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Last reply May 1, 2015 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

100% signal reliability in the future for Satellite??

Just thinking about the advancements in technology, over the last couple of years. Alot more than ever starting to happen in the streaming live tv channels.Now with Sling it makes it even easier to get tv.
Over time Im sure more and more channels and flexible offerings will be avaliable.

Satellite tv itself still has a few problems. Rain fade,snow fade, trees etc attribute to signal lose and the cable companies still beat the same ole drum that they have 100% signal reliablity. Well actually they do right now.

Ever notice when you are watching and Hd channel for instance on your satellite and a rain storm comes up and knocks off your signal. The receiver then says switching to SD alternative.
Well one day in the foreseeable future when more and more channels become available online this could be a backup for your satellite receiver . In other words when your signal goes out it will switch to the INTERNET LIVE channel as long as your receiver is connected via the internet. This is a long time away Im sure as there are so many channels out there now. It could be however for the main cable channels that most people watch. This is an expensive thing to do right now ,but it could come a reality in the future.....

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SamCdbs

Apr 22, 2015

gatekeeper said:
Well actually they do right now.

Really?

So when the storm comes, and the cable is cut, it still works? And the power is out at the headend or at any node or booster, it still works? It doesn't get its signals from a SATELLITE DISH, said signal traveling through the same rain, sleet and snow? There are not people in New Jersey w/o cable due to a storm 18 months ago and it didn't take cable FIVE YEARS to restore service after Katrina, while DBS was up and running FIVE SECONDS after the storms passed?

Cable, an ancient (1940s) technology has to say SOMETHING. "We are totally inferior in every way to the modern DBS systems." isn't much of a slogan. So it spews idiocy about the 99.9% false bogey man of "rain fade" and provides the "service" of allowing you to save the 4 seconds of time it would take to pay for internet and TV separately. It is all they have. Because they are INFERIOR.

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EarDemon

Apr 22, 2015

SamCdbs said:
Really?

So when the storm comes, and the cable is cut, it still works? And the power is out at the headend or at any node or booster, it still works? It doesn't get its signals from a SATELLITE DISH, said signal traveling through the same rain, sleet and snow? There are not people in New Jersey w/o cable due to a storm 18 months ago and it didn't take cable FIVE YEARS to restore service after Katrina, while DBS was up and running FIVE SECONDS after the storms passed?

Cable, an ancient (1940s) technology has to say SOMETHING. "We are totally inferior in every way to the modern DBS systems." isn't much of a slogan. So it spews idiocy about the 99.9% false bogey man of "rain fade" and provides the "service" of allowing you to save the 4 seconds of time it would take to pay for internet and TV separately. It is all they have. Because they are INFERIOR.

As a long term subscriber with top tier equipment from DirecTV and TWC cable I could not disagree more. This past November when my area got pounded with snow,70-90" depending on the town, in a three day span, I lost both my cable and satellite services. DirecTV was the first to go, the snow started falling Monday into Tuesday night at the rate of about 4 or 5 inches and hour, by mid Tuesday my satellite dishes were completely covered, by Wednesday morning both my SL5 and WorldDirect dishes completely collapsed from the weight of the snow. I still had cable until Thursday afternoon, when a snow plow came by and the weight of the snow, combined with the force of if from the plow completely tore apart my cable connection at the utility pole.

The difference is I called TWC and they were out the following day, Friday Nov 21, they were able to just barely make it down my street, and run a new line of RG11 from the pole to my garage. The earliest could get DirecTV out here was the following Saturday, Nov 29. DirecTV charged me $50 for the pleasure of having them come out, as per usual no cost with TWC.

The idiotic anti cable argument of 'cable gets their signal from satellite' was never valid and is now even less valid. My cable signal originates at the TWC NOC in Syracuse, NY where channels are received by mostly a combination of fiber and IP and then distributed to regional headends, and then are passed to local headends. Picture quality is on par with DirecTV. Some channels look better on DirecTV, some on Time Warner. The Difference isn't enough from me to care. Time Warner has better On Demand, had many many more HD channels, but now DirecTV is catching up. There's nothing 1940s about my upwards of 200 full time channels of HD content, and eventually 300Mb+ broadband.

Besides out of market sports, I cannot think of a single other thing where DirecTV beats TWC.

TNGTony

Apr 22, 2015

gatekeeper said:
Satellite tv itself still has a few problems. Rain fade,snow fade, trees etc attribute to signal lose and the cable companies still beat the same ole drum that they have 100% signal reliablity. Well actually they do right now.

