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Last reply Jun 25, 2011 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Cancelling TV2 timers

Anyway to cancel a recording that has started on tv2 from tv1 while in dual mode? For instance I have a timer set to record on tv 1 and 2 at the same time but want to change the channel on tv1 and interrupt the tv2 timer. I have noticed that when this happens it forces me to cancel the tv1 timer. Just started using dual mode as I have been using single mode for a very long time. I am now forced to use dual mode to keep from paying another receiver fee on new tv.

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pabeader

Jun 23, 2011

that might work for the actual timer. but what if it's already fired??? i think that's what the OP was asking...

JCarais

Jun 23, 2011

pabeader said:
that might work for the actual timer. but what if it's already fired??? i think that's what the OP was asking...

Deleting the TV2 timer from TV1 will also stop the recording on TV2, but if it's a recurring timer you probably wouldn't want to do that as you would have to remember to keep going back to TV2 and recreating the deleted timer(s).

TG2

Jun 23, 2011

(I hit post after JCarais, I was testing to try to figure out how I did it before)
I had noticed after getting L685 it was much harder to stop one.

The only way I've found was to go into the schedule, bring up the currently recording item in the schedule, then go to its timer, and delete it. It comes up and states its recording, and asking if I want to stop the recording and delete the timer.

I then have to create the timer again.

but it works.. unfortunately not as easily as before.. another stupidity dish took from the firmware.. (ie, "Stop Rec." button when going into the recording in the DVR menu)

JCarais said:
Deleting the TV2 timer from TV1 will also stop the recording on TV2, but if it's a recurring timer you probably wouldn't want to do that as you would have to remember to keep going back to TV2 and recreating the deleted timer(s).

actually many receivers default to TV2 when setting up timers (single or dual mode).

SaltiDawg

Jun 23, 2011

TG2 said:
The only way I've found was to go into the schedule, bring up the currently recording item in the schedule, then go to its timer, and delete it. It comes up and states its recording, and asking if I want to stop the recording and delete the timer.

actually many receivers default to TV2 when setting up timers (single or dual mode).

Record Plus is an option only in Dual Mode.

In Dual Mode with a timer in progress on TV2 I do not believe that TV1 can in fact delete a timer on progress on TV2.

TG2

Jun 23, 2011

SaltiDawg said:
Record Plus is an option only in Dual Mode.

In Dual Mode with a timer in progress on TV2 I do not believe that TV1 can in fact delete a timer on progress on TV2.

you may not believe it.. but as I edited my post to explain .. I was in fact testing while the previous person hit post on their's about deleting the timer.

I'm in dual mode ... and get the option to manually choose a TV ... excuse... "TUNER" to have record. In *SINGLE* mode ... it still defaults to Tuner 2 ... or *ANY* available tuner *if* there are multiple items on at the same time.

So ... on a 722k ... running L685 .. you can delete an active timer recording on TV2 (excuse me again, I mean TUNER 2) from TV1's view of the DVR. Still doesn't change the fact that it was *MUCH* easier before.. where you only needed to go into the event that was recording in your DVR screen .. and one of the buttons was marked "Stop Rec" as in stop recording.. again.. dish just took it away.. (idiots)

loubon

Jun 23, 2011

TG2 said:
Still doesn't change the fact that it was *MUCH* easier before.. where you only needed to go into the event that was recording in your DVR screen .. and one of the buttons was marked "Stop Rec" as in stop recording.. again.. dish just took it away.. (idiots)

I don't believe you were ever able to stop a recording in dual mode across tuners even before the software upgrade. If we're talking about the same thing I can recall many times I was recording a show on TV2 but wound up watching it on TV1 at the same time. When the show was over (but there was still a few minutes of extra recoring time) it would always give me a message that I couldn't stop or delete the recording if I treied (from TV1 anyway).

TG2

Jun 24, 2011

loubon said:
I don't believe you were ever able to stop a recording in dual mode across tuners even before the software upgrade. If we're talking about the same thing I can recall many times I was recording a show on TV2 but wound up watching it on TV1 at the same time. When the show was over (but there was still a few minutes of extra recoring time) it would always give me a message that I couldn't stop or delete the recording if I treied (from TV1 anyway).

as is currently.. you have to delete the timer... it will prompt you that the timer is currently recording.. and answer yes to stopping that recording.. *then* you can delete the program. And then too you'll have to re-create the timer if you want the timer. (ie. New Episodes)

The "Stop Rec" button use to appear for me, when I'd go into a recording in progress on Tuner2 .. ie bring up dvr, open and start playback of that Tuner2 recording, then go back into the DVR button, back into that dvr event, and the third button down *use to* change to "stop rec" ... perhaps that was a "feature" before L685 on the 722k ... and when they rolled out the firmware updates (with past 2 versions L683/L685) they may have pulled that option *out of* control from TV1 and made it so that Tv1 could only get that "Stop rec" button on TV1/Tuner 1 recordings in progress while in dual mode.

And another way.. if you have Sling features.. (Sling adapter or 922) is to open up Dish Remote Access ... View Live TV, and then change the channel there... wait for a minute and it will come back with "this will cancel the recording do you wish to continue" ...

In any case, its not as easy as using Remote 2.. but it can be done .. and this would be a "feature request" now to dish.. to make the Stop Rec button appear *regardless* of which tuner is recording and regardless of Single/Dual mode.

SaltiDawg

Jun 24, 2011

TG2 said:
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In any case, its not as easy as using Remote 2.. but it can be done .. and this would be a "feature request" now to dish.. to make the Stop Rec button appear *regardless* of which tuner is recording and regardless of Single/Dual mode.

