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bobsie

Last reply Jun 23, 2012 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

So Completely Frustrated

I received a billing on May 26. I am on autopay and my due date was June 15. When I received the bill, I went into my Dish account on May 28 to update the bank/credit card the autobill would be charged to. I did this because, during the same week as the billing, I changed from one bank to a new credit union. When I updated the bank account information, Dish charged the new account immediately instead of waiting until the autopay date of June 15. This caused an overdraft in my account which had to be paid out of my savings, thereby reducing my savings. I sent email to Dish and asked why this was done. I was totally surprised by the unannounced (and unconfirmed by me) charge to my new account 3 weeks before it was due. The responses I received made no sense whatsoever:

1. In the first email response, I was thanked for my inquiry as to how to update my autopay information. Of course, that was not the question I had asked and I already had updated the information.

2. After replying to the first response, I got Dish's second response: Please be advised that our system generates your bill every 26th of the month and automatically deducts your payment every 15th or 16th of the month. The payment was immediately charged from your updated AutoPay due to your account is already due and to avoid to be charged for the late fee. Changes cannot be made due to we have no control over the bill generation every month. That was pure fiction since my bill was not due for another 3 weeks and no late fee was even possible.

3. I again requested they revisit my inquiry and try again. Their third response: Please be advised that charges were already taken out from your account because DISH bill's one month in advance. Please be advised that this is a valid charge. This again was a completely inaccurate and made up excuse. I was furious. I wrote back and told them that if they did not give me a good explanation of the charge being done 3 weeks early, then I was considering never being billed by them again as I would start to be billed by DirectTV.

It has now been 3 days since my last reply to them with no response at all. This at the time I was considering upgrading my system to a Hopper/3 Joeys. I am completely frustrated over this entire situation. I am due an explanation if nothing more than an apology for the error they do not seem to want to admit happened. Instead they treat me as if I am completely ignorant and have no concept of their billing cycles. I run my own business and am fully aware of how billing works from a company. I have been in the computer business for 40+ years. I am not some ignorant slob who is whining. I just want to know why they charged me 3 weeks early. Can anyone explain this? DIRT?

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3HaloODST

Jun 21, 2012

Seriously? Are you the type that likes to blame other people for your mistakes? I think that complaining about the "wording" of the disclaimer is just failing to admit that a mistake was made. Here, I'll spell it out for ya :-

The current balance on your account is $ XX.XX. To allow a smooth transition, you will have to zero out this balance. Upon submit, your current balance will be charged to the form of payment you select below.

Such a simple three-sentence statement. It plainly states your current balance in the first sentence. In the second sentence, it states that you will need to zero out the balance and even gives an explanation as to why (albeit a vague one.) Then in the third sentence, it clarifies the meaning of the second sentence. There is no question about what this "current balance" is as it is plainly stated in the first sentence. Well, what will be charged? The third sentence plainly states that whatever you select on that page, will be charged. When will it be charged? Covered in third sentence (upon submit.) Why will it be charged? To zero out the balance. Why does the balance need to be zeroed? To allow a smooth transition. Common sense would dictate that if you do not currently have sufficient funds to zero out your balance, then you would wait until you do have the funds needed to update the account (before the due date.)

Also, no offense, but if your balance is so low that a TV bill that is probably only $130 at max causes an overdraft, perhaps TV shouldn't be the top priority. Finances might need to be looked over. A lot of banks charge "low balance" fees for accounts that have less than $1500 in them, and if it's below $400, could be even more fees.

n0qcu

Jun 21, 2012

3HaloODST said:
Also, no offense, but if your balance is so low that a TV bill that is probably only $130 at max causes an overdraft, perhaps TV shouldn't be the top priority. Finances might need to be looked over. A lot of banks charge "low balance" fees for accounts that have less than $1500 in them, and if it's below $400, could be even more fees.

It is REALLY none of your concern as to what a person wants to spend what money they have on, whether they have little or a lot.

3HaloODST

Jun 21, 2012

n0qcu said:
It is REALLY none of your concern as to what a person wants to spend what money they have on, whether they have little or a lot.

You're right. I just don't understand people that complain about something that they didn't read all the way through, and I also don't understand why some people live paycheck-to-paycheck rather than managing their money more wisely. TV shouldn't be a top priority if you're broke. It's true though, other than these few statements I make on the matter, I really couldn't care less what people do with their money (or lack thereof.) If OP didn't want people expressing their opinions on the matter, then perhaps OP shouldn't have made this thread. No need to get all uppity about it.

