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Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Q1 PROMOTIONS

· NEW-Digital Home Advantage: TV for the Whole House! Our Digital Home Plan has been revamped and renamed. The new promotion is the Digital Home Advantage (DHA). This new promotion offers customers an easy, affordable, complete home solution. There is no equipment to buy, NO COMMITMENT and FREE Standard Professional Installation on up to four TVs! Also, we have lowered the DHA credit score to match the requirement for Free DISH! The customer pays a $49.99 Activation Fee and must provide a valid major credit card and SSN. Participation in DHA is subject to credit approval and customers must agree to purchase a minimum of America's Top 60 or DISH Latino for the length of their service period. All customers who qualify will receive a $49.99 credit on their first billing statement. With a $49.99 Activation Fee, minimum programming purchase and credit approval, customers can also qualify for DHA in the following scenarios:
o Customers who only provide the last four digits of their valid SSN must pay a non-refundable $49.99 Account Set-up Fee.
o Customers without a valid major credit card may be able to participate in DHA by paying a Deposit to DISH Network (returned within 30 days of disconnect).
o Customers who provide the last four digits of their valid SSN and do not provide a valid major credit card must pay a non-refundable $49.99 Account Set-up Fee and a $200 Deposit to DISH Network.
Keep in mind that customers can also use their Tax ID # or Immigration and Naturalization Service Number. Basic programming starts at America's Top 60 for $29.99 per month, America's Top 120 for $39.99 per month or America's Top 180 for $49.99 per month. Please note that these prices include locals (where available) and the equipment fee for the 1st receiver. The following receivers are eligible in the DHA promotion as the primary receiver: (New or reconditioned units) 322, 311, 111, 522, 510 and 811s. Keep in mind, there is a limit of:
o Four tuners
o Four receivers
o One DISH Player-DVR 522
o Two DISH 811s
· Monthly Fees:
o A $4.99 per month additional outlet programming access fee will be charged for each dual-tuner (DISH 322 or DISH Player-DVR 522) receiver. This fee will be waived monthly for each such receiver that is continuously connected to the customer's land-based phone line.
o A $4.98 monthly DISH Video-On-Demand Service fee will be charged on all DISH Player-DVR receivers. This fee will be waived monthly for each such receiver that is continuously activated with America's "Everything" Pak.
o Additionally, there is a $5 per month equipment fee for each additional receiver beyond the primary.
· DHA SuperDISH Equipment: The SuperDISH will be free of charge for customers in local markets in which it is required and with the purchase of International Programming Packages at $9.99 per month.
· DISH Home Protection Plan: As part of our Q1 Promotions, we would like to introduce the DISH Home Protection Plan as an optional premium warranty that is available to all new customers for $5.99 per month. The following items are included in the warranty:
o Complete parts and labor included on all DISH Network equipment
o Free advanced exchange receiver replacement and repair
o DVR and HD receiver service protection included
o 24/7 priority technical support
o Video cabling and power surge repairs to DISH Network equipment
o $29 discounted in-home service trip charge
o Free Movers Program (1 per year)
· Free DISH: Free DISH continues to be a strong promotion and will continue through 6/30/2004. Customers can get up to 3 standard receivers or 2 receivers including an HD receiver or a DVR receiver for free. Customers subscribing to a minimum of America's Top 60 or DISH Latino entertainment packages pay $49.99 upfront and get a $49.99 credit on their first month's bill. Valid major credit card, Social Security Number, credit score and minimum programming purchase are required. Please note that the Three Months Free offer ends 1/31/04.
· Free-For-All: This promotion is perfect for customers that do not have a credit card. No contracts; No commitment! The Free-For-All promotion will continue in its current form until 6/30/04. Customers can purchase a one-receiver system for $149 and get a $10 monthly credit for 15 months, or purchase a two-receiver system for $199 and get a $10 monthly credit for 20 months. Eligible programming to receive equipment credits includes America's Top 60 or DISH Latino and higher.

PROGRAMMING

· Programming Package Changes: As previously noted, you will begin to notice new branding on each of our basic programming packages. Effective February 1, 2004, we will begin offering America's Top 60, America's Top 120 and America's Top 180 programming packages.
· Pricing Changes: Due to rising programming costs, we will be changing the prices on some of our programming packages. These changes are a result of increased programming costs that are passed on to DISH Network. We have worked very hard to minimize the impact on our customers. The good news is that the average increase to America's Top Programming Packages is less than a buck which is less than the current rate of inflation! We are confident that DISH Network is the best value in TV with the highest quality programming at the lowest possible price. Our basic package of America's Top 60 will still be guaranteed at $24.99 a month until January 31, 2005. Those customers affected by the price increases will be receiving a letter from DISH Network by the end of the month. See below for the latest programming packages and prices:

