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sam1070

Last reply Apr 3, 2015 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

switching from dish to charter tv

hello has anyone had any experience with charter tv and switching to there tv and internet from dish and centrylink i currently have the hopper with hte super joey and two joey set up as well as centlyink for internet at idtap or pair bonded at 20 megs and 2 megs ups i am just trying to wiegh my options i am out of contract with dish now so i am just exploring my options right now thanks
ps i am typign from a phone please excuse pseeling errors etc

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Tampa8

Apr 1, 2015

Like most cable it probably will depend on your particular location. Your timing of this post is great, last night at my Friend's house I was able to see both Charter and Direct TV side by side as he now has both. (The complex includes basic Charter) I have DISH and as my eyes have told me even before the comparison I now know where I am in Eastern Ct. the picture from Charter is not as good as DISH or Direct. I'm including that he is not a single user and perhaps the set up is degrading the picture. We all agree his picture is the same as my other friends who have Charter at home, which is to say not as good as when they see my DISH picture or his Direct TV picture. For lack of a better word it is blurry, like it needs to be focused a little better. That's the best description I can give. On it's own with no comparison perhaps it looks good but as soon as you see DISH or Direct there is a difference.

That said, I must say their internet seems to always have at the very least the minimum speed advertised and most often the full speed. My only complaint is the same as having any cable service, it goes out somewhat often, from auto accidents to trees down etc.. They also do run decent intro rates and they seem to be honest when you talk to them. Their website like most Cable isn't as clear as to what you get and what it costs as the DISH or Direct websites. When I call to get my discount every few months for Internet they ask about me getting their TV service. When I ask questions to their credit I get direct answers.
As mentioned after the intro rates at least here they are quite alot more expensive than DISH for me. Direct is $180 more a year, Charter would be somewhat the same. (I get a discount already by calling them every few months to renew it, a little hassle but it's a savings of $19 a month)

Also just make sure you are actually off contract with DISH since you mentioned you have a Super Joey.

KazooGuy

Apr 1, 2015

Tampa8 said:
Like most cable it probably will depend on your particular location. Your timing of this post is great, last night at my Friend's house I was able to see both Charter and Direct TV side by side as he now has both. (The complex includes basic Charter) I have DISH and as my eyes have told me even before the comparison I now know where I am in Eastern Ct. the picture from Charter is not as good as DISH or Direct. I'm including that he is not a single user and perhaps the set up is degrading the picture. We all agree his picture is the same as my other friends who have Charter at home, which is to say not as good as when they see my DISH picture or his Direct TV picture. For lack of a better word it is blurry, like it needs to be focused a little better. That's the best description I can give. On it's own with no comparison perhaps it looks good but as soon as you see DISH or Direct there is a difference.

That said, I must say their internet seems to always have at the very least the minimum speed advertised and most often the full speed. My only complaint is the same as having any cable service, it goes out somewhat often, from auto accidents to trees down etc.. They also do run decent intro rates and they seem to be honest when you talk to them. Their website like most Cable isn't as clear as to what you get and what it costs as the DISH or Direct websites. When I call to get my discount every few months for Internet they ask about me getting their TV service. When I ask questions to their credit I get direct answers.
As mentioned after the intro rates at least here they are quite alot more expensive than DISH for me. Direct is $180 more a year, Charter would be somewhat the same. (I get a discount already by calling them every few months to renew it, a little hassle but it's a savings of $19 a month)

Also just make sure you are actually off contract with DISH since you mentioned you have a Super Joey.

Using my TIVO and with Charter here having made the swap to Switched Digital Video, I can honestly say I feel that Charter's PQ is better, but then I am using my TIVO box and not Charter's. Not to mention Charter offers more HD channels than either sat company.

old corps

Apr 1, 2015

KazooGuy said:
Using my TIVO and with Charter here having made the swap to Switched Digital Video, I can honestly say I feel that Charter's PQ is better, but then I am using my TIVO box and not Charter's. Not to mention Charter offers more HD channels than either sat company.

