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DC 2 HD is fantastic looking. But people migrate over to pizza like the second coming thinking that their HD lite is the cats meow. Although that is a fallacy as anyone with a FTA HD receiver knows. As pizza goes down in quality prices increase. So Mr mainstream keep supplying pizza with it's monthly fix of cash and soon a 240 line resolution picture will be the norm at $100 a month. Some are smart and won't bite at that.

I hear Charlie is up to his old tricks again possibly dumping ESPN on Dish Network. This will sit well with the sports fans. Those who know where the backhaul sports feeds are can find most of them ITC in beautiful HD. Very few have this information though and blind scanning will not find them. The broadcasters have gotten smart and use tricks that don't let greenhorns find them. Those with inside information though know better. And this information is not posted in any forums even hidden area's.

There is more HD in the big dish sky than ever before if you know how to play the game May not be a DC 2 encrypted channel but plenty others. Keeping a HDD 200 though will provide you some beautiful HD here and there.

tvropro said:

DC 2 HD is fantastic looking. But people migrate over to pizza like the second coming thinking that their HD lite is the cats meow. Although that is a fallacy as anyone with a FTA HD receiver knows. As pizza goes down in quality prices increase. So Mr mainstream keep supplying pizza with it's monthly fix of cash and soon a 240 line resolution picture will be the norm at $100 a month. Some are smart and won't bite at that.

I hear Charlie is up to his old tricks again possibly dumping ESPN on Dish Network. This will sit well with the sports fans. Those who know where the backhaul sports feeds are can find most of them ITC in beautiful HD. Very few have this information though and blind scanning will not find them. The broadcasters have gotten smart and use tricks that don't let greenhorns find them. Those with inside information though know better. And this information is not posted in any forums even hidden area's.

There is more HD in the big dish sky than ever before if you know how to play the game May not be a DC 2 encrypted channel but plenty others. Keeping a HDD 200 though will provide you some beautiful HD here and there.

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The problem is, when I sit down at the end of a long day, the last thing I want to do is get on the internet or scan a bunch of satellites for an occasional free channel. TV is TV, just like it is for most people. and it revolves around me, not me around it. HD is nice to have but far from my #1 priority. I would rather watch the local channels in 240i than watch HBO in high def. Oh, that's right, H2H doesn't have HBO, or nothing high def.

And since the broadcasters hide channels from greenhorns like me, then HD Direct TV sounds like the way to go. It's simple & easy to use for dumb people like me. Direct TV HD may not have as clear a picture as your HD but it is slightly sharper than H2H, at least from what I've seen.

And since it requires inside information that is not allowed for dumb people like me to get, I guess you've sold me to run my dozer over this HD reciever, cancel my H2H subscription & go with Direct.

NotTy said:

I guess you've sold me to run my dozer over this HD reciever, cancel my H2H subscription & go with Direct.

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If you want to take your HDD 200 and toss it out a window I could care less. Cancel H2H no skin off my teeth. Get the biggest package Direct has with all the toys and pay $250 or more a month if thats your prerogative. It don't effect me one way or another. I will keep doing what I do and you can bow to the pizza savior if that's your thing. It's not mine, we all do what we want in the end anyway no matter what anyone says.

Lets see $250 x 12 = $3000 a year for pizza over compressed programming with toys. I don't know... I could do a lot for my big dish hobby and have quite a bit left over for that 3k a year.

tvropro said:

Lets see $250 x 12 = $3000 a year for pizza over compressed programming with toys. I don't know... I could do a lot for my big dish hobby and have quite a bit left over for that 3k a year.

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I have never yet been quoted it will cost me $250.00/mo by any satellite or cable company & personally don't know anybody, not friends, neighbors or family that pay that much. In fact, I personally don't know anybody who pays much over a $85.00/mo. If you pay $250.00/month, I'd say you probably asked for it.

NotTy said:

In fact, I personally don't know anybody who pays much over a $85.00/mo.

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I do not know anyone with a bill less than $85./mo. other than new subscribers!
That is a lot of dough! Pizza dough that is!
After the promotion runs out then they get the royal $crew job!

Most people accept pizza and its shortcomings as the only way to get TV especially when it comes to purchasing a package to get their otherwise free local OTA channels. The extra toppings like movie channels, sports packs, porn, PPV, extra receivers, DVRs all add up and people keep loading that pizza up! I cannot figure out why so many people with loaded pizza go out to watch movies at the theater every weekend!

Here at SatelliteGuys most here have the knowledge what is available and how to get it either at best quality, most quantity and/or affordable. If you do not have the knowledge then it can be found somewhere in the many category choices here. A quality or a quantity comparison should not have to end up in a all out food fight either!