Package Pricing (non-DHA) Monthly Cost
America's Top 60 $24.99
America's Top 60 including locals $29.99
America's Top 60 Plus $29.99
America's Top 60 Plus including locals $34.99
America's Top 120 $34.99
America's Top 120 including locals $39.99
America's Top 120 Value Pak $51.99
America's Top 120 Value Pak including locals $56.99
America's Top 180 $44.99
America's Top 180 including locals $49.99
America's Top 180 Value Pak $61.99
America's Top 180 Value Pak including locals $66.99
America's "Everything" Pak $77.99
America's "Everything" Pak including locals $82.99
DISH Latino $24.99
DISH Latino including locals $29.99
DISH Latino Dos $34.99
DISH Latino Dos including locals $39.99
DISH Latino Dos Value Pak $51.99
DISH Latino Dos Value Pak including locals $56.99
DISH Latino Max $44.99
DISH Latino Max including locals $49.99
DISH Latino Max Value Pak $61.99
DISH Latino Max Value Pak including locals $66.99


DHA Package Pricing Monthly Cost*
America's Top 60 $29.99
America's Top 60 Plus $34.99
America's Top 120 $39.99
America's Top 120 Value Pak $56.99
America's Top 180 $49.99
America's Top 180 Value Pak $66.99
America's "Everything" Pak $82.99
DISH Latino $29.99
DISH Latino Dos $39.99
DISH Latino Dos Value Pak $56.99
DISH Latino Max $49.99
DISH Latino Max Value Pak $66.99
*Digital Home Advantage pricing above includes locals (where available) and a $5 equipment fee
for the first receiver. Add monthly $5 equipment fee for each additional receiver.

· DISH Latino Packages: Great news! Over the past year, we've added 7 new channels to the DISH Latino packages, including Gol TV, Toon Disney, TeleFutura, Univision West, TeleHit, De Película and De Película Clásico. As of Feb. 1, 2004, some new and exciting changes will take place making the DISH Latino packages an even better value! We will be adding HITN and more popular channels to DISH Latino. The Fox or other Regional Sports Networks, as well as ESPN and much more, will be added to DISH Latino Dos. We also plan to add more channels to DISH Latino Max.
· Sports Pay-Per-View Half Season Packages: We're half way through the season for NHL, NBA and college basketball. This is a great time to take advantage of PPV's half season packages. To order, please call 1-800-333-DISH (3474).
o NHL CENTER ICE: Up to 40 out of market games per week for $109 or 3 payments of $36.33. Now Available!
o ESPN FULL COURT: Up to 30 out of market games per week for only $69. Now Available!
o NBA LEAGUE PASS: Up to 40 out of market games per week for $99 or 3 payments of $33. Available 1/21/04.
· Interactive Channel- Playin' TV: Tune into Interactive TV on Channel 100 for a Free Preview for first-time customers. Join all the action for $4.99 per month. When you subscribe for 12 months, you only pay for 11 months!
· Interactive Channel- BingoTV: We are excited to announce the arrival of BingoTV, a fun, new game channel available only to DISH Network subscribers starting February 4, 2004. BingoTV is available on Wednesday evenings from 9:00- 11:00 PM ET on Channel 104. Please note that BingoTV is not available in the following states: Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Michigan, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon and Texas.
· HD Programming Moving: We have 4 HD Channels that are moving to the 110 orbital location. We previously announced that these channels went into simulcast December 19, 2003, at both the current location and the 110 orbital location. Please note that in order to receive the HD programming at the 110 satellite location, customers must have a DISH 811, DISH Player-DVR 921, 6000U or a 6000 with the HD Enhanced Adapter.
o HD Event Channel: Effective January 14, 2003, the HD Event Channel can be found on channel 9466 at the 110 orbital position. This channel will no longer be available at the 61.5 or 148 orbital positions.
o HBO HD and Showtime HD: Effective February 11, 2004, HBO HD will be available on channel 9456 and Showtime HD will be available on channel 9460, both at the 110 orbital location. HBO HD and Showtime HD will no longer be available at the 61.5 or 148 orbital positions.
o HD Pay-Per-View: Effective February 11, 2004, HDPPV will be available on channel 9467 at the 110 orbital position. HDPPV will no longer be available at the 148 orbital positions.
· HD Programming NOT Moving: CBS HD East and CBS HD West will not be moving; they will remain at the 61.5 and 148 orbital locations. The HD Demo Channel will remain at 61.5 as well. Keep in mind that these HD channels require a second dish.
· Viacom/Turner Update: We have negotiated a multi-month extension with Turner Broadcasting which includes the following channels: Boomerang, CNN, CNNfn, Headline News, The Cartoon Network, Turner Classic Movies and Turner South. Customers can continue to enjoy the programming provided by Turner, without interruption. Our negotiations with Viacom continue and we will keep you posted with any new information.