Thanks for the post. Can you comment on their on demand? Trying to watch supposedly HD programs from Dish on Demand is too painful to watch.

Ed

king3pj

Apr 1, 2015

old corps said:
Thanks for the post. Can you comment on their on demand? Trying to watch supposedly HD programs from Dish on Demand is too painful to watch.

Ed

I know I'm not the person you asked but I can tell you that on demand doesn't work with a Tivo. It's no big deal to me because I have plenty of tuners and storage space to just record what I want to watch. If you try to sign up with Charter and a Tivo they will try to push you into getting one of their boxes specifically for on demand. In my opinion all the other benefits to using a Tivo easily outweigh the lack of on demand support though.

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KazooGuy

Apr 2, 2015

old corps said:
Thanks for the post. Can you comment on their on demand? Trying to watch supposedly HD programs from Dish on Demand is too painful to watch.

Ed

As has been stated, if you using a TIVO you will not have any access to on demand content. I personally do not care about that and never would watch it if I could. With the TIVO and a Netflix subscription I find plenty enough to keep me busy watching what interests me. I also should have said that I put a TIVO mini in the bedroom and this handles my whole house issues. You can use the mini to watch a live program using one of the TIVO's tuners or anything that is already recorded on the TIVO without tying up a tuner. Just plug it into my network and it works fine. I really have had no issues with Charter since I made the switch. Never worry about nightly reboots or weather related outages has been a nice plus. An outage because of a downed pole from an accident, but Charter had it rerouted and back up within an hour. It is in their contract with the municipality they have only so many minutes they can be down since they provide phone service as well.

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DishSubLA

Apr 2, 2015

king3pj said:
I know I'm not the person you asked but I can tell you that on demand doesn't work with a Tivo. It's no big deal to me because I have plenty of tuners and storage space to just record what I want to watch. If you try to sign up with Charter and a Tivo they will try to push you into getting one of their boxes specifically for on demand. In my opinion all the other benefits to using a Tivo easily outweigh the lack of on demand support though.

mdavej said:
Three years ago, I would have agreed with this 100%. Charter was indeed the worst company in the country. I had my share of issues with them in the past as well. But today, Charter is a very different company. Satisfaction numbers, quality and service are way up. Lineup is the best in the country at prices significantly lower than satellite. I get 80 more HD channels than I did with satellite.

And Tivo is NOT the only option. My Windows Media Center whole home DVR system (serving 6 TVs) costs me a whopping $2/month versus about $50 for the same thing from satellite or Tivo. Overall, I'm paying about half what I did with satellite and am getting far more content and functionality. Unless Charter does a complete 180 back to the way it did business a few years ago, I don't see myself ever going back to satellite.

I'm glad things improved for you at Charter. In our area I still know people who are PO'd and although Charter has slight improvement taking all its service areas into account, there are still extremely recent posts for all parts of the country ranting on Charter in very high number and with more vitriol, but most for its TV service, and it's Internet not being reliable in those areas (reliable in my area), but recent happy folks now with 50Mbps (from 30Mbps) at no additional charge.

In theory, I agree with the WMC solution (I use it for some OTA). The problem is that WMC is for the tech savvy. Further, many people are just principally opposed to having a PC on all the time as their primary DVR. It's just the way they think. Microsoft, while at first trying to kill WMC, has backed off a bit and decided to take the TiVo approach and slowly kill WMC with a thousand cuts. WMC is not making MS any money, and they want it dead. In fact, last I heard, Windows 10 will require one to purchase an "upgrade" for WMC. Also, I can't remember exactly, but I believe there was a recent change imposed upon WMC and tuners where a lot of users were PO'd because they lost some functionality. Perhaps you know of of it?

