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Last reply Jan 6, 2012 · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Top 1% of Mobile Users use half of world's bandwidth

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/t...rs-use-half-of-worlds-wireless-bandwidth.html

Interesting story from today's NY Times.

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Islandguy43

Jan 6, 2012

Most businesses these day now have on site wifi and the same with most of us at home. So why don't this top 1% understand they should be surcharged, capped and pay more than the rest of us; like me whom only use 25% of his 2gb of data on my iphone last month because I have it set to use wifi first. You suck up all the bandwidth you should pay for it.

mike123abc

Jan 6, 2012

Islandguy43 said:
Most businesses these day now have on site wifi and the same with most of us at home. So why don't this top 1% understand they should be surcharged, capped and pay more than the rest of us; like me whom only use 25% of his 2gb of data on my iphone last month because I have it set to use wifi first. You suck up all the bandwidth you should pay for it.

The problem is that it is not a problem in Europe where the cell phone companies work to provide the capacity needed for unlimited at lower prices. Note that all the talk of capping is in North America. Canada started it all with their near monopoly, they capped home broadband and wireless all the time. US providers have tried to follow both at home and cellular connections. Not that there is really a bandwidth shortage, but a shortage of the companies investing.

Home broadband costs less than 1 cent per GB to deliver. The capping is just trying to protect video revenues and generate more profit. Cellular is closer to 10 cents. If they charged overages at a 100% markup, $1 should get you 5 more GB (i.e. 20 cents).

I would be happy to pay realistic rates for my data consumption. I pay $30 for unlimited. If it were say limited to 10GB (i.e. $1 in real cost to the phone company and the rest for overhead and profit) then $1 for each 5GB I go over, fine. Everyone would make money. And they demonstrate it works in EU. In fact they say go ahead and be unlimited because few are ever going to use 300GB a month that a $30 bill would cover.

The same goes for the home market. Charge me $20 for a 50 mbit connection and then 2 cents a GB.

Also it is not the top 1% it actually 7.6%+ since they were counting world wide cell phone users of which 87% do not even have a data plan.

Like I mentioned above this was writting to try to make people mad thinking that some small group is driving everyones bill up by sucking down all the data in the world. When in reality the heaviest use customers are in Europe and they have no issue. This seems like a plant from AT&T or VZ to try to justify their lack of investment and near duopoly status. Poor Sprint is trying, but they are losing out on all the overage charges.

Why are you having to buy 2GB of data every month when you only use 500MB? Because AT&T knows that most their customers cannot live on the 200MB plan, so they priced accordingly to max profits.

Anole

Jan 6, 2012

Here is why, and who uses all that bandwidth.
New iPhone doubles data consumption: study | Reuters
Note how consumption went up from iPhone 3 to 4, and then way up to 4S.
It's all Apple's fault! - :up -

John Kotches

Jan 6, 2012

Mike123,

That price you are quoting for data delivery includes no costs for infrastructure or amortized plant/last mile costs. There are terrific long and mid term costs associated with both of those that needs to be factored in.

They are often overlooked, but should not be.

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mike123abc

Jan 6, 2012

John Kotches said:
Mike123,

That price you are quoting for data delivery includes no costs for infrastructure or amortized plant/last mile costs. There are terrific long and mid term costs associated with both of those that needs to be factored in.

They are often overlooked, but should not be.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk

That is true, but AT&T has managed to squeak out a 39.95 billion dollar EBITDA over the last 4 quarters even with all those data hogs. One notices that while VZ decided to put in data caps, they were not complaining about being out of bandwidth and their customers seemed to not be complaining about their network. They also got the iphone now and it did not collapse their network either... Hmm could it be that AT&T simply has under invested in their network for years, using it as a cash cow and then come up with some fake crisis excuse to try to buy out a competitor to just get more control of the market without investing in more towers and backhaul? It is also true that AT&T (well until VZs approval to buy the cable company spectrum) has the most spectrum of all the carriers and is sitting on the most unused frequencies.

Maybe someone will finally do something with T-Mobile. They just got a huge present from AT&T. Will they use it to build out a nice LTE network to compete with the others?

If there was real competition in the US, it would be like Europe where companies are all pushing unlimited at low rates and putting a resonable amount back into the network to builld it out to handle the capacity.

