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**DISH ViP 722 lock-up/freezing vide problems!!!**

Starting Monday, February 11th, my DVR has been randomly locking up/freezing during playback of pre-recorded DVR events. No warning signs at all, no rhyme or reason; a show will be playing back, and all of a sudden the picture freezes. No buttons pushed on the remote control or the DVR box itself will unfreeze the image, or exit out to live TV . At this point, there is no remedy but to reboot the box. Let me also state that nothing has changed with my setup: the box has not been moved/bumped, the vents are not being blocked, it is still plugged into the same powers trip that it has been for the last 2 years.


I have only noticed it on playback of pre-recorded events, but this may be because we rarely watch live TV. This freezing will happen whether I am recording other TV shows during playback, or when nothing is recording at all. When recording other shows, even if I leave the frozen image up and do not reboot until after the shows are over at the top of the hour, the damage is already done. After reboot, the show are cut off at the moment the picture froze from the playback of the pre-recorded DVR event, even though the red record light stayed lit the entire time.


Now that it has become a consistent and recurring problem, I'm reaching out to the community here. Has anyone else experienced the same kind of problem? Some postings I've read suggest that there may be an issue with the hard drive going bad/dying. Others have indicated that perhaps the box is over-heating. Here are the numbers from the diagnostic test:


Hard Drive Counters:

  • Dst: 0x00
  • Hard Drive Info: 0x6034
  • HDD High Temp: 134 d F
  • HDD Low Temp: 104 d F
  • HDD Average Temp: 122 d F
  • Reformat Partition: 0x00
  • Fsck: 0 : 02-14-13 5:59 am
  • Transfer Mode : 0
  • Fail FS Count : 0
  • Fail umount Count: 7
  • HDD SMART status: 0
  • HDD Last Fcode: 0x0521
  • HDD START FCount: 5
  • RCount E:V:A:M 0:1:1:0
  • MCount E:M 5:3
  • DST Count:Result 1: 0x80
  • HDD EFS RW FAIL count: 0


If anyone can offer some insight here, I'd really appreciate it. I have a DVR full of shows that I don't want to lose by either a dead hard drive, or having to get a replacement DVR. Of course, maybe a silver lining here; perhaps I could convince DISH to send a Hopper/Joey setup, if they need to send a replacement DVR, as a show of good-faith.

Thanks!
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Hi, I am sorry that you are having a problem with your DVR and I would like to assist you. Can you please tell me what percentage of your hard drive is full right now? Also, please PM me your account or phone number so I can check the internal diagnostics on the receiver? Thank you!
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MaryB@SlingTV said:
Hi, I am sorry that you are having a problem with your DVR and I would like to assist you. Can you please tell me what percentage of your hard drive is full right now? Also, please PM me your account or phone number so I can check the internal diagnostics on the receiver? Thank you!
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Is there anyone handling this kind of problem anymore? I had a VIP722 for about 8 years and about six months ago it died (drive died) and was replaced by Dish. This one just started with the freezing issue and the Dish seems pointed OK but the 722 takes it time locking onto it. It never had this before and this dish was installed by a technician about two years ago have NO obstructions. I am paying a "rental' fee (at 88 years old can't afford upgrading to one with bells and whistles) and they want $95 to send a technician. I am sure the replacement I received is a rebuilt one and should be covered by them, as they did not GIVE it to me, but seems to have leased it. Any help is appreciated. I wish the drive would not run 24 hours a day, since it is only needed about 12 hours at the most. I have tried to keep it from getting too hot but treated it the same as the one that lasted 8 years. It is possible the "rebuilding" was not up to par and should not be at my expense.
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Don pushing 89 said:
Is there anyone handling this kind of problem anymore? I had a VIP722 for about 8 years and about six months ago it died (drive died) and was replaced by Dish. This one just started with the freezing issue and the Dish seems pointed OK but the 722 takes it time locking onto it. It never had this before and this dish was installed by a technician about two years ago have NO obstructions. I am paying a "rental' fee (at 88 years old can't afford upgrading to one with bells and whistles) and they want $95 to send a technician. I am sure the replacement I received is a rebuilt one and should be covered by them, as they did not GIVE it to me, but seems to have leased it. Any help is appreciated. I wish the drive would not run 24 hours a day, since it is only needed about 12 hours at the most. I have tried to keep it from getting too hot but treated it the same as the one that lasted 8 years. It is possible the "rebuilding" was not up to par and should not be at my expense.
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I agree with the last poster, could be overheating.