Further, WMC does not easily support remote viewing (now we are talking software to re-code and then PLEX, etc.? more things for the average Joe to track down, acquire and learn to use) nor transferring recordings to mobile devices is as intuitive as it is for TiVo, Dish, or DirecTV, the fastest growing way to watch content, including one's own DVR recordings or LIVE TV channels from a cable co or sat box. There are some other devices one could add (and additional software like My Logos), but some require connections and/or cards that are NOT on most PC's (PC's not designed for media when purchased) that require one to open the PC and switch out or add some cards. Joe Blow and Betsy Wetsy haven't a CLUE how to proceed, and would be forced to pay BIG bucks to someone like Geek Squad to do for them, after buying the hardware. There are other "accessories" one needs to get WMC going great, and Joe Sixpack aint even ready to imagine the work. In other words, unless one buys a new Media PC (and even then, not necessarily good to go on day one), one is having to "BUILD" a WMC experience. It requires an immersion in the whole WMC/Home Server universe with all sorts of required tech knowledge and all sorts of pieces of software from several different companies an sources all to make a whole, and Ceton products are fine (are the Echo's still constantly buggy, crashing, re-booting,or otherwise flaky?), but cost more money.

Yes, if one has the tech savvy and TIME to commit to it, WMC is the way to go and get high satisfaction, and I agree that WMC is far LESS expensive than the TiVo model, but WMC requires too much trouble for the average consumer, and this is why WMC NEVER become popular, even though it really is pretty great once it is up and running. People can easily comprehend and even install a BOX that connected directly to a TV and has all the software and hardware installed ready to go with built-in streaming and ready to transfer your recordings to your mobile device: a finished product as opposed to some "kit" where the consumer has to put things together like a model of a ship. All they do is connect the traditional DVR box to a TV and plug the power in, and after very simple process, they are UP and going with a DVR. This EASE of install and understanding even trumps the "on-line" new DVR solutions like Tablo because Tablo, et al. depends upon a home network and mobile devices and connected devices like Roku, NOT directly a TV. The Tablo etc. experience is an abstraction to most people, especially if they were born before 1990 or haven't the affluence while growing up to even have a decent computer to become tech savvy, and puts them a bit out of their depth compared to that "box" they just connect to their TV AND can get support. With WMC, you are your own support person.

My point is not to say WMC is bad, but to point out to EVERY WMC/HTPC enthusiast who suggests WMC as if it were "plug and play" sound simple, is that it is FAR from simple, and this is why it never took off. WMC is for the tech savvy who have the time to make it all work and keep up with changes.

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DishSubLA

Apr 2, 2015

KazooGuy said:
As has been stated, if you using a TIVO you will not have any access to on demand content. I personally do not care about that and never would watch it if I could. With the TIVO and a Netflix subscription I find plenty enough to keep me busy watching what interests me. I also should have said that I put a TIVO mini in the bedroom and this handles my whole house issues. You can use the mini to watch a live program using one of the TIVO's tuners or anything that is already recorded on the TIVO without tying up a tuner. Just plug it into my network and it works fine. I really have had no issues with Charter since I made the switch. Never worry about nightly reboots or weather related outages has been a nice plus. An outage because of a downed pole from an accident, but Charter had it rerouted and back up within an hour. It is in their contract with the municipality they have only so many minutes they can be down since they provide phone service as well.

The only time not having On-demand may be a problem is for special events like boxing, etc.

old corps

Apr 2, 2015

DishSubLA said:
Bu

I'm glad things improved for you at Charter. In our area I still know people who are PO'd and although Charter has slight improvement taking all its service areas into account, there are still extremely recent posts for all parts of the country ranting on Charter in very high number and with more vitriol, but most for its TV service, and it's Internet not being reliable in those areas (reliable in my area), but recent happy folks now with 50Mbps (from 30Mbps) at no additional charge.

In theory, I agree with the WMC solution (I use it for some OTA). The problem is that WMC is for the tech savvy. Further, many people are just principally opposed to having a PC on all the time as their primary DVR. It's just the way they think. Microsoft, while at first trying to kill WMC, has backed off a bit and decided to take the TiVo approach and slowly kill WMC with a thousand cuts. WMC is not making MS any money, and they want it dead. In fact, last I heard, Windows 10 will require one to purchase an "upgrade" for WMC. Also, I can't remember exactly, but I believe there was a recent change imposed upon WMC and tuners where a lot of users were PO'd because they lost some functionality. Perhaps you know of of it?

