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dimitriz

Last reply Oct 12, 2012 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

How DISH quietly starter ripping off subscribers of International (Russian) package, or your thought

So DISH had (still listed on their website) 2 Russian packages:

#1 NTV America for $19.99/month and
#2 Russian MegaPack (includes NTV) for $24.99/month

As of October 1st NTV apparently ceased broadcasting (moving to DirectTV) and DISH duplicated one of the other channels in the package in its place.
It is the main channel that is pretty much watched in all households, the rest of the channels are worth about $5 if that.

Well, now DISH just placed some filler channel which I call filler because the content quality is just incomparable to NTV and still charges everyone $25/m.

I just don't see how Dish removed the Main Russian channel and put a filler in it's place then went ahead with charging the same Premium price on the package.

I chatted with their customer service much there. The guy did paste me a list of the new channels that are supposed to be in Mega Pack:
(different then whats on the website)
157 NHL NETWORK (NHLN) N/A 61.5 6 SPORTS
157 NHL NETWORK (NHLN) N/A 110 15 SPORTS
477 NHL NETWORK ALTERNATE (NHLNA) N/A 72.7 29 SPORTS
477 NHL NETWORK ALTERNATE (NHLNA) N/A 119 12 SPORTS
885 NHL NETWORK (NHLN) N/A 61.5 6 SPORTS
885 NHL NETWORK (NHLN) N/A 110 15 SPORTS
9793 EURONEWS (EURNS) N/A 118.7 2 INTERNATIONAL
9897 AMEDIA (AMDIA) N/A 118.7 20 INTERNATIONAL
9898 TV CENTER INTERNATIONAL (TVCI) N/A 118.7 28 INTERNATIONAL
9899 CTC (CTC) N/A 118.7 29 INTERNATIONAL
9900 DETSKY KIDS (DTSKY) N/A 118.7 15 INTERNATIONAL
9901 AMEDIA (AMDIA) N/A 118.7 7 INTERNATIONAL
9902 TV1000 RUSSIAN KINO (RKINO) N/A 118.7 27 PROGRAMMING
9904 RUSSIAN ILLUZION (ILUZN) N/A 118.7 24 INTERNATIONAL
9905 TV RAIN (RAIN) N/A 118.7 2 INTERNATIONAL

I see absolutely nothing in the list to justify the substitution.

Your thoughts?

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Skee7ix

Oct 7, 2012

The bad thing is when you cannot drop it because you are under contract

JM42

Oct 7, 2012

From my view, it has nothing to do with what or how many channels get dropped. No one has to have a term commitment with Dish. The customer accepts the contract term in lieu of purchasing the equipment and paying install fees. The term commitment is the customer's choice. It's a calculated risk and classic pay now or pay later scenario.

Claude Greiner

Oct 7, 2012

JM42 said:
From my view, it has nothing to do with what or how many channels get dropped. No one has to have a term commitment with Dish. The customer accepts the contract term in lieu of purchasing the equipment and paying install fees. The term commitment is the customer's choice. It's a calculated risk and classic pay now or pay later scenario.

I somewhat agree, and when you get the Top200 package and Dish drops AMC, you still got 199 other channels to watch.

The issue is when you get an international package, your getting a handfull of specific channels. Take away a single channel like NTV, then thats a significant enough reason not to want to honor your committment.

As someone who has worked with Dish and Directv since 1997, the one thing I have learned is that their contracts with customers mean absolutly nothing. All you need to do is write the BBB, State Attorney General, Department of Justice, or any other Bullsh!t goverment organization that deals with customer relations with companys and plead your case with them.

They will then inturn contact Dish or Directv on your behalf and about 3-4 weeks later you will get a phone call from the provider wanting to see what the issue is and will more than likely let you out of the contract.

Do I agree with getting out of a contract this way? NO

But I have seen it done enough times by other customers, where I am fairly certain you will be able to get out of your contract.

JM42

Oct 7, 2012

Claude Greiner said:
I somewhat agree, and when you get the Top200 package and Dish drops AMC, you still got 199 other channels to watch.

The issue is when you get an international package, your getting a handfull of specific channels. Take away a single channel like NTV, then thats a significant enough reason not to want to honor your committment

It would definitely be a different level of frustration, and even more reason to be cautious of the commitment to begin with.

I would still try to get out of the ETF, and I'm usually pretty good at that type of thing. At the end of it all, I'm not going to feel "ripped off" if I end up paying the ETF or riding out a with a minimum package, but I actually read contracts and know what I'm agreeing to before signing.

amelnik

Oct 9, 2012

This is messed up. I just had additional antennae installed at my home and weekend place to be able to receive international package and signed up for the mega pack only last month. On top of that I just bought additional box for my in-laws. All this so they can babysit my kids and still be able to watch their favorite Russian shows. Now I'm out $100 x2 and $140 for the new box and on top of that I'm still paying for the megapack that nobody watches and I have to find a way for the in-laws to have their entertainment, which probably means moving to directtv and losing all dish equipment investments (3 dual divr's, sling box, switches).
Just sucks!

dimitriz

Oct 10, 2012

Sign up for Kartina.TV I actually just did today.., you'll get LOADs of channels! They even have HD and 3D channels. Dish cant even touch that .., for ~$19/m
I see they have a lots of English movies.., all with Russian translation, however I also read that you can turn off the translation and play them back in English.

SQUEEZON

Oct 10, 2012

Skee7ix said:
The bad thing is when you cannot drop it because you are under contract

I dont think thats right. Dish has not fulfilled its part of the contract
You can cancell with some persistence

amelnik

Oct 12, 2012

dimitriz said:
Sign up for Kartina.TV I actually just did today.., you'll get LOADs of channels! They even have HD and 3D channels. Dish cant even touch that .., for ~$19/m
I see they have a lots of English movies.., all with Russian translation, however I also read that you can turn off the translation and play them back in English.

Cool! I've been using ETVNet.com for a couple of years and it's been pretty good, they have plug-in for MCE and android and apple but I've not looked into having something that works with a simple settop box. I'll check into Kartina.tv, see if it has as much stuff as etvnet.com.
Thank you!

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TheForce

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Anyone planning to buy the iphone 17?

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Foxbat said:
BTW, iOS 26.1 is now out for iPhone, along with the OS 26.1 updates for all other supported Appley iDevices.

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Foxbat

Mar 10, 2026

Foxbat said:
It may be the year to update my 13 to the 15.

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Now I'm on the lookout for a leather case for it…

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"MysteryMan"

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Last reply 26 minutes ago · posted in Computers and Gadgets

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If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

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EarDemon said:
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

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EarDemon

Oct 14, 2026

WhiteBeard said:
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

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EarDemon said:
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.

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EarDemon

Oct 15, 2026

harshness said:
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?

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If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.

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I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

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harshness

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EarDemon said:
Because it's what I prefer.

I hope you don't believe that makes it wonderful (especially when you're using workarounds for Microsoft's malfeasance).

I use LibreOffice as opposed to Microsoft office (even in Windows) because it's UI is like the Office of old, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is (in a manner of speaking). The ribbon was one of the worst ideas to come out Redmond.

HipKat

Oct 16, 2026

EarDemon said:
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

I used to pin the C: drive to the Win Taskbar and it would open in cascading style

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