Scherrman

Jun 22, 2012

I am no where close to being a rich man. I am barely middles class. I just happen to have more opportunities because of my business. There are many luxuries I do not enjoy because I can not afford them and I'm ok with that. I manage my money to live the way I know I can live comfortably.

I don't want to turn this thread in to a huge debate about money because I understand the are a lote of people who have been dealt a bad hand and can't help it. My oppinion is based on the large portion of people I know that are considered poor because they are terrible at managing their money and their life in general. I'm sure you know people like this yourself. I apologize if I offend anyone that has any hardships they have been dealt. I just hope no one self inflicted these hardships on themselves.

bobsie

Jun 23, 2012

3HaloODST said:
Also, no offense, but if your balance is so low that a TV bill that is probably only $130 at max causes an overdraft, perhaps TV shouldn't be the top priority. Finances might need to be looked over. A lot of banks charge "low balance" fees for accounts that have less than $1500 in them, and if it's below $400, could be even more fees.

You seem to have missed the fact that I stated the money was charged to the account I was closing. I had already started moving my money to the new bank account before I ever contacted Dish. The charge was a surprise and unexpected. The fact I had sufficient backup in savings is all that kept me from a NSF fee.

You also seem to have the opinion that Dish is my only expense. I have many expenses, all of which are setup to be paid as sufficient funding is available in my accounts. That is the entire purpose of Dish's Autopay system plus the fact it is required for the Free HD for Life. It is not up to you to determine my TV viewing habits or needs. That is my decision. This thread is not about that. It is about a charge that I received when I did not expect one and was not given the opportunity to confirm it before it was done like any other charge at any other business (including my own). It is also about the lack of intelligent explanation as to why it happened from Dish.

bobsie

Jun 23, 2012

3HaloODST said:
You're right. I just don't understand people that complain about something that they didn't read all the way through, and I also don't understand why some people live paycheck-to-paycheck rather than managing their money more wisely. TV shouldn't be a top priority if you're broke. It's true though, other than these few statements I make on the matter, I really couldn't care less what people do with their money (or lack thereof.) If OP didn't want people expressing their opinions on the matter, then perhaps OP shouldn't have made this thread. No need to get all uppity about it.

The only person saying I am broke is you and you are talking down to me because of your opinion. It is not I or anyone else that is uppity on this issue; it appears to be you.

As I have stated before, I never saw any notice that I was being billed at that time to bring the account to a zero balance. Since this is not a policy I have seen anywhere else in my many years of doing online business with a variety of vendors, I never expected it either. No other business has ever forced me to go to a zero balance just to update my payment method. Since I was on the Autopay plan, there is an expectation that my payment date would remain unchanged regardless and that is what I thought would happen.

If you couldn't care less, than you should not have even made the comment.

Scherrman

Jun 23, 2012

All bickering aside, did you end up getting anything resolved with Dish or is that just the way it is? Are they doing anything for you?

3HaloODST

Jun 23, 2012

My apologies, I did not read that you were closing the account (somehow.) However my rant wasn't aimed specifically at you (well maybe some of it,) but just people in general. I know at least 4 people personally that refuse to save a dime, and I just don't get it why. These people are the same people that ask to borrow money all the time. They're not scraping by just for food and housing. They're spending their money on completely unnecessary luxuries then complaining that they're broke and/or the bank is charging them overdraft fees. I'm not making fun of poor people, hell I'm far from rich, but I am making fun of people that can't manage money wisely. Anyway, sorry for the off topic discussion.

I hate it that you somehow missed/didn't understand what Dish said while changing your account information, however in my personal opinion, it's pretty darn clear what they're saying. All I can say is, live and learn.

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dfergie

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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

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reubenray

Today at 1:30 PM

I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:47 PM

reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

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reubenray

Today at 3:54 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

long_time_Dish

5 minutes ago

reubenray said:
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.

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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!

Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.

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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.

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Last reply Today at 5:53 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Saturday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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naptime

Yesterday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 1:01 PM

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:14 PM

dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Here's the one I need:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

Foxbat said:
Here's the one I need:

View attachment 194877

Just ordered one....that's great.

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jsmit86

Today at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Today at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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navychop

Today at 5:53 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 5:05 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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HipKat

Today at 8:55 AM

I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

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AZ.

Today at 9:02 AM

Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?

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telstar_1

Today at 1:22 PM

HipKat said:
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

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Nominal

Today at 4:30 PM

telstar_1 said:
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.

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dishdude

Today at 5:05 PM

I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

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now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

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