LOCALS

· Additions to Existing Markets: We have several announcements regarding additions to existing local markets.
o Ft. Myers-Naples, FL (DISH 500): Effective December 20, 2003, we added FOX to the Ft. Myers-Naples, FL, locals lineup, making this market $5.99 per month.
o Honolulu, HI (DISH 500): Effective December 20, 2003, we added FOX to the Honolulu, HI, locals lineup, making this market $5.99 per month.
o Mobile, AL - Pensacola, FL (105 SuperDISH): Effective December 20, 2003, we added FOX and WB to the Mobile, AL- Pensacola, FL, locals lineup, making this market $5.99 per month.
o Savannah, GA (105 SuperDISH): Effective December 31, 2003, we added FOX to the Savannah, GA, locals lineup, making this market $5.99 per month.
o Evansville, IN (105 SuperDISH): Effective January 6, 2004, we added ABC to the Evansville, IN, locals lineup, making this market $5.99 per month.
· Target Market Launches: We have several cities due to launch between now and the end of the month, bringing our total number of local markets to 104!
o Traverse City-Cadillac, MI (121 SuperDISH): Effective January 29, 2004, we will launch Traverse City-Cadillac, MI, local programming including ABC, NBC, FOX and PBS. At this time, we have not reached an agreement with CBS; therefore, these channels will be available for $4.99 per month.
o Grand Junction, CO (148): Effective January 22, 2004, we will launch Grand Junction, CO, local programming including CBS, NBC, FOX and PBS. At this time, we have not reached an agreement with ABC; therefore, these channels will be available for $4.99 per month. Please note that a second dish is required to receive this local market package. We will reimburse for the 2nd dish install as long as the customer subscribes to locals.
o Johnstown-Altoona, PA (DISH 500): Effective January 29, 2004, we will launch Johnstown-Altoona, PA, local programming including ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX and PBS. These channels will be available for $5.99 per month.
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Stargazer
This is their way of trying to give a reason for a price increase when there really it isnt a reason, almost like misleading, only they didnt say this is why they increased the price, but it sure makes you think that when the programming name changes at the same time as a price increase.

I have more and more customers telling me they dont want this channel and that channel and they want another one put in place of it because of how high these packages are starting to get.

I know that Dish Network can put some of these channels in a package of their own, they just choose not to do so.
MikeD-C05
Don't forget next month they will add the B-I-N-G-O channel to go with the Reality channel they have all ready added along with some new shopping channels. Now doesn't that make you feel like you got your $3.00 worth in your AEP? :p
Stargazer
I hope they are not actually counting this as an actual channel, lol.
J
Stargazer said:
I hope they are not actually counting this as an actual channel, lol.
*I* am not. 2hrs of a 168hr week isn't enough. I also know of no intelegent person who counts barker channels. E* does need to count the PIs and shopping channels to get to the 60/120/180 marks.

AT60 = 72 channels including:
23 PIs (six require 61.5 or 148, nine require 110)
11 Shopping Channels (soon 13!, only four on 119)
Dish500 gives you 66 channels, Dish300 gives you 50!

Don't count the shopping channels and PIs and AT60 gives you 38 channels. To be fair, we should count the five major PIs and four major shopping channels. 47 channels.

JL
Stargazer
I am not going to count it as an actual channel either. What do they actually show on this channel when Bingo is not on? The Dish Barker channel?
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· posted in The Chit Chat Club
I've always been super interested in things space related so this is a pretty cool event coming up. Nov 18, 2026 early in the morning, Voyager 1 will reach the distance of one full light day from Earth. Took almost 50 yrs. I was 13 when it launched.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gjHK3clOwIw?feature=share
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· posted in General Home Theater Equipment
Hey everyone,
I got the all important spousal buy-in to get all my equipment back out for Sat, Terrestrial reception. The catch is that I can't add any more equipment to our main house and everything will stay in the out building ~250 feet from our house. My idea is to use the server I already have to encode the feeds from multiple sources into streams that I can then watch via plex in the main house. Has anyone done this or know of any decent turn key solutions?
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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV General Forum
The following is from Reddit. -
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/s/orzHBkmqQW


gemini.webp

There appears to be a new DIRECTV Gemini OTT box, the C81KW-650.

The FCC listing is partially available, and a Geekbench entry confirms it uses an Amlogic S905X5, a solid SoC for a set-top box.

I also see 4GB of RAM, and the manufacturer is SEI Robotics.

DIRECTV C81KW OTT Box - Android TV Guide

Ok found a picture of the Box too on Reddit:


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/comments/1twlex0/comment/opzeqi1/
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GRB1959
A new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming possibly becoming available in January of 2027? That would be welcome news.

I have been exploring leaving Dish DBS ever since a software update around Aug. 10, version H711 and now H712, is causing problems with IR signals and the Dish Hopper 3. As a result my Sofabaton X2 universal remote no longer works perfectly as it did prior to the H711 and H712 Dish Hopper 3 firmware updates.

I have been a little leary of the current hardware available for DirecTV streaming as the Gemini Ospry box fits my needs, however they are getting a little long in the tooth and finding the 4GB RAM (SKU: 60233) Osprey box complete with remote and power cable is somewhat challenging. I see that the 2GB RAM Osprey boxes (SKU: 60164) can be found on Ebay and at Walmart online used, however a 4GB Osprey box is preferred.

