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Hi,

My dad bought a new Samsung 46in 'smart' TV about a month ago.

I helped him set it up as he's not exceptionally tech savvy with things that don't have vacuum tubes.

So the very, very first thing I did after connecting it to power and his outside aerial, was to do a channel scan. My dad has a large antenna that's about 24 feet in the air and it's on a rotor.
In the days before everything went digital my folks used to watch Houston channels all the time. His house is about 100 miles east of Houston. After the digital switch over they lost Houston completely. From what I understand the digital transmitters are much weaker than the old analog ones.

Also they would watch channels from Lake Charles, Louisiana which is 50 miles to the east. The tower is about 20 miles east of Lake Charles so it's about a 70 mile jump.

Anyway, on the old TV they had no problem with getting KPLC 7.1 and 7.2 from Lake Charles.

And when I did the initial channel scan the new TV found the channels and added them to the list and they came in great. That night my dad watched TV and everything was fine.

The next day I went back and set up the internet stuff. It has WIFI built into it for the so called 'smart' features. I whitelisted the TV on his WIFI then it connected up and downloaded updates and stuff which took awhile.

I checked a few of it's apps and I found them to be slow, sluggish and clunky. It also was lacking in a lot of options. I was not impressed.

So after that I told my dad to forget about the extra junk and just use it like a normal TV like he always did with the old TV.

A few days later I talked to him and he tells me that the TV was now missing the KPLC channels.
We thought maybe it was the weather which was a little rainy here and there but I didn't think it was enough to knock out the channels like that.

I told him to give it a few days for the weather to get better and try again.

Still nothing. So I helped him on the phone do a new channel scan. Nothing. Now it wouldn't see KPLC at all. He was annoyed but it wasn't the end of the world.

So a few weeks passed and he was watching other channels but not KPLC anymore.
Today he came and picked me up to go with him on some errands and we were talking about the TV again. So I pulled out my phone and I saw some people mentioning that Samsung TV's are under the Big Brother thumb of Samsung and possibly the FCC and corporate profiteers. Another term came to mind. DMA.

So after we ran errands we went by my dad's house and I disabled the internet features completely.
I did a manual configuration of the WIFI addresses and I put 127.0.0.1 in on EVERYTHING.
Now it can not connect to anything. It couldn't even connect to a neighbor's WIFI in a move of desperation.

After I disabled the internet I did a new scan for OTA channels and BOOM! KPLC was magically back again!

So what I realized is that the TV was using my dad's IP address to determine it's physical address/location and 'phoned home' with that information. I'm sure it also sent a list of channels it found along with it's geolocation info and someone at Samsung (actually an automated system) told it that KPLC is not allowed in my dad's area because it's in another state and outside of his DMA and thus blacklisted the channels.

After crippling the TV it couldn't figure out where it is and thus can not blacklist channels.

In my opinion this is a cr*p thing for them to do, they have no legal right to restrict you from watching an OTA channel that you can pick up with your own personal and legal aerial.

My dad did not agree to these restrictions and never would agree to them. Nothing at all was ever mentioned on the box or in the manual or any other paperwork that such a thing would ever come to pass.

And now the only way to watch the channels he's legally entitled to watch, he has to cripple the snot out of the TV so that ALL of it's 'smart' features no longer work.

Certainly this can't be legal for them to do this. Right?
Does anyone know of a way to disable this geographic channel blocking mal-feature without having to cripple the entire TV?

Thanks..
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Hi,

My dad bought a new Samsung 46in 'smart' TV about a month ago.

I helped him set it up as he's not exceptionally tech savvy with things that don't have vacuum tubes.

So the very, very first thing I did after connecting it to power and his outside aerial, was to do a channel scan. My dad has a large antenna that's about 24 feet in the air and it's on a rotor.
In the days before everything went digital my folks used to watch Houston channels all the time. His house is about 100 miles east of Houston. After the digital switch over they lost Houston completely. From what I understand the digital transmitters are much weaker than the old analog ones.

Also they would watch channels from Lake Charles, Louisiana which is 50 miles to the east. The tower is about 20 miles east of Lake Charles so it's about a 70 mile jump.

