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Mister B
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I am going to miss KRWZ 950 in Denver. They have a great variety of oldies and although only 5,000 watts, I could usually pick them up here in rural West Texas in the morning. 950 seemed to just be in a rather uncrowded section of the dial. They have moved to KEZW 1430 and although they claim to be 5,000 watts at night they must be directional as there is no sign of them here.
In fact, since I was a kid I have always noticed that from about 1300 to 1500 there is nothing at night except the noise of many low powered local stations. Is this designed by law? There is also very little below about 660 but I am thinking the longer wavelengths just do not travel as well at night.
My friends used to complain when the one local radio station went off at sunset. They were amazed that I could always find distant stations and I would even set the buttons on their car radio.
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OK, lots of information to put here.....make a pizza, relax, and enjoy...I'm about to bore you and get on my soapbox.

It really isn't a matter of interest in the band...NEW AM's just arent happening. What's there is there. When a station files to move or to build, they hire an engineering firm, which looks for the best combination of coverage, non-interference, and build-cost. Lower dial and middle dial positions are very desirable. BUT...remember, radio is a business! If the coverage won't garner enough money to support the signal, nobody is going to build it. The move to 1430 to me has obviously got something "behind the scenes" happening like a sale of the stand-alone 950 to another entity to generate cash, or the deployment of programming they feel better suits the physically larger 950 audience in the future. Maybe even an upgrade to one of the channels. One doesn't just "change" for the sake of changing. I've not followed the trades to know what this particular company has planned.

1430 isn't really "graveyard" as it is really not a graveyard channel. Graveyards frequencies were originally licensed for short range daytime only,mainly in small towns. Some received blanket day/night full power back a few decades ago, but I believe it was only on "1450". Daytime power levels can be much higher on a 1430 than on graveyard frequencies, non directional OR directional. Ours, for instance is 4.7kw day, and 330 watt night, but the night is aimed away from my town to protect other stations. Originally my DAYTIME was licensed to point north, but we researched and filed to go non-directional daytime and gained a much bigger day audience. It's possible that the station to which you refer may have some future upgrading plans. Hard telling. It's a cascade effect, one station files and changes parameters, and opens or closes doors to another on the same or nearby frequencies.

Now, to further complicate the mix... Anything that is regulated to below 250 watts at night is not a night "license" but rather an "authorization". There is a difference. A license means it cannot move. It broadcasts from the same location day and night, but above 250 watts. An "authorization" means just the reverse...if I wanted-to, I could file to reduce my license to an authorization at very low power, and plant my NIGHT ONLY antenna in YOUR town on 1430 after dark and abandon my current night coverage. With an authorization, an operator with poor night coverage originating from the rim of a large town could put their stick right in the middle of that large city's downtown, and cover a huge city on low wattage almost as well as the "big boys." Yes, it takes much engineering and many dollars, but it has been done.

With regard to "clutter up the band:" Please keep in mind, that what you are hearing in that "dead zone" is not "clutter" to some local community. DXing of signals is a fun electronic "sport" but don't condemn the services provided by a low powered local station....many times the ONLY signal in the market. OUR 1430 reduces power to protect stations over 200 miles away which is nuts by today's standards, but we still serve IONIA. And, when there are local weather emergencies, we hit the HIGH power button for tornadoes, strong thunderstorms, widespread power outages, and the like. We're allowed to do this if we log the emergency, (and technically remove all commercials. if time permits.) Another 1430 in Durand, Wisconsin reduces power from around 2kw day to protect larger stations at night on 1430 to their South as well, but to their local community, they are the ONLY signal broadcasting IN their county talking ABOUT their county. Please don't judge these competing signals you hear as "almost useless" because in reality, they're not there to serve YOU, but rather to serve a small town or county where their signal may be the only one..... or at least the only one acting in the interest of LOCALISM.

With the new AM revitalization orders beginning to go into effect with the FCC, some changes are coming in the protection of other stations which may help in the daytime coverage of many licensees. Night rules are still not working in the interest of the "small" broadcaster, but we're working and lobbying to get that changed, if nothing else, on a case-by-case basis.