Now I wonder if I should just wait it out until the new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming becomes available. I want a box with an Ethernet port and the Gemini Air is WiFi only. If the new Gemini box does become available in January of 2027 will it be lease only via DirecTV or will we be allowed to purchase them?
S
A new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming possibly becoming available in January of 2027? That would be welcome news.

I have been exploring leaving Dish DBS ever since a software update around Aug. 10, version H711 and now H712, is causing problems with IR signals and the Dish Hopper 3. As a result my Sofabaton X2 universal remote no longer works perfectly as it did prior to the H711 and H712 Dish Hopper 3 firmware updates.

I have been a little leary of the current hardware available for DirecTV streaming as the Gemini Ospry box fits my needs, however they are getting a little long in the tooth and finding the 4GB RAM (SKU: 60233) Osprey box complete with remote and power cable is somewhat challenging. I see that the 2GB RAM Osprey boxes (SKU: 60164) can be found on Ebay and at Walmart online used, however a 4GB Osprey box is preferred.

Now I wonder if I should just wait it out until the new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming becomes available. I want a box with an Ethernet port and the Gemini Air is WiFi only. If the new Gemini box does become available in January of 2027 will it be lease only via DirecTV or will we be allowed to purchase them?
there leased at 10.00 per box. unless you can find em at ebay or wally world where people have gotten em before. or you could get a roku apple tv firestick if you don't need the channel numbers
GRB1959
there leased at 10.00 per box. unless you can find em at ebay or wally world where people have gotten em before. or you could get a roku apple tv firestick if you don't need the channel numbers

I appreciate the reply. My wife will be using this as well so a numeric keypad to change channels that actually works is a must and I want it to have a hardwired Ethernet port so that leaves the Gemini box as my only real choice.
S
I appreciate the reply. My wife will be using this as well so a numeric keypad to change channels that actually works is a must and I want it to have a hardwired Ethernet port so that leaves the Gemini box as my only real choice.
oh and channel master did make a numeric keypad for the apple t.v. i don't know if they still do and if that would work with dtv channel numbers!
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K
The DTV app doesn't respond to channel number inputs on 3rd party devices.
S
The DTV app doesn't respond to channel number inputs on 3rd party devices.
This is good to know!!!
Tom Speer
PUBLIC INFORMATION SUMMARY: DIRECTV's New Streaming‑Only Device (Model C81KW‑650)

I asked ChatGPT to summarize what is publicly known about DirecTV's new Streaming box. Here is what it said:

DIRECTV has a new streaming‑only device undergoing testing, publicly identified as model C81KW‑650.FCC filings and Reddit posts show it uses an Amlogic S905X5 chipset with 4 GB RAM, 64 GB storage, Wi‑Fi 6, Ethernet, and support for modern codecs including AV1 and H.266.It runs Android TV 14 and is manufactured by SEI Robotics.

Performance is significantly improved over the Osprey‑based Gemini and Gemini Air, with a faster CPU, stronger GPU, double the RAM, modern codec support, and better connectivity.

The FCC lists it as an OTT device, and all public information indicates it is intended for streaming service only.No official release date has been announced.

Making it also function as a Genie client would only be a matter of software, but that would not be able to use all the advanced codecs built into this device. That is clearly not a near term priority for DirecTV, if they ever do it at all.
T
Last reply · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion
Howdy folks long time no write.

Issue(s): Horizontal transponders (esp. Weigel mux) breakup/mosaic/sputtering audio, JTV less so (but received perfectly up until a month or so ago.
Vertical is fine (Daystar). Up until recently couldn't even get any signal on Weigel Mux but JTV was perfect.

What I did to improve things: A slight westward move improved reception but only slightly (approx 72 on the micro HD, sorry no dB to post). I removed the 3-way C-Band splitter and used a 2-way to get a 1-2 db signal gain ( the power port goes to the Startrak - the micro HD doesn't have enough juice ! (1st clue) even after swapping the switching power supply it came with with a heftier linear 12 V supply (less RFI too !).
I have had issues with the uHD before signal breaking up that a reboot would clear up (clue #2 = dying tuner?) - FYI, I reinforced the IF input and removed all flux from the pcb completely with a Flux Removal Pen (MG Chemicals Cat No. 4140-P) which definitely makes a huge difference.

I went outside and pushed and pulled reflector slightly and no improvement. Pole (actually tower in yard - the neighbours love me..NOT) is plumb, checked with carpenters level. Dish was last peaked in 2017 or so, after overhauling 24" Von Weise, new Acme, fresh grease, etc. Focal length, f/d ratio etc meticulously adjusted. One panel has a tear so planning to repair that this weekend when my cousin comes over ( to help me out (old guy here) forecast calls for sunshine.

