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I have excellent c band performance and good ku. Ku is nearly as good as the corotor I removed. My analog box died and didn't ha e anyway to switch the polarity. Using my pansat 9200 I am seeing some 97w ku transponders in the mid 80's while some are down around 55-65% quality. That's the best I could get out of it tweaking and tuning on the hail damaged 10' Sami.
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wallyhts
DMX741 samething as the ESX741.

The DMX/ESX are the old model with the built in switch. I have heard that the built in switch was the #1 reason for failure.
truckracer
My ns741 results on 72w using a pansat 9200
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Hi Guys,

I ran across this thread searching the internet for a few things. I'm sorry I don't get a chance to log in or come on here as much as I would like to, but I wanted to log in after seeing this thread and clear up a couple of things:

DMX741 samething as the ESX741.

The DMX/ESX are the old model with the built in switch. I have heard that the built in switch was the #1 reason for failure.

Never heard that one? Was thinking since DMS ppl sued WSI over the DMX that WSI just removed the internal switch so it wouldn't be considered a "copy/clone"?? While I'm not crazy about having a switch hanging off that NS741 LNBF, if that's the only thing I'll have to replace it with at a decent price, then so be it!

FYI, both the DMX741s I have now were purchased used from members here and both work flawlessly.

#1: About the NS741 / NS741U without a built in switch:

There are several reasons why the switch is no longer built in:

  • Failure Rate
    It's true that most of the failures that we were seeing on the C/Ku LNBFs were the switches. As you all know, the 22KHz & DiSEqC switches can easily go out. Therefore, one of the benefits of eliminating the built in switch for us was to avoid failure of the units and having to replace the entire LNBF under warranty with a brand new one because of a little built in switch. Since we offer a two-year warranty on the units, we can not exclude the switch & specially since many hobbyists like to use these C/Ku LNBFs, and they are played with quite often, at one time or another all of us (even I) have & will say....the heck with it, I will be careful in taking off the coax without switching off the STB, and then...... oooops!!!! You know what happens next. We ask everyone to turn off the STB before removing the coax, and could very well exclude it from warranty, but it's very hard to determine if that's something that a customer actually did or if it's true failure. I would much rather keep a customer happy than have to go based on assumptions in order to try and not cover a LNBF under warranty.​

    [*]Cost
    Even though the cost of adding a little switch circuitry to the LNBF is not that expensive on an individual basis, when multiplied by a large quantity, there is a big difference in production cost.​

  • Customer Input / Demand / Request
    We have received many many requests from customers that they want to use their own switch. So combining the request with the two items above just made sense.​

Besides the switch being gone, the entire board and circuitry is very much different in the NS741 & NS741U models. As you can see, almost everyone has reported great reception and great performance.

#2: WSI / DMS Lawsuit:

Before I fully get into it, let me cover this:
Was thinking since DMS ppl sued WSI over the DMX that WSI just removed the internal switch so it wouldn't be considered a "copy/clone"??
This is not true because they have a model without a built in switch as well (Not that I want to advertise their product, but wanted to point that out.).

Now, furthermore, I really don't want to change the topic of this thread. If you guys are interested to know more about this issue, I'll discuss it in more detail in a new thread and with permission from the forum, but this basically covers everything.

I see that many are confused and what many think is the truth and facts, is nothing even close to the truth.

I feel that I have a responsiblity towards all of you, not just as forum members, and me as a former sponsor, but you as customers who have supported and trusted WSI by purchasing our products and me as a reputable equipment supplier. I want to ensure that you know the facts about the products you use and the company you give your money to. So to set the record straight & avoid further "misunderstanding" and/or any confusion about this case/lawsuit, let me tell you a little about it. It's my personal opinion that only parts and pieces of the settlement agreement were released publicly ( intentionally ) in order to create confusion among the community & in the marketplace, which is exactly what has happened in order to tarnish the reputation of my company in the marketplace and in the industry.

I have seen these comments floating around the internet about a lawsuit between WSI and DMS. You guys have seen the same posts that I have. I have not really came out and talked about it publicly because I'm very restricted on time which is the same reason that I have not had a chance to visit here more often, & quite frankly, I did not think that it was that big of a deal. Things like this happen all the time behind the closed doors and behind the scenes in many businesses and different industries & no one ever hears of them.