Historically this not only was not a feature but the capability was intentionally not incorporated. Many of us thought that the reason for this was TV1 should not be viewed as a "primary" or "superior" viewing location. In some locations TV2 is the primary viewing location for one user and TV2 for another. Allowing each of these two persons to create their own timers and manage their own viewing content independent of the other person was viewed as important.

This is a "feature request" that does not need implementation as far as some are concerned. YMMV.

TG2

Jun 24, 2011

SaltiDawg said:
This is a "feature request" that does not need implementation as far as some are concerned. YMMV.

And I'd completely disagree ... if they really wanted to enable functions.. then they would have made it so that User2/TV2/Tuner2 would have a completely separate list of timers... and in every access type would have included timer id's that told whether the timer was created by user1 or user2 ... DRA, DO, both treat timers as a sole unified list. Point of contention would be the desire to control BOTH tuner's timers from BOTH remotes regardless of at TV1 or TV2 ... it becomes the users *AT* the controls to do the right things.. perhaps dish could make it with a double prompt (your tv didn't setup this timer to record, are you sure you want to stop this recording?) or could offer pass code options to protect a timer and or recording.. the issue though, is that dish never properly separated Tuner1/TV1 from Tuner2/TV2 simply because the fact that they were trying to redress "record one, while watching another" as a selling feature. Thats from having had the X12's 512/612 ... dual tuner single out .. dish only did the next best thing by having two independent outputs to cut back on their hardware ... service two tv's from one box rather than two boxes for two tv's..

But anyway.. it doesn't matter ... it is a feature that would have usefulness for those that need it, its not detrimental to other users, so no reason not to have it.

SaltiDawg

Jun 24, 2011

TG2 said:
And I'd completely disagree ... if they really wanted to enable functions.. then they would have made it so that User2/TV2/Tuner2 would have a completely separate list of timers... ....

Oh nonsense. On numerous occasions in the last couple of months you've come to these forums and stated a way that you think things should be done. No problem with that. But when folks point out another point of view you dismiss those views.

It is a fact that at least some of us want TV2 to be able to set timers on TV2 and TV 1 to be able to set timers on TV1 and neither TV be able to stop those timers on the other TV from completing. And yes, at least some of us want to be able to share those existing recordings on either TV.

And, yes, our votes for the status quo do count. lol

When I said, "This is a "feature request" that does not need implementation as far as some are concerned. YMMV." you said, " And I'd completely disagree..."

What, "as far as some are concerned" can not have that opinion?

TG2

Jun 24, 2011

SaltiDawg said:
Oh nonsense.

in what you said quoted right there ... that much I agree.
nit picking and presuming context isn't a strong point to be made. as is, not asking you to jump on my bandwagon nor requiring it ... for the rest, stop presuming please that I mean you to say that you and others can't have differing opinions ...

Example TV1 should not presumed superior? When in fact it is.. you have no HD output options for TV2 on any of the current HD capable receivers. So how would you presume dish meant for TV2 to be a priority anywhere? They don't they never did .. and again I point to the default setting for Record Plus - TV2 such that they presumed TV2 (tuner 2) to be a less devoted output.. right?

Either way .. there's no detriment to having the feature enabled to stop *any* recording on *any* tuner from *any* remote ... the time will come you would be in another room, and find an item recording and want to stop it .. for what ever reason ... and because of the current setup, end up having to find that other remote control to get it stopped (or use one of the work arounds) ... any other desire would be best served by dish allowing users to lock out or make a "master" controller option ... lockouts with passcodes probably being the easier option for them to accomplish.

styxfix

Jun 25, 2011

Menu > 6 > 1 > 1. Going to the point dish screen should stop all current recordings on either tuner.

SaltiDawg

Jun 25, 2011

TG2 said:
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Example TV1 should not presumed superior? When in fact it is.. you have no HD output options for TV2 on any of the current HD capable receivers. So how would you presume dish meant for TV2 to be a priority anywhere? They don't they never did .. and again I point to the default setting for Record Plus - TV2 such that they presumed TV2 (tuner 2) to be a less devoted output.. right? ....

You're just trolling, right? As I said, as far as some of us are concerned having an opinion is not something you can say is wrong... you may not agree with it or you may think the logic is bad but it is a fact. You seem to think that if you think something should be done in a manner that you believe to be best that if Dish does not do it that way they are somehow wrong and you elicit help from the DIRT team to bring about change. Fine, unless you dismiss dissenting opinions out of hand.

In my home we use a 622 receiver in the bedroom and also in the kitchen. The events set to record while in the kitchen are generally set by my wife. The events set to record while in the bedroom are generally set by me. Let me absolutely assure you that I am not going to suggest to my wife that her choices are somehow less important or lower priority then my choices.

In our opinion the way the receivers were set up is just fine. I again state,"YMMV." However, I again state that while you may not see that as a need in you mind, it is an opinion that is shared by "some" - and I suspect more than just two of us.

Dish has one of the best DVRs in the business out there, in spite of your suggesting that Dish somehow is inept and not listening to their customer base. Having run large production and design efforts, I realize it is easy for one with no design or production responsibilities to look in from the outside and criticize, however unless given internal access to qualified individuals those observations usually are not of help and rarely add value.

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Last reply Today at 10:36 AM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Laptop Shutting Off When On Battery?

Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.

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arlo

Today at 10:09 AM

A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.

dishstaller

Today at 10:36 AM

arlo said:
That's all I got.

That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks

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Starlink Router question

I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

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b4pjoe

Saturday at 2:12 PM

TRG said:
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.

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HipKat

Saturday at 11:07 PM

TRG said:
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc

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Foxbat

Sunday at 12:44 AM

TRG said:
…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.

harshness

Sunday at 11:46 AM

If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Foxbat

Today at 10:27 AM

Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.

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Yesterday at 11:24 AM

dishstaller said:
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

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They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.

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