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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Nov 4, 2012 · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Court Rules Copying DVD now Illegal.

Say this at AVSForum.

Recently the U.S. Copyright Office in response to a request to provide a copy exemption for consumers wanting to watch legally-owned DVDs on non-disc devices, has ruled it's illegal to bypass copy-protection in order to make digital copies for playback on hard drives, tablets, phones, and non-disc devices.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1436730/new-ruling-confirms-copying-dvds-is-illegal

What do you think about that?

I have been ripping all my DVD's and Blurays and storing them on a NAS so I can enjoy them anytime.

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TheForce

Nov 1, 2012

Unfortunately John, Fair Use is a provision in the copyright act but digital content is further protected by the DMCA which has no such provision. Analog video is still protected for Fair Use. Few people understand the limits of Fair Use since it is not a simple definition thanks to the courts wild interpretations over the years.

I have said ever since DMCA was signed into law, that it was very very bad and needs to be overturned since it goes against the fundamental rights of the people in a free market society. One copyright law for all copy rights is all we need. DMCA was a way to expand the original law into new areas and not affect provisions, like Fair Use. Today, DMCA treats digital content differently than analog content.

Peter Parker

Nov 1, 2012

You might want to change the title. the Copyright Office is not a court.

Jim S.

Nov 1, 2012

Geronimo said:
You might want to change the title. the Copyright Office is not a court.

...which makes it particularly offensive that they're allowed to dictate law.

(And before anyone asks, this goes for anyone... FCC, Federal Reserve Board, whatever...)

harshness

Nov 2, 2012

Don Landis said:
I have said ever since DMCA was signed into law, that it was very very bad and needs to be overturned since it goes against the fundamental rights of the people in a free market society.

What of the rights of those who actually own the rights? "Free market" doesn't mean everything is free or should be available for the cost of duplication and shipping.

TheForce

Nov 2, 2012

harshness said:
What of the rights of those who actually own the rights? "Free market" doesn't mean everything is free or should be available for the cost of duplication and shipping.

Good point! However, as one here who IS a content creator and one who has taken people into a legal battle over copyright theft, I feel this way about the DMCA-

We have a great copyright law already with adequate Fair Use provision. The question should be asked- Just because a copyright is in digital form, why does the law need to be different and why make Fair Use illegal because the content is digital? If I distribute my work on a betacam SP master, a VHS tape, or on 16mm film, it may be copied by anyone who operates under the restrictions of Fair Use. But if I burn the work to a DVD, it automatically makes it illegal for others from copying the work restricted by the Fair Use provision.

No one is arguing that the Fair use means the copyright holder lose his rights. Fair Use was put into place to permit specific uses of copyrights without the need to get permission from the copyright owner, nor the need to pay for those rights. These specific uses are 1. Personal use, (under same household and no theatrical presentation) 2. News use 3. Educational use by recognized educational institutions. This means that if you copyright an analog work, you understand that it has no protection under fair use.

Note that the original Copyright law makes no distinction about how the copyright is formed or even uses the word analog or digital. A song is protected whether it is in sound waves or coded on paper sheet music or played with a flute or sung by human voice. But if it is encoded to 1's and 0's then it receives a special no Fair Use protection.

Personal use forbids distribution of the content to others outside the household. News and Educational allows distribution following certain guidelines.
No Fair Use may distribute for direct sale or commerce, whether or not there is a profit.

I don't see the need to restrict the above Fair Use just because the content is in digital form. This was a law poorly written (IMO) to circumvent the ease with which a user could copy using automated personal computerized process that can make a clone or close exact copy that the copyright holder was not able to lock out. ( The old key for every lock logic). So they simply made Fair Use illegal if in Digital form.

harshness

Nov 2, 2012

Don Landis said:
Good point! However, as one here who IS a content creator and one who has taken people into a legal battle over copyright theft, I feel this way about the DMCA-

We have a great copyright law already with adequate Fair Use provision.

I too create copyrighted content.

At issue is what constitutes Fair Use. I don't think I've seen even the broadest self-serving interpretation allow for copying an entire work.

As Fair Use is so poorly defined, I'm not sure it is good enough to satisfy the needs of the copyright holders. DMCA doesn't prevent you from obtaining Fair Use content, only from obtaining from copy protected sources.