I've had my 722K since 2011 and when I got it would always freeze until somebody here recommended a USB fan to pull air out of it and cool it (thanks to whoever recommended that). I just put it over the vent on the back left side. It worked and haven't had any problems since.

I got this but it's not available anymore:
Amazon product ASIN B00080G0BK
View: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00080G0BK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
This might work if you could find a single fan:
Amazon product ASIN B00JLV4BWC
View: https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-MULTIFAN-Receiver-Playstation/dp/B00JLV4BWC/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1XLRMPCK3WD1J&keywords=usb+fan&qid=1691277049&s=electronics&sprefix=usb+fan%2Celectronics%2C211&sr=1-6
Also I think if you press Menu 6-1-3 on your remote (not sure since I don't have my receiver plugged in at the moment), you should be able to see the counters displayed on the original post of this thread.

HDD Average Temperature of 120 or above probably means overheating.
Don pushing 89 said:
Any help is appreciated. I wish the drive would not run 24 hours a day, since it is only needed about 12 hours at the most. I have tried to keep it from getting too hot but treated it the same as the one that lasted 8 years.
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You could do what I do, just unplug the receiver when you're not using it, like before you go to sleep at night provided of course you don't need to record something in the middle of the night.

Lastly, you or a moderator might want to erase your account number on post #22 of this thread for security reasons (I accidentally did that once).
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Unplugging your receiver when you aren't using it can cause a singular issue. It won't get its updates in the middle of the night as it should. This will cause nags during the day when you are using it that it wants to do a download. Of course the 722 hasn't had a download in quite some time so that may be a moot point.
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Unplugging your receiver when you aren't using it can cause a singular issue. It won't get its updates in the middle of the night as it should. This will cause nags during the day when you are using it that it wants to do a download. Of course the 722 hasn't had a download in quite some time so that may be a moot point.
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The only thing there is to download is the program guide which downloads upon boot up. However sometimes after extended periods of time being off when it comes back on it may not have all the channels and have to keep resetting to get them back and possibly call into dish for a programming hit.
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You could do what I do, just unplug the receiver when you're not using it, like before you go to sleep at night provided of course you don't need to record something in the middle of the night.
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Additional, the hardest action on a hard drive is power startup and shutdown, I.e., spin up and spin down; the spin up in particular. A past job that I had was writing SW for hard drive longevity studies.

While over heating a HD does shorten its life, repeated spin up/downs significantly increases the chance of crashing the R/W head and basically destroys the drive. This was a problem in the old 5xx receiver days with the Seagate HDs Dish used.

This isn't quite as true these days as it once was (hard drive manufacturers have improved drive reliability), but it is still a real issue.

This is why data centers never turn the power to hard drives off once they are first spun up if they can at all help it.
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My 722K was installed in 2008 and is still running. (Its always had a little fan next to it to help out.) This fall it had a bunch of glitches signal losses. Once the weather got better, I got out my compass and protractor and realized a tree had grown into the signal path. Once that was addressed, everything seems brand-new.

Is Dish still replacing these if/when they die? Will my EHDs still work on whatever they use now? I assume I'll need to do something someday but I'm way out of touch with dish equipment. Maybe I didn't need to mention that on a post that starts with "2008"!
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My 722K was installed in 2008 and is still running. (Its always had a little fan next to it to help out.) This fall it had a bunch of glitches signal losses. Once the weather got better, I got out my compass and protractor and realized a tree had grown into the signal path. Once that was addressed, everything seems brand-new.