I am not one of the "dough boy$" and I stay out of the pizza kitchen and spend most of my time on 4DTV, FTA and OTA areas. I am amazed on how much pizza gets dropped on the 4DTV floor!!! Let's clean it up! It seems like every 4DTV thread has pizza sass! Do the pizza areas all include 4DTV???

Dishman Dan said:

I do not know anyone with a bill less than $85./mo. other than new subscribers!
That is a lot of dough! Pizza dough that is!
After the promotion runs out then they get the royal $crew job!

Most people accept pizza and its shortcomings as the only way to get TV especially when it comes to purchasing a package to get their otherwise free local OTA channels. The extra toppings like movie channels, sports packs, porn, PPV, extra receivers, DVRs all add up and people keep loading that pizza up! I cannot figure out why so many people with loaded pizza go out to watch movies at the theater every weekend!

Here at SatelliteGuys most here have the knowledge what is available and how to get it either at best quality, most quantity and/or affordable. If you do not have the knowledge then it can be found somewhere in the many category choices here. A quality or a quantity comparison should not have to end up in a all out food fight either!

I am not one of the "dough boy$" and I stay out of the pizza kitchen and spend most of my time on 4DTV, FTA and OTA areas. I am amazed on how much pizza gets dropped on the 4DTV floor!!! Let's clean it up! It seems like every 4DTV thread has pizza sass! Do the pizza areas all include 4DTV???

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Good post Dan. I hate to say it but the pizza virus is spreading to more big dish forums. It killed satforums and now its over here at satellite guys. It going take to turn for the worse here which will cause big dish people to stay away. IMO the pizza guys have caused muting of 4DTV Map Master progress over here. I was going to keep posting updates here and even make the program downloadable at satguys but that won't happen now. I have been told that satguys got complaints about it and removed my link to the new MM forum. It's sad to see that Satellite guys don't want to be included in the release. The downward trend to good big dish happenings continue. It seems they rather would allow the pizza guys to do there pizza glory work, but it is what it is. The Big Dish will always rule with no pizza control ever at the places I run.

There has been a helluva lotta pizza stuff on the floor in this area lately, and now it's running down the walls too! Funny thing about it, is I don't see ANY C-band parts laying around in the pizza sections!

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eurosport said:

There has been a helluva lotta pizza stuff on the floor in this area lately, and now it's running down the walls too! Funny thing about it, is I don't see ANY C-band parts laying around in the pizza sections!

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It's a double standard don't you know !sadroll

tvropro said:

Good post Dan. I hate to say it but the pizza virus is spreading to more big dish forums. It killed satforums and now its over here at satellite guys. It going take to turn for the worse here which will cause big dish people to stay away. IMO the pizza guys have caused muting of 4DTV Map Master progress over here. I was going to keep posting updates here and even make the program downloadable at satguys but that won't happen now. I have been told that satguys got complaints about it and removed my link to the new MM forum. It's sad to see that Satellite guys don't want to be included in the release. The downward trend to good big dish happenings continue. It seems they rather would allow the pizza guys to do there pizza glory work, but it is what it is. The Big Dish will always rule with no pizza control ever at the places I run.

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You do realize that DBS or "pizza" as you like to call it was not even mentioned in this thread until post 19, which was your post? I am certainly no fan of what has become of C-Band. I wish that GI/Motorola, Drake, Chaparral, and others had continued to support it. It would be great if we could get the master feeds and have a HD DVR receiver capable of getting the DCII and PowerVu channels. But it is what it is, and it is not going to happen. If someone wants cable type programming today, they have to get it from cable, if you can get cable, the telephone company, if your telecom offers it, or from DBS. If you will go to the real C-Band forum on this site, and the other FTA areas there is hardly any mention of "pizza" so you cant say that SatelliteGuys is running off FTA hobbyist. Probably the reason there is mention of it in the 4DTV area is that there is still a small contingent of subscription based channels left available through 4DTV for the time being. If you are happy with H2H that is good, I am happy for you. But you really should not carry such a chip on your shoulder about DBS. What I am saying is, you are providing incorrect information about $250 per month prices for the packages, and that DirecTV extends your commitment without telling you, etc... If someone is asking about the difference in H2H and DirecTV or Dish Network it is fine to sell "your" service, just be fair about it. I am sure that the H2H SD picture quality is better than DirecTV, but for what you get the price seems inflated. I realize that there are only a few subscribers left to carry the burden though. And I agree with you that the HD picture from most C-Band feeds I have ever seen exceeds that of what DirecTV and Dish carry, but their HD picture is perfectly watchable and look quite good, I would have to give the slight edge to DirecTV. Anyway, my point is SatelliteGuys is not all about "pizza" and they are not trying to push FTA hobbyist and C-Banders out the door in any way.

GEE Whiz, Kids, this post was about a HDD 201 decoder. Looks like what is really needed here is a staff member to close it before someone chokes someone.

Help STAFF MEMBER!

RT.

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