Anyway, on the old TV they had no problem with getting KPLC 7.1 and 7.2 from Lake Charles.

And when I did the initial channel scan the new TV found the channels and added them to the list and they came in great. That night my dad watched TV and everything was fine.

The next day I went back and set up the internet stuff. It has WIFI built into it for the so called 'smart' features. I whitelisted the TV on his WIFI then it connected up and downloaded updates and stuff which took awhile.

I checked a few of it's apps and I found them to be slow, sluggish and clunky. It also was lacking in a lot of options. I was not impressed.

So after that I told my dad to forget about the extra junk and just use it like a normal TV like he always did with the old TV.

A few days later I talked to him and he tells me that the TV was now missing the KPLC channels.
We thought maybe it was the weather which was a little rainy here and there but I didn't think it was enough to knock out the channels like that.

I told him to give it a few days for the weather to get better and try again.

Still nothing. So I helped him on the phone do a new channel scan. Nothing. Now it wouldn't see KPLC at all. He was annoyed but it wasn't the end of the world.

So a few weeks passed and he was watching other channels but not KPLC anymore.
Today he came and picked me up to go with him on some errands and we were talking about the TV again. So I pulled out my phone and I saw some people mentioning that Samsung TV's are under the Big Brother thumb of Samsung and possibly the FCC and corporate profiteers. Another term came to mind. DMA.

So after we ran errands we went by my dad's house and I disabled the internet features completely.
I did a manual configuration of the WIFI addresses and I put 127.0.0.1 in on EVERYTHING.
Now it can not connect to anything. It couldn't even connect to a neighbor's WIFI in a move of desperation.

After I disabled the internet I did a new scan for OTA channels and BOOM! KPLC was magically back again!

So what I realized is that the TV was using my dad's IP address to determine it's physical address/location and 'phoned home' with that information. I'm sure it also sent a list of channels it found along with it's geolocation info and someone at Samsung (actually an automated system) told it that KPLC is not allowed in my dad's area because it's in another state and outside of his DMA and thus blacklisted the channels.

After crippling the TV it couldn't figure out where it is and thus can not blacklist channels.

In my opinion this is a cr*p thing for them to do, they have no legal right to restrict you from watching an OTA channel that you can pick up with your own personal and legal aerial.

My dad did not agree to these restrictions and never would agree to them. Nothing at all was ever mentioned on the box or in the manual or any other paperwork that such a thing would ever come to pass.

And now the only way to watch the channels he's legally entitled to watch, he has to cripple the snot out of the TV so that ALL of it's 'smart' features no longer work.

Certainly this can't be legal for them to do this. Right?
Does anyone know of a way to disable this geographic channel blocking mal-feature without having to cripple the entire TV?

Thanks..
M
I'm thinking you maybe right, we just purchased a new 65" Samsung 4K Smart TV and after setting it all up and scanning for channels, none of the our local oeta channels we were previously able to get on our old Samsung TV (approx. 3-4 yrs old) were NOT the list of channels? Yes, we have an HDTV antenna hooked up to the new TV and it worked great on the old Samsung TV. We have tried multiple times to scan again and chose both options air and cable (even though we have no cable, thought it might worth a shot) but still only the same 11 channels.

We aren't sure what to do but enjoy our local OETA news and shows and can't see why Samsung would want to block any of our local channels here in OK?
FYI we are regretting purchasing a new smart tv, ya they have a lot of options but the remote is not user friendly and your searching all over it trying to find where you want to be...too much can sometimes be just too much.
arlo
Wow that's some good interesting reading.
I'd register in the Samsung support forum and ask these questions.....but granulate them.
For what reason would any modern TV not be able to get the same channels that one a few years old will?
And if a tuner like an HDHomerun can get those channels no problem, why would your TV not?
Both are connected to the Internet.

Of course most TV's that grab updates over the 'net...once firmware is "updated", can't be downgraded to previous versions.
I know my Sony smart TV went through several firmware updates. And tons of owners griped on their forum. So many that they created a new one. Wondering why?

In the interim. You could return the tv if it's not too late. I notice that Wifi is never as good as an RJ connection.
And perhaps divorcing the TV from the 'net and getting something like an Amazon product would be a wise solution.
I know your dad is much like mine was. It was difficult to teach him how to switch inputs to watch DVD's.
Thank the lord for CEC. One button presses and a cheat cheat for the old gent!