Further, WMC does not easily support remote viewing (now we are talking software to re-code and then PLEX, etc.? more things for the average Joe to track down, acquire and learn to use) nor transferring recordings to mobile devices is as intuitive as it is for TiVo, Dish, or DirecTV, the fastest growing way to watch content, including one's own DVR recordings or LIVE TV channels from a cable co or sat box. There are some other devices one could add (and additional software like My Logos), but some require connections and/or cards that are NOT on most PC's (PC's not designed for media when purchased) that require one to open the PC and switch out or add some cards. Joe Blow and Betsy Wetsy haven't a CLUE how to proceed, and would be forced to pay BIG bucks to someone like Geek Squad to do for them, after buying the hardware. There are other "accessories" one needs to get WMC going great, and Joe Sixpack aint even ready to imagine the work. In other words, unless one buys a new Media PC (and even then, not necessarily good to go on day one), one is having to "BUILD" a WMC experience. It requires an immersion in the whole WMC/Home Server universe with all sorts of required tech knowledge and all sorts of pieces of software from several different companies an sources all to make a whole, and Ceton products are fine (are the Echo's still constantly buggy, crashing, re-booting,or otherwise flaky?), but cost more money.

Yes, if one has the tech savvy and TIME to commit to it, WMC is the way to go and get high satisfaction, and I agree that WMC is far LESS expensive than the TiVo model, but WMC requires too much trouble for the average consumer, and this is why WMC NEVER become popular, even though it really is pretty great once it is up and running. People can easily comprehend and even install a BOX that connected directly to a TV and has all the software and hardware installed ready to go with built-in streaming and ready to transfer your recordings to your mobile device: a finished product as opposed to some "kit" where the consumer has to put things together like a model of a ship. All they do is connect the traditional DVR box to a TV and plug the power in, and after very simple process, they are UP and going with a DVR. This EASE of install and understanding even trumps the "on-line" new DVR solutions like Tablo because Tablo, et al. depends upon a home network and mobile devices and connected devices like Roku, NOT directly a TV. The Tablo etc. experience is an abstraction to most people, especially if they were born before 1990 or haven't the affluence while growing up to even have a decent computer to become tech savvy, and puts them a bit out of their depth compared to that "box" they just connect to their TV AND can get support. With WMC, you are your own support person.

My point is not to say WMC is bad, but to point out to EVERY WMC/HTPC enthusiast who suggests WMC as if it were "plug and play" sound simple, is that it is FAR from simple, and this is why it never took off. WMC is for the tech savvy who have the time to make it all work and keep up with changes.

Joe Sixpack

mdavej

Apr 3, 2015

DishSubLA said:
Bu

I'm glad things improved for you at Charter. In our area I still know people who are PO'd and although Charter has slight improvement taking all its service areas into account, there are still extremely recent posts for all parts of the country ranting on Charter in very high number and with more vitriol, but most for its TV service, and it's Internet not being reliable in those areas (reliable in my area), but recent happy folks now with 50Mbps (from 30Mbps) at no additional charge.

In theory, I agree with the WMC solution (I use it for some OTA). The problem is that WMC is for the tech savvy. Further, many people are just principally opposed to having a PC on all the time as their primary DVR. It's just the way they think. Microsoft, while at first trying to kill WMC, has backed off a bit and decided to take the TiVo approach and slowly kill WMC with a thousand cuts. WMC is not making MS any money, and they want it dead. In fact, last I heard, Windows 10 will require one to purchase an "upgrade" for WMC. Also, I can't remember exactly, but I believe there was a recent change imposed upon WMC and tuners where a lot of users were PO'd because they lost some functionality. Perhaps you know of of it?