What has changed: My utility company has installed new high tension line poles (one smack dab in the middle of 101°W target! But they put it in last year and reception (of JTV (HOR) at least) was fine, BUT when they came out to transfer the wires over this year from the old (sawed in half) pole that's about when the troubles started (coincidence?), but again Daystar (VER) was fine. I always had this pole in the light of sight of 101° before with no issues. (fyi my zenith sat 74° is unobstucted, but can't test)

In the meantime Weigel mux is trying to break in MOSTLY in LATE at night (less cell usage?) (audio not video except for a frame here or there) so don't know what has changed with this mux which suddenly "woke up". I have never had to fuss with dish moves on this satellite ( the slightest move +/- motor clicks loses lock, wheres normally on C-band I can go significantly wider east or west and still have a strong signal ( have these gone "spot beam" or narrower somehow and what is the slight difference in Az listed on Lyngsat to 100.9° affect things ( isn't that the declination i.e. requiring a tweak of declination?).

Long story short (too late, ha), if I had another DVB-S2 box to try and / or a newer more stable PLL lnb ( I have been meaning to upgrade many a time but never got arround to it) I could determine if it's my antiquated receiving equipment, or my dish/feed alignment ( doubtful as it tracks everything from 55 °W to 133 ° W nicely.) or the dreaded 5G! (BUT only on HOR and not VER?).
I read another post where the OP (with his smaller 7.5 footer) played around with the illumination to peak desired transponder and reduce qrm on interfering/ stronger xpndrs (even on 103° W). So will play with that too - and cut away the RG-6 a and pull up a fresh section with new PPC and coax Seal. Open the throat cap see if any cobwebs are there and check servo operation (also changed in last maintence 10 years ago).

Finally, this will probably be the last chance I get to play with the BUD from the looks of it (providers leaving, auctioning off rest of spectrum imminent above 4.0 Ghz, and to keep the peace with neighbours so it would be nice to have that mux back for the long, cold and dark winters to comfort this old man before I call it quits and buy a VHF/UHF/FM Yagi and get MeTV, H&I from my Vermont local stations (checked at a friends today and they come in nicely - except ABC) .
Only one guy in town (Montreal) I may be able to get a receiver or PLL lnb from to try (RPS Sat) so hopefully with elimnate that as a possible culprit. Be nice to pick up a cheap or used PLL lnb to try w/o 5G BPF (money is tight )

Like others I couldn't care less about "tv" (well maybe just a liitle or a lot) it's the challenge that excites me , I can get MeTV other ways OTA (no pirate crap).

So what do you guys (and gals) think ?. p.s. I don't have a spectrum analyzer and there are def/ cell towers nearby (half a Km or so away).
Oh and time permitting will hammer out dings too and wire damaged mesh on one section for an extra dB or two. Hesitate to touch Declination, Elevation and pole mount but will play around with those a little too... Why is this mux for finicky suddenly ?(8psk, 5/6 fec, beamwidthetc.. man wish they went back to VER I think everthing would be fine! For the engineers out here does 5G QRM affect one poliarization (HOR) more than another (VER)? I understand the strong interference swamps out the input mixer/local oscilator in the hapless old C-band lnb (I think it at time affect KU too esp. LPB on 101°W KU - incidentally thos were weak or "gone' but are back almost at the time MeTV improved..hmm Terrestrial interference?

Any thoughts or suggestions ( cheap or free solutions please) greatly appreciated. Cheers.

p.p.s. Micro HD can't display Decades and Toons but records them fine so I can watch on another box/media player (Ali chip set issue). Another reason to upgrade.

Anybody interested in a nice C/KU system free ? (for next Spring/Summer 2027)

[Sami 10' mesh, Corotor II+, Eagle Aspen (very old) C-band lnb, Norsat Ku lnb, Channel Master C/Ku (H/V) switch, Startrak 400 Analog receiver w/ motor control, Geosat uHD DVD-S2, CW600S for Mpeg-2]
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B
Howdy folks long time no write.

Issue(s): Horizontal transponders (esp. Weigel mux) breakup/mosaic/sputtering audio, JTV less so (but received perfectly up until a month or so ago.
Vertical is fine (Daystar). Up until recently couldn't even get any signal on Weigel Mux but JTV was perfect.

What I did to improve things: A slight westward move improved reception but only slightly (approx 72 on the micro HD, sorry no dB to post). I removed the 3-way C-Band splitter and used a 2-way to get a 1-2 db signal gain ( the power port goes to the Startrak - the micro HD doesn't have enough juice ! (1st clue) even after swapping the switching power supply it came with with a heftier linear 12 V supply (less RFI too !).
I have had issues with the uHD before signal breaking up that a reboot would clear up (clue #2 = dying tuner?) - FYI, I reinforced the IF input and removed all flux from the pcb completely with a Flux Removal Pen (MG Chemicals Cat No. 4140-P) which definitely makes a huge difference.