I know others have taken issue with this statement, and I will as well. The last major rain fade event I had was accompanied by a 30 minute power outage. When the power came back, cable didn't. It was out for 12 hours. Satellite was back up the moment the receiver rebooted. Before that we had a wind storm. No rain fade at all, but we did have some power glitches, that, thanks to my UPS did not affect the satellite receiver at all. Cable went our for 7 hours. These two events are from the last 45 days.

Back in 2009, Hurricane Ike hit OHIO! It knocked power out for 3 days. Cable (and internet) was out for 5 days. With a battery, I was able to watch satellite TV, ironically enough, to get local channels.

Cable is also not immune from rain fade. Recently I was watching an event on a network channel and signal was lost due to heavy downpours at the source of the live event. The interruption lasted 10 minutes.

So no. Cable is far from 100% reliability. I would argue they are LESS reliable than satellite so far this year!

To your point about switching from HD to SD to Internet, that is a different story. It sounds good on paper, but in my experience, when I lose satellite long enough to worry about it, cable/internet is down for longer!

Hall

Apr 22, 2015

TNGTony said:
Cable is also not immune from rain fade. Recently I was watching an event on a network channel and signal was lost due to heavy downpours at the source of the live event.

That's not a 'cable outage'. Wouldn't people watching the event on Dish or Directv also been unable to ?

ChadT41 said:
A properly mounted Dish should not experience a complete signal loss, except for the dirtiest of storms

That must mean that the majority of satellite customers have improperly mounted dishes then. It's physics and the cloud cover that often occurs before a heavy thunderstorm or snowstorm can cause a signal loss.

ChadT41

Apr 22, 2015

Hall said:
That's not a 'cable outage'. Wouldn't people watching the event on Dish or Directv also been unable to ?

That must mean that the majority of satellite customers have improperly mounted dishes then. It's physics and the cloud cover that often occurs before a heavy thunderstorm or snowstorm can cause a signal loss.

heavy and nasty.. yes.... normal storm... no

dare2be

Apr 27, 2015

ChadT41 said:
heavy and nasty.. yes.... normal storm... no

In FL, heavy and nasty is the norm.

sperry85

Apr 29, 2015

EarDemon said:
As a long term subscriber with top tier equipment from DirecTV and TWC cable I could not disagree more. This past November when my area got pounded with snow,70-90" depending on the town, in a three day span, I lost both my cable and satellite services. DirecTV was the first to go, the snow started falling Monday into Tuesday night at the rate of about 4 or 5 inches and hour, by mid Tuesday my satellite dishes were completely covered, by Wednesday morning both my SL5 and WorldDirect dishes completely collapsed from the weight of the snow. I still had cable until Thursday afternoon, when a snow plow came by and the weight of the snow, combined with the force of if from the plow completely tore apart my cable connection at the utility pole.

The difference is I called TWC and they were out the following day, Friday Nov 21, they were able to just barely make it down my street, and run a new line of RG11 from the pole to my garage. The earliest could get DirecTV out here was the following Saturday, Nov 29. DirecTV charged me $50 for the pleasure of having them come out, as per usual no cost with TWC.

The idiotic anti cable argument of 'cable gets their signal from satellite' was never valid and is now even less valid. My cable signal originates at the TWC NOC in Syracuse, NY where channels are received by mostly a combination of fiber and IP and then distributed to regional headends, and then are passed to local headends. Picture quality is on par with DirecTV. Some channels look better on DirecTV, some on Time Warner. The Difference isn't enough from me to care. Time Warner has better On Demand, had many many more HD channels, but now DirecTV is catching up. There's nothing 1940s about my upwards of 200 full time channels of HD content, and eventually 300Mb+ broadband.

Besides out of market sports, I cannot think of a single other thing where DirecTV beats TWC.

Heh, I find it funny that you say satellite is inferior because the dish got over loaded with snow and fell down. Where was the dish mounted? On your roof or eave? Did it damage your house when the lag bolts ripped out? Or is it on a pole and you were too lazy to clear the snow off it?

The reality is that it really depends on where you live. I'm currently in San Antonio and cable is far from reaching the reliability of a properly installed satellite dish. In fact just today I reinstalled a ladies old SD directv recievers because she went to TWC for a week and was just appalled with the service.