Is Dish still replacing these if/when they die? Will my EHDs still work on whatever they use now? I assume I'll need to do something someday but I'm way out of touch with dish equipment. Maybe I didn't need to mention that on a post that starts with "2008"!
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As long as thee are 722s in stock, refurbished is an absolute, you can get a 722 replacement. When there are none left and you have to move up to a Hopper, your existing EHD will work just fine with it. If you were to move to a Wally, it would not work.
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What supplements have you found that really helped your overall health

Didn't see a thread like this so I figured why not start one. This is about natural supplements. If you aren't into supplements, fine, but please let those of us who do want to discuss this discuss it.

The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.
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Not sure if this would qualify as a supplement but here goes: When I meet someone who is in their 90s and doing very well healthwise I always ask what they attribute their longevity to. Out of all the people I questioned, there was only ONE thing that they ALL did. They all drank some apple cider vinegar daily....usually before bed. You can water it down all you want. Who knows why, but I do it. You want to buy the organic type with the mother.
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dishstaller said:
Didn't see a thread like this so I figured why not start one. This is about natural supplements. If you aren't into supplements, fine, but please let those of us who do want to discuss this discuss it.

The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.
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Larry Ellison’s Debt-Fueled Media Bet: Could It Spark a Crash? #shorts

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We're less than 4 weeks away from Voyager 1 reaching a distance of one light day from Earth

I've always been super interested in things space related so this is a pretty cool event coming up. Nov 18, 2026 early in the morning, Voyager 1 will reach the distance of one full light day from Earth. Took almost 50 yrs. I was 13 when it launched.


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So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
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So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
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So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
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Thanks for that info. I will mark it on my calendar! 🤣
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Will the Jupiter 2 make it in time ....
Stay tuned ...
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Foxbat said:
So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
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Isn't that insane!!!
To reach the nearest galaxy to ours, at its present speed, will take another 44 billion years.
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Isn't that insane!!!
To reach the nearest galaxy to ours, at its present speed, will take another 44 billion years.
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Man falls to his death on roller coaster at 6 Flags in GA

Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.

www.dailymail.com

Dad levitated and bled then fell to his death from coaster

Eyewitnesses have shared fresh details of the horrific accident that happened at Six Flags Over Georgia on Monday afternoon.
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Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?

Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
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Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?

Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
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Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
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Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
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It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.

Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...

NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system :)
I'm glad to see ...
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with a Seat belt as last resort.
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According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
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According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
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Well, the over the shoulder support is better, but would require reconfiguring the cars.
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Heres an article from the Akron Beacon ... seeing Six Flags has bought Cedar Point and Kings Island, they are included ...
I said earlier that Cedar Point doesn't use this type of seat restraint ... well, it does use it, But the difference is, the ones up here ALSO have the Over the shoulder restraint as well ... like I was suggesting that they should have used with the Goliath.

One of the new(er) one at Cedar point the Gate Keeper, uses the Clam shell .. I have rode it many times and have Mostly felt secure, that ride will stop you part way on the ride and you just hang, till the ride is ready to continue ... I typically ride the Front Car ... when its getting ready, you ARE hanging, in the car, looking down .... it would require 2 separate restraint systems to unlock at the same time to possibly get out of it.

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UPDATE: Six Flags is adding seatbelts to all 9 rollercoasters

www.dailymail.com

Six Flags adds important safety feature after teacher died

Hassan Kariem, 42, was killed at the theme park in Austell earlier this month, after he was thrown from his seat on the Goliath rollercoaster. Four others were injured.
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UPDATE: Six Flags is adding seatbelts to all 9 rollercoasters

www.dailymail.com

Six Flags adds important safety feature after teacher died

Hassan Kariem, 42, was killed at the theme park in Austell earlier this month, after he was thrown from his seat on the Goliath rollercoaster. Four others were injured.
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Just In Time - Tony Bennett
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You can't even trust the cost per ounce info in grocery stores anymore

I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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dishstaller said:
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
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You are paying for the whole thing
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Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
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Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
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But a box can weigh more than an ounce..maybe 2...a can might weigh 5 ounces..a bag...not much
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Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
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telstar_1 said:
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
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I would think that the Vendor/Maker of the product would have a say in it, showing the Correct weight ...
You would think it would be in the contract.