I went outside and pushed and pulled reflector slightly and no improvement. Pole (actually tower in yard - the neighbours love me..NOT) is plumb, checked with carpenters level. Dish was last peaked in 2017 or so, after overhauling 24" Von Weise, new Acme, fresh grease, etc. Focal length, f/d ratio etc meticulously adjusted. One panel has a tear so planning to repair that this weekend when my cousin comes over ( to help me out (old guy here) forecast calls for sunshine.

What has changed: My utility company has installed new high tension line poles (one smack dab in the middle of 101°W target! But they put it in last year and reception (of JTV (HOR) at least) was fine, BUT when they came out to transfer the wires over this year from the old (sawed in half) pole that's about when the troubles started (coincidence?), but again Daystar (VER) was fine. I always had this pole in the light of sight of 101° before with no issues. (fyi my zenith sat 74° is unobstucted, but can't test)

In the meantime Weigel mux is trying to break in MOSTLY in LATE at night (less cell usage?) (audio not video except for a frame here or there) so don't know what has changed with this mux which suddenly "woke up". I have never had to fuss with dish moves on this satellite ( the slightest move +/- motor clicks loses lock, wheres normally on C-band I can go significantly wider east or west and still have a strong signal ( have these gone "spot beam" or narrower somehow and what is the slight difference in Az listed on Lyngsat to 100.9° affect things ( isn't that the declination i.e. requiring a tweak of declination?).

Long story short (too late, ha), if I had another DVB-S2 box to try and / or a newer more stable PLL lnb ( I have been meaning to upgrade many a time but never got arround to it) I could determine if it's my antiquated receiving equipment, or my dish/feed alignment ( doubtful as it tracks everything from 55 °W to 133 ° W nicely.) or the dreaded 5G! (BUT only on HOR and not VER?).
I read another post where the OP (with his smaller 7.5 footer) played around with the illumination to peak desired transponder and reduce qrm on interfering/ stronger xpndrs (even on 103° W). So will play with that too - and cut away the RG-6 a and pull up a fresh section with new PPC and coax Seal. Open the throat cap see if any cobwebs are there and check servo operation (also changed in last maintence 10 years ago).

Finally, this will probably be the last chance I get to play with the BUD from the looks of it (providers leaving, auctioning off rest of spectrum imminent above 4.0 Ghz, and to keep the peace with neighbours so it would be nice to have that mux back for the long, cold and dark winters to comfort this old man before I call it quits and buy a VHF/UHF/FM Yagi and get MeTV, H&I from my Vermont local stations (checked at a friends today and they come in nicely - except ABC) .
Only one guy in town (Montreal) I may be able to get a receiver or PLL lnb from to try (RPS Sat) so hopefully with elimnate that as a possible culprit. Be nice to pick up a cheap or used PLL lnb to try w/o 5G BPF (money is tight )

Like others I couldn't care less about "tv" (well maybe just a liitle or a lot) it's the challenge that excites me , I can get MeTV other ways OTA (no pirate crap).

So what do you guys (and gals) think ?. p.s. I don't have a spectrum analyzer and there are def/ cell towers nearby (half a Km or so away).
Oh and time permitting will hammer out dings too and wire damaged mesh on one section for an extra dB or two. Hesitate to touch Declination, Elevation and pole mount but will play around with those a little too... Why is this mux for finicky suddenly ?(8psk, 5/6 fec, beamwidthetc.. man wish they went back to VER I think everthing would be fine! For the engineers out here does 5G QRM affect one poliarization (HOR) more than another (VER)? I understand the strong interference swamps out the input mixer/local oscilator in the hapless old C-band lnb (I think it at time affect KU too esp. LPB on 101°W KU - incidentally thos were weak or "gone' but are back almost at the time MeTV improved..hmm Terrestrial interference?

Any thoughts or suggestions ( cheap or free solutions please) greatly appreciated. Cheers.

p.p.s. Micro HD can't display Decades and Toons but records them fine so I can watch on another box/media player (Ali chip set issue). Another reason to upgrade.

Anybody interested in a nice C/KU system free ? (for next Spring/Summer 2027)

[Sami 10' mesh, Corotor II+, Eagle Aspen (very old) C-band lnb, Norsat Ku lnb, Channel Master C/Ku (H/V) switch, Startrak 400 Analog receiver w/ motor control, Geosat uHD DVD-S2, CW600S for Mpeg-2]
I had the EXACT same problem happen to me with 101w, MeTV mux (Weigel). Working great when about 3 weeks ago I started to get the pixelating, especially at night. Sometimes Jewelry TV would also do it, sometimes not. Tweaked my dish. I have a Titanium 240 feed with the 5G filter 4.0-4.2 band pass. Every other satellite is working fine. Something on their end for sure. Power reduction? My signal seems fine like always. Running a Winegard 8.5 ft dish using a GT Media UHD V8. I'm sure my receiver isn't maybe sensitive enough for lower signal levels. Frustrating here too. I'm in the Canton, Ohio area. Thanks!
arlo
To me it looks like all of the intelligent things to diagnose the problem 'on the cheap' are being done.
I have my own thoughts of lnbf's using an external filter between the feed and coax. It would be cool to see what Brian could add.
Do his units have the filter before the actual LNA chip in the circuit? In other words, signal is focused at the lnbf throat. The probes for h & v polarity send the signal to.......filtering......then to the lna IC......
Or probes, lna, then filtering. Makes sense to trap the bad stuff before amplification to me.