Further, WMC does not easily support remote viewing (now we are talking software to re-code and then PLEX, etc.? more things for the average Joe to track down, acquire and learn to use) nor transferring recordings to mobile devices is as intuitive as it is for TiVo, Dish, or DirecTV, the fastest growing way to watch content, including one's own DVR recordings or LIVE TV channels from a cable co or sat box. There are some other devices one could add (and additional software like My Logos), but some require connections and/or cards that are NOT on most PC's (PC's not designed for media when purchased) that require one to open the PC and switch out or add some cards. Joe Blow and Betsy Wetsy haven't a CLUE how to proceed, and would be forced to pay BIG bucks to someone like Geek Squad to do for them, after buying the hardware. There are other "accessories" one needs to get WMC going great, and Joe Sixpack aint even ready to imagine the work. In other words, unless one buys a new Media PC (and even then, not necessarily good to go on day one), one is having to "BUILD" a WMC experience. It requires an immersion in the whole WMC/Home Server universe with all sorts of required tech knowledge and all sorts of pieces of software from several different companies an sources all to make a whole, and Ceton products are fine (are the Echo's still constantly buggy, crashing, re-booting,or otherwise flaky?), but cost more money.

Yes, if one has the tech savvy and TIME to commit to it, WMC is the way to go and get high satisfaction, and I agree that WMC is far LESS expensive than the TiVo model, but WMC requires too much trouble for the average consumer, and this is why WMC NEVER become popular, even though it really is pretty great once it is up and running. People can easily comprehend and even install a BOX that connected directly to a TV and has all the software and hardware installed ready to go with built-in streaming and ready to transfer your recordings to your mobile device: a finished product as opposed to some "kit" where the consumer has to put things together like a model of a ship. All they do is connect the traditional DVR box to a TV and plug the power in, and after very simple process, they are UP and going with a DVR. This EASE of install and understanding even trumps the "on-line" new DVR solutions like Tablo because Tablo, et al. depends upon a home network and mobile devices and connected devices like Roku, NOT directly a TV. The Tablo etc. experience is an abstraction to most people, especially if they were born before 1990 or haven't the affluence while growing up to even have a decent computer to become tech savvy, and puts them a bit out of their depth compared to that "box" they just connect to their TV AND can get support. With WMC, you are your own support person.

My point is not to say WMC is bad, but to point out to EVERY WMC/HTPC enthusiast who suggests WMC as if it were "plug and play" sound simple, is that it is FAR from simple, and this is why it never took off. WMC is for the tech savvy who have the time to make it all work and keep up with changes.

Well said. I wish Ceton had not abandoned its Q product. That would have given us a WMC box as simple to set up and use as a Tivo, giving cable card and WMC a much needed shot in the arm. Alas, it was not meant to be. At least we got half of the equation, the Echo (which is still buggy and flaky).

You can make a PC that is more energy efficient than Tivo and doesn't have to be on all the time. Mine runs 10-20W when on and less than 1W when sleeping (which is most of the time). But I agree it takes knowledge, skill and time to set up, maintain and troubleshoot. This is why I have a WMC system myself but would never in a million years build one for my parents.

I mainly see WMC versus Tivo the same as any DIY versus contracted project. Joe Six Pack could probably install a new faucet in his bathroom and save a lot of money and end up with a faucet that works just as well as one installed by a plumber. He'd also have to acquire the knowledge and skill to do the job and troubleshoot if/when something goes wrong. But most people are just going to hire a plumber.

If you have some tech savvy and are the DIY type and looking for ways to save some money, I still recommend WMC over Tivo. That said, you can get a used Tivo Premiere with lifetime on CL or ebay for about $300 and get the best of both worlds, ease of use and installation plus a low cost approaching that of WMC.

dare2be

Apr 3, 2015

I'm rather tech-savvy but the issue for me in setting up a WMC box is time. I just don't have or want to spend the time on it.

harshness

Apr 3, 2015

dare2be said:
I'm rather tech-savvy but the issue for me in setting up a WMC box is time. I just don't have or want to spend the time on it.