I do look at the ounces of items, but unless its way off, I don't check the math, may have to start now.

Remember when you use to get a 13.5 oz bag of Chips .... Thats a PARTY Size now.
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I would think that the Vendor/Maker of the product would have a say in it, showing the Correct weight ...
You would think it would be in the contract.

I do look at the ounces of items, but unless its way off, I don't check the math, may have to start now.

Remember when you use to get a 13.5 oz bag of Chips .... Thats a PARTY Size now.
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I remember when a pound of coffee was 16oz. Now its 12oz, they don't call it a pound anymore and its three times the cost of the 16oz pound.
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TRG said:
I remember when a pound of coffee was 16oz. Now its 12oz, they don't call it a pound anymore and its three times the cost of the 16oz pound.
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Well, they don't call it a pound anymore ....

Ice cream is that way too, use to be a half gallon, now its 1.5 quart or some say 48 oz
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dishstaller said:
Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
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You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight
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Juan said:
You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight
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Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only. Only the shipping weight should include the packaging.
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Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only.
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Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
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harshness said:
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
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I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only
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The larger discrepancies are likely from a data or sync issue. Digital tags don't cause the error, but they can spread one bad entry across a whole store or region instantly. The small cent differences are probably just rounding in the weight, the price data, or both.
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Well, they don't call it a pound anymore ....

Ice cream is that way too, use to be a half gallon, now its 1.5 quart or some say 48 oz
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Is it real Ice-cream?
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Is it real Ice-cream?
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Is it Real Ice cream ???
Depends on what your talking about.
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Is it Real Ice cream ???
Depends on what your talking about.
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Most don't have any milk in them
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I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only
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I believe that per federal law the "net weight" of the given commodity, without regard to its packaging or the particular weight of that, must be clearly stated by the producer on the packaging. As in "Net wt. 2 lbs., 7 oz." So now the stores themselves commonly state a $ "per oz." or "per count" figure at the shelf whereas they never used to, supposedly to help people to comparison shop and/or to demonstrate that they are offering good prices. I would make the first assumption that they are simply taking the product label net weight and translating from that, as that would seem both the most logical as well as the easiest. If they're otherwise plopping the product onto a scale to arrive at a stated unit cost, then obviously that adds time & effort.

The ultimate question would be, if they are doing that, what really would it gain them? They'd get to show a very slightly lower unit price, but then presumably the competition between brands would still be even. I don't see how it can really much matter, but on principle there should be rules in this regard.
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I believe that per federal law the "net weight" of the given commodity, without regard to its packaging or the particular weight of that, must be clearly stated by the producer on the packaging. As in "Net wt. 2 lbs., 7 oz." So now the stores themselves commonly state a $ "per oz." or "per count" figure at the shelf whereas they never used to, supposedly to help people to comparison shop and/or to demonstrate that they are offering good prices. I would make the first assumption that they are simply taking the product label net weight and translating from that, as that would seem both the most logical as well as the easiest. If they're otherwise plopping the product onto a scale to arrive at a stated unit cost, then obviously that adds time & effort.

The ultimate question would be, if they are doing that, what really would it gain them? They'd get to show a very slightly lower unit price, but then presumably the competition between brands would still be even. I don't see how it can really much matter, but on principle there should be rules in this regard.
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It's probably just a programming error in the price labeling computer
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I buy my coffee beans from a local small batch roaster. The scale they use has a large stainless steel bowl on top. They scoop the beans from large mylar bags containing the roast of your choice. After weighing the coffee the beans are poured into a bag or ground, your choice. I have a grinder and prefer grinding right before I brew.
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Most don't have any milk in them
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Ice cream must meet the follow standards:

Contain at least 10% milkfat (from real dairy/cream).
Weigh at least 4.5 pounds per gallon.
Contain at least 1.6 pounds of total solids per gallon and at least 20% total milk solids.
Contain no more than 100% overrun (the amount of air whipped into the mixture).