From what has been released, (not by WS International) and what has been posted on many forums and talked about, it sounds as if DMS sued WSI and that there was a huge judgement against WSI for { "infringing on DMS International trademarks" (Source: fridge) }. This is absolutely false.

WS International as Plaintiff filed a lawsuit against DMS International as Defendant on 12/7/2010 at 2:30PM in the United States District Court, Central District of California. Case#: 2:10-cv-09374-GHK -SS. . This lawsuit was filed by WS International against DMS International for DMS infringing on the trademark of WS International by using the model# SG6000 on a very similar looking motor that they started selling in January of 2009, after WSI had already introduced the SG6000 model# for its motor in the market around July of 2008 and started to receive extremely high and positive reviews from customers and from forum members alike.

Ten days after the lawsuit was filed, DMS filed for an injunction against WSI to stop using the model numbers that begin with the letters D, M, & X stating that the combination of those letters used together sounds similar to the name DMS and that it's confusing customers into thinking that they are purchasing a DMS International LNBF instead of WS International LNBFs. Even though DMS is a company name & DMX was part of a model number.

DMX was NOT and currently is NOT a trademark of DMS International, therefore while using that prefix, WS International was not infringing on any company's trademark.

WS International lawsuit against DMS for infringing on WS International trademark > http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/...si-international-llc-v-tlh-inc-et-al/summary/
DMS International Injunction complaint against WS International > http://www.cobbsuperiorcourtclerk.org/scripts/courtscv.dll/CivilDetail?caseno=10112261

I had been in the process of testing new LNBFs to introduce a new line of LNBFs with new model numbers starting with ESX anyway since it had been several years since we had last introduced a new LNBF to the market. In January of 2011, we reached and signed a settlement agreement for the lawsuits. I went ahead and stopped using DMX which I was going to anyway since my new ESX LNBFs had already reached my warehouse so it was not a problem for me drop the old model numbers. I introduced the new line within weeks, if not days after we signed the agreement. If anyone is in the import & distribution business, you know that from the time you start production (not even considering the time for development, tests, & modifications) until the time the product arrives in your warehouse for release and distribution, it takes a MINIMUM of 6-8 weeks specially if you are producing overseas. Therefore, you can see that the new model numbers and new LNBFs were in the pipelines for some time before this agreement was even reached.

So there. You have it. Doesn't it amaze you how things get twisted around so much?

An incredibly class-less, not so credible and not so professional "discussion forum" (& I say that because you can see it from the language that is used on the forum & the graphics used do not make it a very classy place) out there continues to say WSI makes knock off or clones LNBFs, etc.... I think you guys know who I'm talking about as I'm sure you've seen it. I have raised this question before, and a long time ago, it was also discussed on a couple of threads on this forum (here): Isn't the point of knocking off or cloning a product to take advantage of the brand name and the actual model number that is already popular? Then how can WSI LNBFs be a clone, copy, or knock-off when each has its own WSI model number, with my own brand name, and my company logo on every box & every product which is different than anyone elses LNB or LNBF that has their own unique model number, brand name, and company logo? I guess some people just cannot think for themselves and believe every bogus "marketing" propeganda they are fed and run with it. You tell them the sky is yellow and they'll start announcing it all over the place without using what little they have for a brain not realizing that their credibility, knowledge, education, & reputation is in question. Because after all, not all people "fall" for everything they are told. I guess some people like being played. If this was the case, then Coke can sit there and say Pepsi is a knock-off of Coke. Or Toyota can say that the Honda Accord is a "copy", "knock-off", or clone of the Camry. The first time the word knock-off started to be used in our industry was when all the hacking came out years ago and people were selling receivers. Do you remember?

I'm going to stop here. I think everyone here understands my point. I believe that it's always better to tell the truth, be honest, and deal with the negative outcome, if any, than to mislead. Because sooner or later somewhere along the way, somehow the truth will come out and everyone will loose trust in you. Your reputation is something that no one and no amount of money can buy.

Anyway, I just wanted to fill you guys in on the truth so you know. I don't need to tell you guys this, you already know it. You are a member of an extremely superb, reputable, credible discussion forum with educated members who know and discuss a wide variety of products and topics. Be proud of it and enjoy it. This is where you belong.