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Peter Parker

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Last reply 16 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Saturday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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naptime

Yesterday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 1:01 PM

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

https://www.amazon.com/Have-Tried-Turning-Again-T-Shirt/dp/B07G1ZV9W9/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3NNRAEED195WV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.86TxUTPcw48CRYlDcLntwpMxbPDBfjiLu4wMZGX3VN6ajG_cFCuoDBJT7pS9CW2mjThKlke5Z6dlXH8bJKkQF4s892wGVU1ca_00S0BQz6F15V30_4szIdWeycvw3_zoVtsULQASM8bGcgvsKms930xApC43y_-YBVN0Q8Xsf_csSqXcmhWpresARdXHfx2VazllrXI8asduvrbnk9S3CGnzjqnVTkjzFSpSQLdQKA6Dx_7UfbQIBBJsqAmQwwtDGqM0YKVIkjV4ARgVJvJ69vLPhxV0m8pkJQd_2w_QX_A.-jSy9OqrqWdxPBsgZGia1hHMbvDAKxxhRn9kK1EBdCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=have%2Byou%2Btried%2Bturning%2Bit%2Boff%2Band%2Bon%2Bagain&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1792342839&sprefix=have%2Byou%2Btried%2B%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-11&customId=B0752XJYNL&customizationToken=MC_Assembly_1%23B0752XJYNL&th=1&psc=1

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:14 PM

dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Here's the one I need:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

Foxbat said:
Here's the one I need:

View attachment 194877

Just ordered one....that's great.

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jsmit86

Today at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Today at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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navychop

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Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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RTX Spark: NVIDIA's AI PC Powerhouse Details! #shorts

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 5:05 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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HipKat

Today at 8:55 AM

I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

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AZ.

Today at 9:02 AM

Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?

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telstar_1

Today at 1:22 PM

HipKat said:
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

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Nominal

Today at 4:30 PM

telstar_1 said:
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.

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dishdude

Today at 5:05 PM

I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Today at 4:16 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Take It To The Limit - The Eagles

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harshness

Today at 9:30 AM

ClarkGable said:
Take It To The Limit - The Eagles

The two instances of "The" should have been highlighted.

Take Me to the River - Talking Heads

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Blinded By The Light - Manfred Mann's Earth Band

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I Saw The Light - Todd Rundgren

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"You Can See Everything" Is 1 of the Century’s Best #shorts

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dfergie

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Last reply Today at 4:01 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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TRG

Oct 10, 2026

Two Chicago style hot dogs and a Fanta orange soda.

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Mr Tony

Oct 12, 2026

Little mini pepperoni pizza, green beans, apples and chocolate milk.

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dfergie

Oct 12, 2026

TRG said:
Fanta orange soda.

Sitting in fridge cooling off, bought 1 along with 2 Mexican Cokes at La Tienda... (I keep a few cokes stashed as well as in fridge and camper fridge)

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Mr Tony

Today at 2:17 PM

Garlic cheese bread
Green beans
Apples
Chocolate Milk
Some weird noodles.

(They have salad and a couple other fruits if wanted)

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TRG

Today at 3:41 PM

Club sandwich and corn chowder. Iced tea.

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Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)

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dfergie

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Last reply Today at 3:54 PM · posted in TV Shows

Stargate SG-1 Discussion

Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed

Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner

The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
Source Gateworld

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dfergie

Sep 10, 2026

The Tokra pt 1, I know pt 2 will be next...
(came across on Pluto tv live, went to media server for "clean" version)

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reubenray

Today at 1:30 PM

I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

osu1991

Today at 2:00 PM

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:47 PM

reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

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reubenray

Today at 3:54 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

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Last reply Today at 2:37 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish 4K Event Listings (No Discussion)

This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.

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Bobby

Tuesday at 8:48 PM

MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.

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Tuesday at 8:50 PM

CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.

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NASCAR, Freeway Insurance 500, Sunday 10-18, 12PM PDT, Channel 148-04.

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CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.

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Today at 2:37 PM

CFB, Ole Miss at Texas, Saturday 10-24, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.

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Ramy

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Last reply Today at 2:11 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:19 AM

A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 6:34 PM

Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"

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Today at 10:03 AM

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osu1991 said:
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.

. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!

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Jimbo

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Mike0616 said:
They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!

Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.

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