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Tony S

Apr 29, 2015

Where I live in Connecticut, Dish is much more reliable than cable. I can't even remember the last time that my satellite feed went out. I have the Dish mounted on a pole in my yard and it is easy to brush the snow off. Even though we had one of the worst winters ever recorded, I only had to brush the dish off once this season. Rain fade is virtually non-existent. It takes a monsoon of a storm for satellite to go out, and then it is only momentary (a few minutes at most).

Meanwhile cable has gone out more frequently, and when it is out it takes longer for them to restore the signal.

truckracer

Apr 30, 2015

C band big dish were the days of no rain fade.

DishSubLA

May 1, 2015

Have to say Dish (and likely DirecTV) as a satellite is FAR more reliable than either the Cable TV or Internet services. When storms pass though, we might lose our sat signal for a few minutes, but then it all comes back, but the Cable co here has trucks out trying to locate and fix the downed TV and internet. I have neighbors who go through loss of TV for several hours, even a day or more. While our internet is VERY reliable--from the cable co--it can have several minor outages and a few longer delays. All in all, not so bad, but FAR WORSE than my steady solid as a rock sat signal.

Also, let's consider that the internet slows down either to lack of edge router capacity or even the backbone itself, and no one want to pay for increasing the more than ever over burdened capacity of the backbone, which has to deal with high inefficiencies such as too many people streaming the same new hit movie, not in accordance with what is supposed to be the agreed industry practice of efficient use of the backbone by having such high traffic content cached at the ISP, but Hollywood, of course, doesn't like that. I still get buffering more than a few times on my 50 Mbps downstream, while my sat service has far, far, fewer hiccups.

And let us not forget that as cable co's become almost all about being an ISP, the current rates for ISP services will INCREASE to reflect our growing dependency on it, all while crowing that they give you 100Mbps speeds that are truly USELESS for home, but with no options for slower speeds at lower prices (some people only need only 5-15Mpbs, not 50-100Mbps).

Yeah, the future of the internet looks good--to the ISP's. In other words, they get us coming and going, as usual.

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meStevo

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Volcanic Eruptions

Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.

Monitoring Data for Kīlauea

For more information on how electronic tiltmeters and GPS receivers help monitor the deformation of Kīlauea volcano, see the HVO Deformation page.

www.usgs.gov

View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4

Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.

View: https://youtu.be/iws3rh5vLAQ

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Oct 1, 2026

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Gemini summary:

In this video from Shawn Willsey: Geology Explained, geology professor Shawn Willsey details rapid subsurface and surface changes at Kīlauea volcano in Hawaii:

Signs of a Magma Intrusion (Dike): Summit tiltmeters recorded an unprecedented, rapid inflation spike of around 45 microradians [04:00 Opens in a new window ], accompanied by a dramatic surge of over 100 shallow earthquakes within 24 hours (peaking at a magnitude 3.4) [01:44 Opens in a new window ]. The deformation indicates that magma is intruding in an east-west orientation beneath the southern caldera/Halemaʻumaʻu region [01:16 Opens in a new window ].
No Rift Zone Migration: Tilt and seismic data confirm magma is remaining confined to the summit area rather than traveling down the East Rift Zone [02:40 Opens in a new window ].
Structural Pathways: Willsey notes that pre-existing faults and fractures expanded during the 2018 caldera collapse [08:32 Opens in a new window ]. Because these fracture zones remain unsealed, magma can move and mobilize toward the surface much faster than before [10:17 Opens in a new window ].
Potential Outcomes: The intrusion could stall underground without erupting, or it could feed a new east-west fissure eruption inside the summit caldera, similar to the September 2023 event [02:47 Opens in a new window ].
Shift to Dome Overflows: Webcam footage from overnight reveals repeated pulses of fluid lava overflowing the spatter cone at the North Vent [11:42 Opens in a new window ]. Occurring roughly every 20 to 50 minutes and lasting several minutes each [12:36 Opens in a new window ], these cyclic overflows suggest Kīlauea may be transitioning away from high-fountaining episodes toward regular surface overflows [14:54 Opens in a new window ].

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Foxbat

15 minutes ago

Oooo, quite the show now. All three vents have doming and overflows. The cone that built up around the North vent lost its upper quarter at 02:50 Oct 17 and is now spewing lava at a healthy rate. Don't know if I would say it's a fountain, but it's close.

edit: The USGS has called the official start of Episode 55 as starting at 03:19 HST Oct 17, 2026:

Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-10-17 13:43:56 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Saturday, October 17, 2026, 3:43 AM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H488
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 55 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 55 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Fountain heights are relatively low at about 100-150 feet (30-45 m), and it is not clear whether this episode will evolve to the same heights as previous episodes. Continuous overflows from the vents began yesterday, October 16, just before 6 a.m. HST and transitioned into episode 55 fountains at 3:19 a.m. HST this morning. The current forecast is for winds are blowing from the north-northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the south-southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.