Products that don't meet those standards must still contain some milkfat and milk solids to be labeled a "frozen dairy treat".
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The larger discrepancies are likely from a data or sync issue. Digital tags don't cause the error, but they can spread one bad entry across a whole store or region instantly. The small cent differences are probably just rounding in the weight, the price data, or both.
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It's simple math. You take the price and divide by the number of ounces and come up with the price per ounce. I find it hard to believe that Walmart's computers can't carry out simple division.
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It's simple math. You take the price and divide by the number of ounces and come up with the price per ounce. I find it hard to believe that Walmart's computers can't carry out simple division.
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The division isn't the problem, the inputs are. On the Starbucks pods, $9.22 @ $3.35/oz works out to 2.75 oz, but the box is 1.94 oz. So either the system has the wrong weight on file, or the unit price is left over from an older price of about $6.50 that never got updated. Garbage in, garbage out. Walmart's had unit-pricing data problems before, too - in 2024 they paid $1.64M to settle with New Jersey after inspectors found 2,000+ instances of unit prices using the wrong unit of measure.
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NEED SUGGESTIONS FOR NEW FTA BOX

IS Amiko MIRA 3 any good ???
Can you recommend the best to cover all bases. NO BEEPS on certain channels 101w (NEWSMAX ,NEWS NATION), a clock that keeps working STEADY for timed recording ,solid unit with good lifespan. My Amiko died AND my Linkbox has NO Favorites Button and BEEPS on many channels. Picking up 105 west with a NEW SHED IN THE Way with 6 foot Cband ..95 percent quality ...unbelievable.
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techristian said:
IS Amiko MIRA 3 any good ???
Can you recommend the best to cover all bases. NO BEEPS on certain channels 101w (NEWSMAX ,NEWS NATION), a clock that keeps working STEADY for timed recording ,solid unit with good lifespan. My Amiko died AND my Linkbox has NO Favorites Button and BEEPS on many channels. Picking up 105 west with a NEW SHED IN THE Way with 6 foot Cband ..95 percent quality ...unbelievable.
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Have you tried a new power brick on your Amiko? It's slim pickings out there anymore. The FTA market in the US has pretty much been abandoned.

This would likely be your best bet, and Rick is a good seller. I've never had any issues with him:

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Have you tried a new power brick on your Amiko? It's slim pickings out there anymore. The FTA market in the US has pretty much been abandoned.

This would likely be your best bet, and Rick is a good seller. I've never had any issues with him:

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New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives
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The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


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It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.
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US EV sales are rising again. Here’s why the recovery is set to last.

Even though sales tanked last year after the end of federal incentives, the American EV sector is on the mend as drivers face sky-high gasoline prices.
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If it weren't for the sky-high electricity prices...

Of course, the real scare with Winter coming is the insane cost of heating oil.
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GM’s latest tech preview details autonomous highway driving plans, AI-powered OnStar features, and new LMR batteries for future EVs.
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Despite the politicization and perceived consumer pivot away from EVs in America, GM needs to remain globally competitive, so it's doubling down on its fourth generation EVs, with energy-dense, cheaper-to-manufacture LMR batteries, more efficient motors, and state-of-the-art centralized computing architecture. With a stated goal of cutting the traditional four- to five-year concept-to-production time in half, GM is clearly challenging the concept of "China speed," which in the Chinese automotive industry can be as quick as 18 months from design to start of production. In the AI space, GM is smartly collapsing all of its marque-specific apps under the familiar OnStar brand, while providing more features—both on the phone and in the car—than it ever has before.
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