JerseyMatt

Nov 2, 2012

harshness said:
I too create copyrighted content.

At issue is what constitutes Fair Use. I don't think I've seen even the broadest self-serving interpretation allow for copying an entire work.

As Fair Use is so poorly defined, I'm not sure it is good enough to satisfy the needs of the copyright holders. DMCA doesn't prevent you from obtaining Fair Use content, only from obtaining from copy protected sources.

Therefore preventing fair use of copy protected media.. Duhrrr.

Making a copy for ones own personal use - whether it be space shifting or personal network distribution falls within everyone's definition of fair use.. well, almost everyone's.

And would you please be so kind as to point out where the EULA is on a DVD or BD? Of the hundreds that I own I have NEVER seen one.

What it does say is "For SALE OR RENTAL in the United States and Canada only." The use of the word sale means that there is no license agreement expressed or implied, and first sale doctrine is in force.

navychop

Nov 2, 2012

Jim S. said:
...which makes it particularly offensive that they're allowed to dictate law.

(And before anyone asks, this goes for anyone... FCC, Federal Reserve Board, whatever...)

Politicians pass what panders.

Then count on "interpretations" and court action to clean up the mess.

Sigh, no more on this or its off to Sonic.

mike123abc

Nov 2, 2012

The main problem with things like the DMCA and such is that it really just ends up penalizing the people that actually will pay for copyrighted material. I just do not see how it has prevented people from posting copyrighted material on the internet. I would not do it just because I know it is morally wrong to do so, but why am I a criminal for ripping discs that I own? I could see if I rented the discs, ripped and returned them. It is just another poorly written law that has unintended consequences.

truckracer

Nov 3, 2012

king3pj said:
I think they need to leave their paying customers alone and stop treating them like criminals. How is this going to stop the real problem of piracy. Instead of going after people who are illegally getting movie torrents they are going after people who actually paid for the movie.

Regardless, I don't see much, if any change from this. People are going to continue ripping their movies and no one will be actively trying to stop them.

It is the new American way....everybody is a criminal. Even if you work and live honest you are still a criminal.

TheForce

Nov 4, 2012

JerseyMatt said:
Therefore preventing fair use of copy protected media.. Duhrrr.

Making a copy for ones own personal use - whether it be space shifting or personal network distribution falls within everyone's definition of fair use.. well, almost everyone's.

And would you please be so kind as to point out where the EULA is on a DVD or BD? Of the hundreds that I own I have NEVER seen one.

What it does say is "For SALE OR RENTAL in the United States and Canada only." The use of the word sale means that there is no license agreement expressed or implied, and first sale doctrine is in force.

I would say that of the hundreds of dvd's you bought every single one of them has not just a copyright statement, but also a copy forbidden statement as well as a warning that information on FBI investigation.

I do agree with you that making a copy for personal use as the intent of the original Fair Use provision was written is what most agree is not illegal. Some like harshness, feel they have additional "needs". I would say it is a want or greed, not need. But that's my opinion. The greed attitude is what evolves to the PPV model that could become a reality as I stated before. It was pointed out before this was tried and failed in the marketplace. True, but the reason it failed, was because the DIVX competed with traditional media. If all media was PPV, nothing to compete with that was able to be copied, then would the entire motion picture home distribution industry fail? I think not. We will all be subject to having a PPV or watch nothing. Copyright holders would claim, they "need" this.

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dfergie

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Last reply 7 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Channels on DIRECTV Satellite and not on Stream/Internet

So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

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MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.

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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Problem when I switch from Bonus View channels back to regular Dish channels

Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
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i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
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TRG said:
Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.

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N5XZS

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New low power station with CP has been granted. "Albuquerque "

New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.

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N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:51 PM

Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 4:54 PM

N5XZS said:
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station.

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet

N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:59 PM

Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it.

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comfortably_numb

Today at 1:35 AM

According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

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primestar31

Today at 2:08 PM

comfortably_numb said:
According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

FCC Info is a Radio and Television Station Search Engine provided by Cavell, Mertz & Associates, Inc.

www.fccinfo.com

Many of these in my DMA are on cell towers, so don't always reach very far because the towers aren't very high.

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