All eruptive vents and lava flows are confined to Halemaʻumaʻu crater within Hawaiʻi Volcanoes National Park. Tephra fall from volcanic ash clouds is greatest within 3 miles (5 km) of the vents, lighter ash and Pele's Hair may stay suspended for large distances from the vents.

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Military grade antenna for your off-grid setup #hamradio #satcom #offgrid

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Van

Last reply 22 minutes ago · posted in What's Cooking?

Whats for breakfast?

Who says dinner or lunch has to be the only good meals of the day?

Honey butter grits with scrambled eggs and grilled boneless pork ribs on flakey biscuits washed down with cranberry juice.

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Oct 9, 2026

Egg, sausage and cheese sandwich between bread toasted in butter in skillet... Chocolate milk.

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Sunday at 11:17 AM

dfergie said:
Egg, sausage and cheese sandwich between bread toasted in butter in skillet... Chocolate milk.

Add fresh hash browns, delete chocolate for milk with a slice of bacon.

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Bacon, eggs, hash browns and toast. Coffee.

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Speaking of waffles, I'm going to put my mini waffle iron on stove so I'll remember to make waffles in the morning... Had some last week, been awhile.

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dfergie

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Last reply 23 minutes ago · posted in What's Cooking?

Homemade Breakfast Sausage

Anyone making their own breakfast sausage? I've recently been trying different recipes, found some I like, some I've modified...

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navychop

Today at 8:14 AM

Bob Evans Sage.

reubenray

Today at 8:41 AM

navychop said:
Bob Evans Sage.

I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

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dfergie

Today at 8:45 AM

Swaggerty's isn't too bad, sausage prices are lower per lb than making my own from pork butts right now so I've been buying JC Potter or Owen lately.
(Swaggerty's at Sam's is pre cut, I usually partially freeze the rolls and cut with my slicer and vacuum seal on parchment paper)

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:47 AM

reubenray said:
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

amazon maybe :what

slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:52 AM

reubenray said:
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

owens on amazon is 54.99 for a 4 pk 16 oz a sausage. i feel that's kind of steep!!!

slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:54 AM

dfergie said:
Swaggerty's isn't too bad, sausage prices are lower per lb than making my own from pork butts right now so I've been buying JC Potter or Owen lately.
(Swaggerty's at Sam's is pre cut, I usually partially freeze the rolls and cut with my slicer and vacuum seal on parchment paper)

id'e rather make my own vs store bought.

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reubenray

42 minutes ago

slow_poke_pete said:
owens on amazon is 54.99 for a 4 pk 16 oz a sausage. i feel that's kind of steep!!!

Especially when I can get a two pound roll of Jimmy Dean from Sam's Club for $7.38.

dfergie

23 minutes ago

They run Owens at $3.99 for lb and $7.99 a couple times a month at some grocery stores here, I actually was wrong, just checked a pork sirloin roast it was $1.99 a lb. (cooked it yesterday so pack was in trash)

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Song Name Game Part 3!

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The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

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TheRatPatrol

Last reply Today at 7:40 AM · posted in TV Shows

NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?

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Jimbo

Monday at 11:41 PM

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Tuesday at 6:25 PM

Jimbo said:
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?

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Howard Simmons

Thursday at 1:19 PM

Jimbo said:
Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?

Tony as the director.

Jimbo

Thursday at 2:13 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.

Would you rather have LaRoche ???

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dfergie

Thursday at 4:37 PM

I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...

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Howard Simmons

Yesterday at 11:30 AM

Jimbo said:
Would you rather have LaRoche ???

No. Bring in someone new.

Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 12:50 PM

Howard Simmons said:
No. Bring in someone new. Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.

I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.

KAB

Today at 6:18 AM

I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.

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Jimbo

Today at 7:40 AM

KAB said:
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.

I'm curious how they are going to implement Tony into Origins (If they do) ...
Tony was introduced to Gibbs and the team, on NCIS, which makes it the Mothership side of things, he worked in Baltimore prior to NCIS, NO mention when they met that anyone had known one another ...

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