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Last reply Dec 29, 2014 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Are FoxNews and Dish Even Talking?

Title says it all.

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mitchflorida

Dec 28, 2014

No one is holding a gun to Charlie Ergen's head either. All he has to say is that Fox News isn't coming back and that will be the end of it. By the way, FXX had insanely high ratings when they put on The Simpsons Marathon. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/09/04/simpsons-marathon-ratings/

How many people think Charlie has the upper hand? How many people think 21st Century Fox does?

Lue

Dec 28, 2014

mitchflorida said:
No one is holding a gun to Charlie Ergen's head either. All he has to say is that Fox News isn't coming back and that will be the end of it. By the way, FXX had crazy high ratings when they put on The Simpsons Marathon. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/09/04/simpsons-marathon-ratings/

How many people think Charlie has the upper hand? How many people think 21st Century Fox does?

Fox has the upper hand. If Dish does not return Fox, I feel there will be a few million susbcriptions lost as well as a 50% loss in new subscribers. Fox knows this and will not retreat too far on their demands. It's not just about Fox news, it comes down to peoples values Liberal versus Conservative, Conservatives will leave in the millions with no fox news! Charlie has to lick Foxes boots.

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Deadlocked

Dec 28, 2014

Lue said:
Fox has the upper hand. If Dish does not return Fox, I feel there will be a few million susbcriptions lost as well as a 50% loss in new subscribers. Fox knows this and will not retreat too far on their demands. It's not just about Fox news, it comes down to peoples values Liberal versus Conservative, Conservatives will leave in the millions with no fox news! Charlie has to lick Foxes boots.

Faux News only has 2-3 million viewers...I doubt they all have Dish...

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Lue

Dec 29, 2014

There is no substitute for Fox news, the rabid viewers of Fox news have no other network news to turn to, With the CNN viewers they can always turn to HLN, MSNBC, ALJAZERA, RT, etc.. Fox news viewers will leave carriers that do not carry Fox news. Might be a hard lesson for Dish.

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ChadT41

Dec 29, 2014

Lue said:
There is no substitute for Fox news, the rabid viewers of Fox news have no other network news to turn to, With the CNN viewers they can always turn to HLN, MSNBC, ALJAZERA, RT, etc.. Fox news viewers will leave carriers that do not carry Fox news. Might be a hard lesson for Dish.

Foxnews.com. Even hughesNet will allow it. Can't stream, but can continue to get your 'fair and balanced' news.

Lue

Dec 29, 2014

ChadT41 said:
Foxnews.com. Even hughesNet will allow it. Can't stream, but can continue to get your 'fair and balanced' news.

Only live Fox news will satisfy your typical Fox news junky.

I don't think you can fully capture the value Fox News brings by looking at the Nielsen ratings alone," said Craig Moffett, the longtime financial analyst who specializes in cable. Mr. Moffett, who heads his own firm, said that the key to Fox News's continued financial strength has been "the level of passion and engagement" it inspires in its viewers.

That translates into big money because cable systems now pay Fox News one of the highest per-subscriber fees in television, 94 cents a month, topped in cable television only by a few networks, most of which have expensive sports rights to pay. (By comparison, CNN gets 57 cents a subscriber, according to SNL Kagan Research.) As Mr. Moffett put it, "There are a handful of networks consumers are deeply passionate about out of all proportion to Nielsen ratings, and distributors know if you don't have those networks, then woe be to you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/b...n-pays-for-fox-news.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&
Chad, what is your honest opinion as to who will be forced to cave in on this dispute? I do not look for Fox to concede very much, if any. Do you think Charlie will take one for the team?

dfergie

Dec 29, 2014

Now more than a week since their disconnect, there doesn't appear to be any immediate resolution in sight in the Dish Network-Fox News Channel stalemate.
On Sunday afternoon, officials at Fox News said there weren't any negotiations between the parties, and that viewers of the services were making their displeasure and intent to switch providers known via phone and social media.
Dish declined to comment on the situation on Sunday.

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Tampa8

Dec 29, 2014

Lue said:
Only live Fox news will satisfy your typical Fox news junky.

