is even more bug-prone, so I didn't want the frustration. And as for the 942, it sound intriguing but I didn't want to wait for it... especially since it'll probably only be available to new customers anyway and will probably be full of bugs for at least the first few months anyway.

I don't mean to sound bitter. I'm just not happy with E*'s receiver reliability and it seems like they just can't get them to work right. Perhaps I'll have problems with the Tivo unit as well, who knows, but I'm ready for a switch.
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Please let us know

I'm really interested in how the D* TiVo does. Since Direct has most of the networks in HD I might consider D* in the future.
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wmhjr said:
I'm really interested in how the D* TiVo does. Since Direct has most of the networks in HD I might consider D* in the future.
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In my area, I'll still need to use the OTA antenna for HD locals, but the HR10-250 has 2 inputs for this and can record from the antenna. I'm hoping this works out well - I may have to get an outdoor antenna because some of the local stations only come in at 65-75 signal strength. They have been working okay with the built-in tuner on my TV, but I obviously can't record... and since I'm rarely home during prime time because of work, I haven't had the ability to record and watch them later.

I'll report back when everything is up and running next week.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Bruce
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How things have changed

I was reading this article

thehill.com

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
thehill.com thehill.com

That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Bruce said:
And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?
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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...
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Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.
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Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
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Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.
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savarese04 said:
Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.

Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.
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I have turned some off, not others ...
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View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/u4rACh-Tt5k?feature=share
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Funny thing is that as the screen size and pic quality increase, the quality of the programming has DEcreased.
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skipped the OLED Tv entirely?
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Claude's site is still up and running. New link required

I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!
satelliteretailer.com satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
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If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.
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dishstaller said:
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!
satelliteretailer.com satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
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Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!
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Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working. :)
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USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
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osu1991 said:
Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs
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Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?
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that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
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Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?
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Started my own business in 2006, been self employed for 20 years this year.
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that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
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Even sarcastically it's wrong. Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls." The immigrant-related pieces are a small part of the ~$1 trillion. They cut the federal match for emergency care from 90% to the state's regular rate and end eligibility for some lawful immigrants like refugees. Most of the "savings" come from work requirements, more frequent eligibility checks, and provider tax limits, which hit citizens.

Either way, the cost doesn't disappear. It shifts to states, hospitals, and everyone else's premiums and will only serve to make issues like those raised in this thread worse.
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meStevo said:
Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls."
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That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

    • California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
    • Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]
    • Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]
    • New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]
    • Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
    • Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]
    • Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]
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That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

    • California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
    • Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]
    • Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]
    • New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]
    • Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
    • Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]
    • Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]
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Fair point, but it's consistent with what I said: no federal Medicaid money goes to undocumented immigrants. Those programs are state-funded, so the federal ~$1T cut can't touch them. Whatever states decide to do with their own programs is a separate budget decision.
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The feds give money to the states for them to use - Cutting the fed funding only means the taxpayer savings will passed onto the states that need to make up the Fed dollars cut -See the list above for those states affected
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Rest in Peace Walter Koenig & Patrick Stewart

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What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Auto Racing 2026

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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
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HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
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