On the cheap sometimes leaves questions. Enosat and El Bandido both use dvb-s pci cards and TBS USB receivers.
With those, and software. Signal analysis becomes sort of easy. Or tapping into your coax with a dc pass splitter, decoupling capacitor, and using a spectrum analyzer. Tuning across the LO band. Finding signal spikes. Digging deep.

Still making my decision on a (most probably) TBS PCIe tuner card. But I have tapped into my coax with my ancient but quite impressive HP spectrum analyzer and tinysa.
I don't have 5G interference so far that I know of. But have my suspects because I'm only able to snag signal from 131W in the winter when the leaves drop. But out of curiosity do scan it in the fall. And seem to be getting a signal that 'shouldn't' be there and a scan shows no channels. Far as I got.

An idea pops up to rig up an LNBF on a stick. Along with the tinysa and power supply and do some rogue signal searches. War Driving, of sorts. But. I wouldn't think that a chinabox, firmware based receiver would be of much help.
From what I see scanning across the frequency band. 5G cell transmission is always on and is very wide spectrum.
Whether anyone is actually using talking, texting, watching stupid human tricks on YouTube Makes no difference. The RF is there. So why would a C Band setup come and go? And what if you dumped the corotor and went modern voltage controlled polarity?

Another thought. Since you've learned the optimal position to place the scalar to illuminate out to the dish rim. And peaked the feed. There's most of a roll of aluminum flashing out in my garage that would most definitely wrap around my dish perimeter. That and a bag of large binder clips from the office supply. wally world. Ideas?
B
To me it looks like all of the intelligent things to diagnose the problem 'on the cheap' are being done.
I have my own thoughts of lnbf's using an external filter between the feed and coax. It would be cool to see what Brian could add.
Do his units have the filter before the actual LNA chip in the circuit? In other words, signal is focused at the lnbf throat. The probes for h & v polarity send the signal to.......filtering......then to the lna IC......
Or probes, lna, then filtering. Makes sense to trap the bad stuff before amplification to me.

On the cheap sometimes leaves questions. Enosat and El Bandido both use dvb-s pci cards and TBS USB receivers.
With those, and software. Signal analysis becomes sort of easy. Or tapping into your coax with a dc pass splitter, decoupling capacitor, and using a spectrum analyzer. Tuning across the LO band. Finding signal spikes. Digging deep.

Still making my decision on a (most probably) TBS PCIe tuner card. But I have tapped into my coax with my ancient but quite impressive HP spectrum analyzer and tinysa.
I don't have 5G interference so far that I know of. But have my suspects because I'm only able to snag signal from 131W in the winter when the leaves drop. But out of curiosity do scan it in the fall. And seem to be getting a signal that 'shouldn't' be there and a scan shows no channels. Far as I got.

An idea pops up to rig up an LNBF on a stick. Along with the tinysa and power supply and do some rogue signal searches. War Driving, of sorts. But. I wouldn't think that a chinabox, firmware based receiver would be of much help.
From what I see scanning across the frequency band. 5G cell transmission is always on and is very wide spectrum.
Whether anyone is actually using talking, texting, watching stupid human tricks on YouTube Makes no difference. The RF is there. So why would a C Band setup come and go? And what if you dumped the corotor and went modern voltage controlled polarity?