I don't think you can fully capture the value Fox News brings by looking at the Nielsen ratings alone," said Craig Moffett, the longtime financial analyst who specializes in cable. Mr. Moffett, who heads his own firm, said that the key to Fox News's continued financial strength has been "the level of passion and engagement" it inspires in its viewers.

That translates into big money because cable systems now pay Fox News one of the highest per-subscriber fees in television, 94 cents a month, topped in cable television only by a few networks, most of which have expensive sports rights to pay. (By comparison, CNN gets 57 cents a subscriber, according to SNL Kagan Research.) As Mr. Moffett put it, "There are a handful of networks consumers are deeply passionate about out of all proportion to Nielsen ratings, and distributors know if you don't have those networks, then woe be to you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/b...n-pays-for-fox-news.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&
Chad, what is your honest opinion as to who will be forced to cave in on this dispute? I do not look for Fox to concede very much, if any. Do you think Charlie will take one for the team?

The problem with your argument is that this isn't about the cost of Fox News, in fact from all accounts it isn't even about Fox News. I have 100% confidence if it was they would have had an agreement a very long time ago but it's about other channels and DISH already having a contract Fox wants to break. Just as with the NY RSN's DISH crunches the numbers and decides if paying a ransom is worth it, or let the kidnappers keep the product. (Unlike the NY RSN's this is a national channel and of course will be taken into account) I miss Fox News but I pay $180 soon $200 less with DISH than if I had Direct for virtually the same product. There's a limit to what or how many channels I will pay to not get but we're nowhere near that limit over these set of channels.

I happen to agree Fox News is a channel DISH has to pay more than it would like to keep and I have posted that in the past, as I did with CBS and TNT/TBS.

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empiretc

Dec 29, 2014

Deadlocked said:
Faux News only has 2-3 million viewers...I doubt they all have Dish...

that didn't take long.......

KaptainRandom

Dec 29, 2014

I don't usually watch FoxNews...
But when I do...
It's on The Daily Show...
Which has not been cut off...
Lol

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Yespage

Dec 29, 2014

Unfortunately, what is there to discuss between Dish and Fox if Fox insists on including channels that aren't even part of this contract with the discussions?

KaptainRandom said:
I don't usually watch FoxNews...
But when I do...
It's on The Daily Show...
Which has not been cut off...
Lol

Not to go too far off topic, it'd be fun for TDS to do a mock of Fox and Friends like they did of a Beck program.

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Peter Parker

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Last reply 18 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Yesterday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:40 PM

I got the 713 update yesterday.

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naptime

Today at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Today at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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Bobby

Today at 10:32 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.

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dishstaller

18 minutes ago

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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telebiker

Last reply 25 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Hopper and Dish Hopper Plus No Alexa in settings

I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.

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HipKat

Mar 15, 2026

Guys,
Android is Google. Google is Android. Android OS and Google TV are the same thing.
The Hopper+ and Joey 4's run Android TV, which is Google's television version of Android.
That means under the hood, you have:

Linux kernel
Android framework
Google TV / Android TV interface
Google Play Store for TV apps

Alexa is the competition. Google is not going to host their competition.
The old Hopper Carbon UI is NOT Google so that's why Alexa was on there.

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Harryhaggle

Mar 18, 2026

Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.

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navychop

Mar 18, 2026

Ungood.

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Today at 10:17 AM

What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?

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navychop

25 minutes ago

Tell Alexa verbally what to do.

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klang

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I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.

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klang

Jul 28, 2025

I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

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Apr 3, 2026

Paramount lost a number of the Star Trek creative crew to other projects, like Ron Moore going on to BSG and "For All Mankind". I see Denise and Michael Okuda are also involved with FAM.

klang

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

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MikeD-C05

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.

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harshness

Tuesday at 11:28 AM

MikeD-C05 said:
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.

Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

MikeD-C05

28 minutes ago

harshness said:
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.

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meStevo

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Last reply 40 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

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We've literally got a movie already about this

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
This is true of literally anything, though.

Do you think that means we ought to be supporting it as the long-term solution?

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Today at 10:05 AM

Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

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Last reply 47 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

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I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
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