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Last reply Mar 23, 2005 · posted in Old VOOM Installation Archives

Grounding Question

Hello,

I have my install scheduled for tomorrow. During my "this old house" rehab, I have previously run coax cables from the attic to the second floor bathroom where I installed a grounding block and connected a ground wire to a cold water pipe. The coax then continues to the second floor coax receptacle and the other, to the first floor receptacle.

I plan to have the OTA antenna and Voom dish installed on the chimney and have the respective coax connected to the existing coax in the attic. The grounding blocks in the second floor bathroom are about 25 feet in cabling from the antenna site.

Is this grounding good enough? Should another grounding block be added at the install site by the chimney? Would two sets fo grounding blocks hurt the signal?

Thanks!

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branchbouncer

Mar 21, 2005

Cold water pipe grounding should be done as close to where the water service enters the house from outside,the pipe enters the house-on the other side of the wall the pipe is in soil(ground)

Mike500

Mar 21, 2005

Make sure that the house panel ground is bonded to the cold water pipe within 5 feet of its entrance into the house. The water pipe ground must be continuous. Jumpers with #6 copper condictors and UL listed clamps must span the water heater, the water meter, or any other dielectric nonconducting pipe union.

The current 2002 National Electric Code (NEC) states that water pipe ground only is not adequate. It would be easy to supplement it with an 8 ft UL grounding rod connected to the panel using a #6 copper conductor.

jsb_hburg

Mar 21, 2005

Mike500 said:
Make sure that the house panel ground is bonded to the cold water pipe within 5 feet of its entrance into the house. The water pipe ground must be continuous. Jumpers with #6 copper condictors and UL listed clamps must span the water heater, the water meter, or any other dielectric nonconducting pipe union.

The current 2002 National Electric Code (NEC) states that water pipe ground only is not adequate. It would be easy to supplement it with an 8 ft UL grounding rod connected to the panel using a #6 copper conductor.

Yes, my panel is located right next to where the water supply enters the house. The grounding rod is in the ground just on the other side from the panel and water supply and there is a grounding wire from the panel to the grounding rod. So, I believe it is definitely within the first five feet.

I installed my antenna on the roof and, just in case, I have put a grounding block on the outside for the installer to run a ground wire from the block to the rod.

So, is the original grounding effort in the first post adequate? Alternatively, it would not hurt to add a second grounding block on the outside where the cable enters the house?

Thanks!

Mike500

Mar 22, 2005

Your original effort would be fine, but it would not hurt to do as you said with an additional grounding block. The NEC is a minimum. Overkill is good when it comes to safety.

OHMS

Mar 23, 2005

DI-COM installers suggest INDOOR GROUNDING !!??!!

Mike500 said:
The current 2002 National Electric Code (NEC) states that water pipe ground only is not adequate. It would be easy to supplement it with an 8 ft UL grounding rod connected to the panel using a #6 copper conductor.

jsb_hburg said:
So, is the original grounding effort in the first post adequate? Alternatively, it would not hurt to add a second grounding block on the outside where the cable enters the house?T hanks!

I paid local satellite pro to advise me; DiCom (Long Beach, CA) are Installs Inc. local vendor; but they got zero OTA in 2 service calls with upgrade OTA antennae (Radio Shack # U-75R UHF). They finally put it where local pro suggested; resulted in 50 OTA channels with 98/99!

They ran separate coax cable from rooftop OTA antennae to splitter block in my upstairs office. It feeds the three VOOM receivers in our house. They DID NOT GROUND THE ANTENNAE NOR THE DISH, but suggested that I attach the splitter blocks to the metal case of the circuit breaker box inside my office !! If the NEC quote above is correct; VOOM and their contracted installers should know it, should they not? Three installers I've been graced with all disagreed w/NEC requirement Mike500s quoted post references. Is it required by NEC or not?

I protested, and signed the work order Incomplete because of the lack of grounding. There was not a copy for me ! Think they'll send one?

Rained again last night and pictures on all satellite channels broke up very badly, and went to black screen several times. I turned everything off and disconnected the expensive TVs lest lightning find its way into our living room. Today I called VOOM and CSR ADAM 123 wrote service order for upgrade to the 30in. dish VOOM APPROVED BEFORE in additon to requiring copper wire run from the dish to a ground rod and from the antennae to another grounding rod. Di Com brought a 24in. dish sent from Las Vegas to a Long Beach CA subscriber.

They hope for a Tuesday Mar. 29 install. This delay is because VOOM may have to ship the 30in. dish from New York if DiCom won't buy one here and charge VOOM for it. Hell, DiCom has the one VOOM sent for me last week, but DiCom twice told me I don't need a larger one ! VOOM's attempts at great service seem repeatedly thwarted by local installers with anti-VOOM bias.

The installer developed significant symptoms of cat allergies during his visit, so I put a couple small TVs and the VOOM receivers beside a skylight so the rooftop dish aiming could be quantified on the screen of the small TVs. I gave him medication and a tip but in his haste to depart he took all of the extra cables that came in the receiver boxes, leaving only coax runs from receivers to the small TVs and lengths of coax I could run to the living rooms. I have two replay TVs and a TIVO, so I asked to receive the digital and component cables when they return. Wish me luck!
mike
I just reread voom help 633; seems contradictory. All or none. where's middle?

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Anony55

Last reply Yesterday at 7:40 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.

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Nebugeater

Dec 22, 2025

Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

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tparker

Sep 30, 2026

Nebugeater said:
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

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Nebugeater

Oct 2, 2026

tparker said:
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

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Anony55

Thursday at 6:18 PM

Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:31 AM

Nebugeater said:
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

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Anony55

Yesterday at 4:19 PM

dishstaller said:
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 5:37 PM

They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.

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Corrado

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.

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zippyfrog

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NBA League Pass

Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?

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zippyfrog

Wednesday at 4:54 AM

I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)

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Darrell S

Yesterday at 7:37 PM

I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.

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Last reply Yesterday at 6:20 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Thursday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Thursday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Thursday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Thursday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Thursday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Thursday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

Yespage

Yesterday at 10:04 AM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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meStevo

Yesterday at 6:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one

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Former member 209992

Last reply Yesterday at 5:37 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Thursday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Thursday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 12:29 AM

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 12:38 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 6:03 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:31 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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Not likely since that place closed down.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 5:37 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Not likely since that place closed down.

You're no fun.

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Therm

Last reply Yesterday at 4:01 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:56 PM

I really dislike change for the sake of change

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dishdude

Yesterday at 2:51 PM

I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

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Therm

Yesterday at 3:39 PM

dishdude said:
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"

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navychop

Yesterday at 3:53 PM

"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"

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Tampa8

Yesterday at 4:01 PM

Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.

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Foxbat

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Last reply Yesterday at 3:48 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

navychop

Thursday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Thursday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

ncted

Yesterday at 9:00 AM

KAB said:
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.

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navychop

Yesterday at 2:31 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

ncted

Yesterday at 3:45 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.

ncted

Yesterday at 3:46 PM

navychop said:
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

You should have looked in the APP STORE instead.

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navychop

Yesterday at 3:48 PM

Will do!

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