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mhoward223

Last reply Jun 15, 2012 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

2 Hopper/4 Joey setup need help with cabling issue

I recently had a 2 hopper/4 joey installed.

Everything works great, but the installer put both hoppers on an isolated subnet.

The way the install goes is 3 cables in from LNB to duo node...two cables out from host into home. Clients both have 75ohm terminal.

In home, cable split to hopper and joeys with isolater. Would it be possible to remove the isolator and put in a splitter? All cable is rg6.

The reason I ask, is I would like to relink the upstairs joey to downstairs hopper and and vice versa.

TIA

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MortiseMaker

Jun 14, 2012

My installers did the same thing. They cabled from the "host" ports on the Duo Node to an isolator. One leg of the isolator went to the Hopper, the other leg to (in my case) a 3-way splitter for 3 Joeys. Duplicate that for the other Hopper and 3 more Joeys.

I do not know why they wired it that way. The two client ports on the Duo Node were just terminated. Some families would want the subnets isolated to limit the children from the adult equipment. Certainly not the case here. We are only my wife and I.

I discovered the problem while working to get the DLNA features running on my network. I purchase an HIC and inserted in ahead of one of the 3-way splitters to provide ethernet to the Joeys. Those three got it OK - but the other 3 got none.

I had a tech come out to solve the problem. I suggested he completely remove both isolators and cable directly from the 2 client ports on the Duo Node to the 3-way splitters. Then, connect each Hopper directly to a host port on the Duo Node. He did so and all was well and now working to my satisfaction.

I did get charged for another service call. I am not too upset about that.

If you have a Duo Node - you could do the same connection scheme as I have used for my 3H 6J system.

Bobby

Jun 14, 2012

MortiseMaker said:
My installers did the same thing. They cabled from the "host" ports on the Duo Node to an isolator. One leg of the isolator went to the Hopper, the other leg to (in my case) a 3-way splitter for 3 Joeys. Duplicate that for the other Hopper and 3 more Joeys.

I do not know why they wired it that way. The two client ports on the Duo Node were just terminated. Some families would want the subnets isolated to limit the children from the adult equipment. Certainly not the case here. We are only my wife and I.

I discovered the problem while working to get the DLNA features running on my network. I purchase an HIC and inserted in ahead of one of the 3-way splitters to provide ethernet to the Joeys. Those three got it OK - but the other 3 got none.

I had a tech come out to solve the problem. I suggested he completely remove both isolators and cable directly from the 2 client ports on the Duo Node to the 3-way splitters. Then, connect each Hopper directly to a host port on the Duo Node. He did so and all was well and now working to my satisfaction.

I did get charged for another service call. I am not too upset about that.

If you have a Duo Node - you could do the same connection scheme as I have used for my 3H 6J system.

It's just the wife and you and you have a 3 Hopper-6 Joey system?????

3HaloODST

Jun 15, 2012

Your situation could have just as easily (actually a lot easier) been solved by swapping the isolators for taps.

Also, your post is confusing as you keep mentioning only 2 Hoppers and you keep mentioning a Duo Node but 3 Hoppers requires a Duo Node and a Solo Node. I have a feeling that you can connect the "Client" ports of the Duo/Solo Nodes together in order to have MoCA communication between all 3 Hoppers. Not sure about that one, plan on trying it soon with my 3H/2J system (thinking about going down to 3H/1J.) Probably not before "integration" is completed though. Though I could at least see if they can see each other.

MortiseMaker

Jun 15, 2012

Bobby said:
It's just the wife and you and you have a 3 Hopper-6 Joey system?????

Well, we have only 2 Hoppers. There are 3 Joeys linked to each one.

Ha-ha! Yes, I guess that is a bit of overkill - but there IS a TV at all 8 locations. ...and the 2 Hoppers give my wife and I essentially our "own" DVR.

dfwdish

Jun 15, 2012

the isolator and tap look too similar and i have accidentally installed isolator as opposed to tap causing me all kinds of headache till i realized my mistake.

mhoward223

Jun 15, 2012

Sorry for the confusion.

I made a quick diagram to show my setup.

--- Joey 1

--- Splitter ------I--- Joey 2

Host ---- Isolator -----I--- Hopper 1

DuoNode

Host ---- Isolator -----I--- Hopper 2

|
L--- Splitter -----I--- Joey 3

|
L--- Joey 4

Both Clients on DuoNode are terminated

Can I change the isolators to that splitter and be good to go to relink Joeys to either hopper?

If I add two Joeyst later, should I get a 3 way tap and terminate the empty one and replace the splitters above with the 3 way tap?

I didn't ask for it to be setup up to isolate the two hoppers, and was under the impression from the installer that was the way it had to be done until I started reading this forum.

TIA

sparc

Jun 15, 2012

Hopper and Joey Wiring Diagrams

click that link and download the wiring diagrams. That should clear up how it should be wired and how you might want to wire Joeys in the future.
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one other question i'll ask just to be thorough .....

Where are the current isolators located? are they next to the duo node or remotely located away from the node?

Basically, i'm telling you to look in the wiring diagrams and make sure that taps are needed for your install in the first place. The Hopper/Joey system can be wired a number of different ways. Many people don't need any taps at all and can use the client ports that are on the duo node itself with those splitters.
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If you need someone at Dish to resolve this, contact someone on their DIRT team...

On the bottom of the main forum page, you'll see the usernames in red with @DISH Network at the end. Those are official reps from Dish that are active on the forum right now. Just send them a private message with your account or phone number.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/forum.php (scroll down to the bottom)
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dishstaller

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Last reply 1 minute ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Claude's site is still up and running. New link required

I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

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I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

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dishstaller

Today at 5:34 PM

If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.

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Scott Greczkowski

3 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

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I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!

Scott Greczkowski

1 minute ago

Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working.

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b4pjoe

Today at 3:49 PM

osu1991 said:
Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

vazhog

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that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

osu1991

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b4pjoe said:
Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

Started my own business in 2006, been self employed for 20 years this year.

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meStevo

Today at 4:52 PM

vazhog said:
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

Even sarcastically it's wrong. Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls." The immigrant-related pieces are a small part of the ~$1 trillion. They cut the federal match for emergency care from 90% to the state's regular rate and end eligibility for some lawful immigrants like refugees. Most of the "savings" come from work requirements, more frequent eligibility checks, and provider tax limits, which hit citizens.

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dishstaller

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meStevo said:
Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls."

That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

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- New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]
- Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
- Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]
- Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

meStevo

Today at 5:55 PM

dishstaller said:
That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]

Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]

Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]

New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]

Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]

Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]

Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

Fair point, but it's consistent with what I said: no federal Medicaid money goes to undocumented immigrants. Those programs are state-funded, so the federal ~$1T cut can't touch them. Whatever states decide to do with their own programs is a separate budget decision.

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vazhog

14 minutes ago

The feds give money to the states for them to use - Cutting the fed funding only means the taxpayer savings will passed onto the states that need to make up the Fed dollars cut -See the list above for those states affected

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