I'm a bit confused of your mentioning using loopback (127.0.0.1) for EVERYTHING?? What up with that, and why?
And what is "everything"??
And also. W/O me doing a ton of searching is there a concept, law, reasoning, sushi and saki inspired reasoning of nuking local OTA channels when connected to the 'net? That blows me away.
harshness
If the TV is a "dumb" model, it may not support AVC compression that may be required in some cases.
907TECH
Digital transmitters are not much weaker than analog, some are 1,000,000 watts. In fact digital transmission is about 30% more efficient than analog. There is quite a difference in sensitivity between various TV's, outboard tuners and receivers. And no, there is no geographic blocking going on with OTA. By definition if you are receiving a station OTA, you are in the service area. Since the transition from analog, many stations switched bands to UHF mostly, many of the older antenna did not have UHF, many did. Here is a guess, the old antenna may have a problem or does not have good UHF coverage, and when you turn on Wifi, RF interference is taking the OTA out. It's not big brother a lot of wild assumptions being made. Edit, I didn't see how old the original post was.
Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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jsmit86
Regarding the no sound bug when watching 4K HDR events or DVR recordings with Dolby set to ON:
I got rolled back to H708 last night after getting an email from the support team. It fixed the bug.

The email indicated that they believed they found the issue, and if the fix works, they would roll it out via an update in the coming weeks.

So... we should see that bug exterminated in the near future.
long_time_Dish
148-04 says the NASCAR race on at noon on Sunday. Be interesting to see if it is.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.
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Bobby
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.
As an edit, you need to sub to the National Action Pack at $12 a month to receive those channels.
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Foxbat
Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
I've saved a boatload of money!
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
Foxbat
The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only stick I with the Apple tv's is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is not worth sticking with it. Later, Apple!
Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
​
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
​
Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
​
Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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K
Now testing on the stream server:
WJBF-D2 CW Augusta GA
KSVI-D2 CW Billings MT
WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
K
PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.
D
Weekly Analysis for 10/14/2026:
K
NBA League Pass prep

Some more reshuffles
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The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.
They finally announced ClipperVision, it will be on DIRECTV, but they didn't provide a channel number yet.

EDIT: It's going to be on channel 693
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WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
These are now live on stream and weren't testing on satellite as of yesterday:
WETM-DT/19 CW Elmira
WJET-DT/25 CW Erie
KLFY-DT/11 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 CW Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 CW Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 CW Utica
KFDX-DT/4 CW Wichita Falls
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The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.
West Palm Beach is getting it on WTCN-CD/43 MNT. Still nothing for Fort Myers


Also, the Thunder's deal for KSBI/52 OKC and KQCW/19 Tulsa will be via a special cable and DIRECTV only feed of those stations. OTA viewers and Dish customers will be limited to 10 games.
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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dfergie
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
R
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
Will the OG Gibbs be on NCIS or will Tony be on NCIS Origins?
dfergie
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
R
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
I saw Gibbs walk into the door, but I did not see Tony.
Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Former member 208119
lovin my hopper 3 and my wireless joey i can roll the tv all over the house if i wanted to :oops: 🤔
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Former member 208119
Class action.
a hopper 3 with 6 firesticks and or if you wanna spend even more money apple tv's
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution - AC/DC
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Kiss - The Art Of Noise
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Beautiful Noise - Neil Diamond
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White Noise - Jessie Baylin
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White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
osu1991
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
This will be a SAD DAY when this passes ....

They complained the last year that we had a bunch of Blow Outs in the Playoffs ... heres an idea, lets Double the amount of teams and hope for Closer games ... ya right.

This never should have went past 8 teams, 10 at the most.

Now, I have heard that play in games are being talked about, such as #13 plays #24 and so forth, to cut the field down (why cut it down, just don't expand it.)
I'm not sure exactly how thats going to work out or if it was just someone talking.

They were also talking about starting the Season earlier ...

I really don't like the National Championship game being the end of January ... if the Semi Finals are over New Years, thats fine with the Championship game the next week.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...