G-d bless every single one of you guys and G-d bless this forum. Thank you for reading what I had to say.
M
Dang! I bought a spare 741 when they being sold out. Just installed it and it's DOA. Should have checked it when I got it instead of putting it on the shelf. I can't believe it, both LNBs are bad. Oh well! you live and learn.
truckracer
Dang! I bought a spare 741 when they being sold out. Just installed it and it's DOA. Should have checked it when I got it instead of putting it on the shelf. I can't believe it, both LNBs are bad. Oh well! you live and learn.

Mine is great. You just got a dud.
Anole
Dang! I bought a spare 741 when they being sold out.
Just installed it and it's DOA.
Why don't you open a new thread on it?
I don't want to post my thoughts here in Truckracers thread. :)
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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White Noise - Jessie Baylin
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cpdretired
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
ewindowman
Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.
Almighty1
Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.
Never had time to use the Hopper 3 account app yet. I also have a Hopper Plus so it's not the same as the Hopper 3 standalone. Will try it when I have more time, need to beat the taxes extension filing deadline first as I am still working on entering the data into the tax software.
Almighty1
This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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EarDemon
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.
WhiteBeard
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything. ☹️
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EarDemon
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything. ☹️
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
EarDemon
I have no OEM bloat, on CTO devices where I can access the drive, I order it with the smallest allowed drive and crack the device open throw the factory drive in the garbage and put in my own WD Black and install Windows from bootable media. For Windows bloat, I install Windows using the English - World option which limits preinstalled MS bloat.

Windows and Office features I wish to block, like CoPilot and Cortana, macro enabled Office files and others are blocked with GPOs.

Between keeping all software up to date, doing firmware updates, putting IoT devices on a separate VLAN, running Symantec Endpoint (say what you want about it, it's been good to me) and practicing safe hex, I'm vigilant but not paranoid about security.

With NVMe SSDs, my cold boot up time on all devices is under 30 secs as well. Fast boot disabled, BitLocker drive encryption enabled.

I have nothing against Linux, been paying with it on and off since 2004ish, it's just not the right solution for me.
HipKat
it's just not the right solution for me.
As I said above, and, FWIW, I run Win11 Pro and Arch on separate 250 GB NVME drives, using F8 to select which I boot to, with a 1TB SSD for storage, accessible to both OSs and a third formatted Nvme I want to use to learn Kali. It was much faster to setup Arch than it was to strip down Windows. Windows still takes much longer to boot.

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harshness
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI? By many accounts, it has been going downhill since Windows 7.

There are Linux desktops that offer Windows or Mac UIs, yet you don't hear much chatter about them outside of questions about when the creators might get sued.
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What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?
Because it's what I prefer. I know I've said this a few times, I use Open Shell to give me the cascading start menu a la WIN 95 and NT4.0. The only reason I went from Windows Vista to 7 back in the day was because of Classic Shell. I cannot stand anything other than the OG start menu from 30+ years ago. I'm using ExplorerPatcher to give me Windows 10 UI elements of the taskbar and right click context menus.

If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.
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EarDemon
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.
harshness
Because it's what I prefer.
I hope you don't believe that makes it wonderful (especially when you're using workarounds for Microsoft's malfeasance).

I use LibreOffice as opposed to Microsoft office (even in Windows) because it's UI is like the Office of old, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is (in a manner of speaking). The ribbon was one of the worst ideas to come out Redmond.
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
Foxbat
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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zipping right along here
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
Foxbat
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks
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jannah
All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return. 🙂
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All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return. 🙂
i bought mine straight from dish as it was only $ 100.00 bucks!!! had the protection plan they came out removed and deactivated the 4k joey and activated and installed the joey 4.
zcrayfish
Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.
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I don't know if things are different with Dish but when I first rejoined DirecTV a few years ago Solid Signal was able to create my account and activate the equipment I got from them on a self-install without a truck roll.
S
Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.
1-800-333-3474. billing or tech support should be able to do it!!!
S
Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks
just call dish and iggy the number from solid signal!!
Foxbat
Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
Foxbat
The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
jamieh1
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum
The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.
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K
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.
b4pjoe
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.
But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.
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It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.
How soon will it be available on Apple TV? Thanks
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
AZ.
AZ.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
Jimbo
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
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Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
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Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.
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IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?