Another thought. Since you've learned the optimal position to place the scalar to illuminate out to the dish rim. And peaked the feed. There's most of a roll of aluminum flashing out in my garage that would most definitely wrap around my dish perimeter. That and a bag of large binder clips from the office supply. wally world. Ideas?
I did some more investigating and found I got the MeTV mux in the early hours, until about 6am then the pixelating starts. Gets worse until around 8am its totally gone. I suspect my local cell tower is ramping up traffic as the morning goes on. My Titanium feed does a super job and most everything is clear that wasn't before but this mux is aggravating! I seem to just be over the signal threshold to work until the 5G total overwhelms my system. I'm using an old 9 foot spun aluminum dish and was wondering if I went to a 12 ft dish this would solve the problem? I know bigger is better in most satellite dish related signal problems. If this is true I will be searching for a bigger dish. I like your idea of flashing put around the dish perimeter. I have some I need to dig out and try before I start ripping out my dish. Anybody have any ideas if the bigger dish would do better? Any help would be appreciated!
S
I did some more investigating and found I got the MeTV mux in the early hours, until about 6am then the pixelating starts. Gets worse until around 8am its totally gone. I suspect my local cell tower is ramping up traffic as the morning goes on. My Titanium feed does a super job and most everything is clear that wasn't before but this mux is aggravating! I seem to just be over the signal threshold to work until the 5G total overwhelms my system. I'm using an old 9 foot spun aluminum dish and was wondering if I went to a 12 ft dish this would solve the problem? I know bigger is better in most satellite dish related signal problems. If this is true I will be searching for a bigger dish. I like your idea of flashing put around the dish perimeter. I have some I need to dig out and try before I start ripping out my dish. Anybody have any ideas if the bigger dish would do better? Any help would be appreciated!
8 1/2 Foot mesh here with the c140 lnbf and a verizon 5g tower nearby. Got no issue with the Metv transponder. Are you sure you have the lnbf setup correct? When I set my c140 up I noticed it was about 1/4 to 1/2 inch pushed in closer to the dish, sticking out of the scaler ring than my old lnbf was. Thought I may have trouble with that but my signal readings are higher than they had ever been.
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8 1/2 Foot mesh here with the c140 lnbf and a verizon 5g tower nearby. Got no issue with the Metv transponder. Are you sure you have the lnbf setup correct? When I set my c140 up I noticed it was about 1/4 to 1/2 inch pushed in closer to the dish, sticking out of the scaler ring than my old lnbf was. Thought I may have trouble with that but my signal readings are higher than they had ever been.
Thanks for the info. I'll do a detailed feed alignment this weekend. I have to be on a ladder to tweak this 101w satellite with the MeTV mux. Luckily I've got a V8 Finder so I'll put that to use. Funny, I got the MeTV mux fine this Friday morning. Jewelry TV was completely garbled though. I'm wondering if I'm having 2 degree spacing problems more than the cell tower affecting me. Seems strange some days I'm fine and others MeTV is completely destroyed. In the old days I could just move the dish to 99w and see what's there adjacent to MeTV. Maybe if I optimize my feed I can eliminate my problem either way. I have a 9 foot spun aluminum dish that may not have the best two degree isolation. Some of these were crudely made with a poor parabolic shape. I'll keep you posted and thanks to all for the advice!
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I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

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Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.
Hate to hear that. If you don't physically have something in your hand, you don't really own it.
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Hate to hear that. If you don't physically have something in your hand, you don't really own it.
Even a physical disc purchase is considered a license, just extremely harder to pull access vs digital.

But once new players are no longer sold and older players quit working, that takes care of the access to your library.

See LaserDiscs for one example of that happening.
ncted
Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

I am so done with Sony on so many levels. This is just one small piece of it.
Jimbo
I am so done with Sony on so many levels. This is just one small piece of it.
I Love my Sony equipment :)
dishstaller
just extremely harder to pull access vs digital.
And dangerous if you get my drift.
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I Love my Sony equipment :)

That's an odd name for it.
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And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Now that I'm retired, obviously I have different health care insurance. I take 2 prescriptions. With my old insurance I didn't have to pay for either of them, now I do. It's not a huge amount but it led me to dig a little into the cost of prescription medications. I have been using Walgreens for the longest time. But what I found was that Walgreens price is 4.8 times more for one of my prescriptions and the other is 2.3 percent more compared to the lowest price pharmacy. If you pay for prescription medications you might want to have a look at trumprx and see if you can get a lower price.


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I run them through several different providers to see who has the lowest cost

Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx

Also...


You can also price them through the CareCard and WellRx apps.

Sometimes Amazon Pharmacy is cheapest.
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Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx
I'm fortunate and don't take any medications. A couple years ago I had to take some antibiotics and used the GoodRx app. Went to Walmart and the person behind the desk knew me and told me to just buy them outright....the GoodRx price was a LOT higher. She said they aren't supposed to tell customers when they see they are being screwed.
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That's ok. I probably take enough for the two of us.

God knows what Bobby takes. Maybe so much they count as a meal?
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That's ok. I probably take enough for the two of us.

God knows what Bobby takes. Maybe so much they count as a meal?
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Actually I take just 2 prescriptions, Atorvastatin and Lisinopril. They cost me $6 each for 100 pills. Next year that will be nothing.
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Actually I take just 2 prescriptions, Atorvastatin and Lisinopril. They cost me $6 each for 100 pills. Next year that will be nothing.
Those are two of the three I take.
comfortably_numb
Went to Walmart and the person behind the desk knew me and told me to just buy them outright....the GoodRx price was a LOT higher

Walmart and Sam's pharmacies have "zero rated" prescriptions lists where generics are $4 (or less). If yours are on that list, then of course GoodRx isn't going to help. Also, GoodRx isn't always the cheapest discount program. For me, the cheapest is usually Mark Cuban's Cost Plus Drugs.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Find A Way To My Heart - Phil Collins
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Heart of Glass - Blondie
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Magazine - Heart
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Harden My HEART-Quarterflash
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My Heart Will Go On - Celine Dion