That and Micro$oft is becoming increasingly vague about WMC support.

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jamieh1

Last reply 2 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Directv curated multi view now live

The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.

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KyL416

Tuesday at 7:29 PM

It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

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b4pjoe

Tuesday at 7:30 PM

KyL416 said:
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.

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TheRatPatrol

Yesterday at 11:37 PM

KyL416 said:
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

How soon will it be available on Apple TV? Thanks

I WANT MORE

2 minutes ago

b4pjoe said:
But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.

It's on my Air's.

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Windows 10/11 Download

I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.

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EarDemon

Tuesday at 9:43 PM

If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

WhiteBeard

Tuesday at 9:59 PM

EarDemon said:
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

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EarDemon

Wednesday at 10:12 PM

WhiteBeard said:
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.

harshness

Yesterday at 11:18 AM

EarDemon said:
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.

What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI? By many accounts, it has been going downhill since Windows 7.

There are Linux desktops that offer Windows or Mac UIs, yet you don't hear much chatter about them outside of questions about when the creators might get sued.

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EarDemon

Yesterday at 8:55 PM

harshness said:
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?

Because it's what I prefer. I know I've said this a few times, I use Open Shell to give me the cascading start menu a la WIN 95 and NT4.0. The only reason I went from Windows Vista to 7 back in the day was because of Classic Shell. I cannot stand anything other than the OG start menu from 30+ years ago. I'm using ExplorerPatcher to give me Windows 10 UI elements of the taskbar and right click context menus.

If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.

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EarDemon

Yesterday at 9:10 PM

I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

harshness

Today at 12:56 AM

EarDemon said:
Because it's what I prefer.

I hope you don't believe that makes it wonderful (especially when you're using workarounds for Microsoft's malfeasance).

I use LibreOffice as opposed to Microsoft office (even in Windows) because it's UI is like the Office of old, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is (in a manner of speaking). The ribbon was one of the worst ideas to come out Redmond.

HipKat

15 minutes ago

EarDemon said:
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

I used to pin the C: drive to the Win Taskbar and it would open in cascading style

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Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:28 AM

zipping right along here

slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:29 AM

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

Foxbat

Today at 12:38 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:03 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin

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cpdretired

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 6:02 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.

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bnewt

Sep 23, 2026

Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

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ewindowman

Tuesday at 3:09 PM

Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.

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Almighty1

Tuesday at 9:52 PM

ewindowman said:
Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.

Never had time to use the Hopper 3 account app yet. I also have a Hopper Plus so it's not the same as the Hopper 3 standalone. Will try it when I have more time, need to beat the taxes extension filing deadline first as I am still working on entering the data into the tax software.

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Almighty1

Wednesday at 6:49 AM

This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:45 PM

bnewt said:
Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

look again mine says free for 1 month

Almighty1

Today at 2:13 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month

Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:02 AM

Almighty1 said:
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Today at 5:56 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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White Noise - Jessie Baylin

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jannah

Last reply Today at 12:33 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Purchased Joey 4 avtivate

Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks

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jannah

Oct 7, 2026

All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 8, 2026

jannah said:
All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.

i bought mine straight from dish as it was only $ 100.00 bucks!!! had the protection plan they came out removed and deactivated the 4k joey and activated and installed the joey 4.

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zcrayfish

Monday at 1:08 PM

Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.

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Nominal

Monday at 5:45 PM

I don't know if things are different with Dish but when I first rejoined DirecTV a few years ago Solid Signal was able to create my account and activate the equipment I got from them on a self-install without a truck roll.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:30 AM

zcrayfish said:
Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.

1-800-333-3474. billing or tech support should be able to do it!!!

slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:33 AM

jannah said:
Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks

just call dish and iggy the number from solid signal!!

Foxbat

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Last reply Today at 12:08 AM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

www.apple.com

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

Foxbat

Wednesday at 8:59 PM

The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.

navychop

Yesterday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Yesterday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Yesterday at 10:54 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Yesterday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Yesterday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Yesterday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

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