Things have changed since AM was the only band. It's still called "standard broadcast." Every time a person turns on a CFL, Computer, or plugs in a wall wart which came from China, AM suffers. Got a smart meter on your house for electricity? It makes AM noise. Got an AT&T modem for your DSL? It can block out AM in a whole house. AM is a tough gig, and those doing it deserve some degree of respect for working hard to continue to provide a service instead of just saying, to HELL with it, and shutting down what in some cases is the only locally originated signal for a town or a county. The noise level on our band is higher than ever, and WE brought it on ourselves as a country by buying cheap crap fro China, by not enforcing interference-generating equipment issues, not employing standards of quality in receivers, and by not having a government that can talk from one entity to another! The people wanting energy conservation want you to buy CFL's, yet the FCC KNOWS they produce noise! The FCC is closing bureaus in the United States while offending noisemakers are at an all time high. Local power companies have transformers and insulators that malfunction and interfere with AM, but it takes radio OPERATORS who care about their stations to find these locations, contact the power company and get them to fix it. Usually they do, if they don't, then we call in the FCC.

I won't bore you with more, but...AM is a tough gig, but still very viable when LOCAL programming gets the interest of the LOCAL listener, and when an operator of the AM cares about their quality of sound. Sadly, decisions are more often made economically, not in the "public interest" (like moving and selling) for the pocket, not the population. If I were you, I'd be watching the FCC public documents regarding the station. There's a 50/50 chance something good may be coming for them with their move (anything changing would be filed as a construction permit and publicly readable) or....it could just be a change for the almighty wallet.
B
First thank you to WION for the kind words about our station in Durand, WI. (us 1430 "sisters" need to stay together!)
Well I guess as an owner of one of those "useless" radio stations I guess I need to respond. Sorry I "ruin" your hobby, but frankly I could care less about DXing. I have never been able to pay any of my bills because I sent out so many QSL cards in a month. I have my station on the air to provide a service to my community and I try to do that the best I can. I have taken a station that was dark for five years and in the course of three I have made it viable. How..it was pretty simple, I care about our community and they care about the station. I have people that have not listened to AM in years until the station came back on the air. We have many high school kids that listen to us because we do many high school events and they still think its "cool to be on the radio".

Meanwhile those big 50kw "useful" stations continue with the same right wing talk, or espn sports or my favorite, Purity Products! I guess they do what they have to do, but frankly I find it one of the biggest reasons the AM band struggles.

I have heard these proposals before about dumping all the class B, C and D stations and only have 50kw day night stations. One thing to remember, us "usless" guys also pay regulatory fees and if we are all eliminated with exception of the "useful" stations, if you think the FCC is going to take a big budget cut, well that wont happen. So expect the big boys to cry when they have a new big bill to pay. Also when the band has nothing but talk, sports and religious on please dont complain how there is "nothing on" . Its stations like mine, WION and hundreds of others that try and do something different and while we may not be "useful" in your eyes, just come talk to our communities, they will tell you we are very much needed.
Mister B
This is not boring at all and I appreciate the view from a business perspective as apposed to my hobbyist view. My use of the term "useless" was in reference to the very low nighttime wattage stations that I have experienced locally. When I lived in Las Cruces, NM and KGRT (570) first began staying on at night, at I believe around 80 watts it was very difficult to receive less than 10 miles from the tower. Here in El Paso County I struggle to get KHRO (1150) at about 20 miles and 380 watts.
When I go through the AM dial at night, I am looking for anything other than talk, sports and religion. Of course where I live about 80% of the stations received are Spanish. I even will stop and check those out if they are something a bit more interesting than traditional Ranchero music. I wish either one of your Michigan/Wisconsin 1430s were available here. I have tried the internet stream but somehow that is not much fun. If I have to start the computer and go through the steps to hear radio stations I may as well listen to Los Angeles or London for that matter.
It is a pleasure to discuss this with professionals in the business. When I start to talk about things like this, my friends tend to gaze out the window.
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It is a pleasure to discuss this with professionals in the business. When I start to talk about things like this, my friends tend to gaze out the window.
AGREED!!!!
M
Ramblings..

The original graveyard frequencies for U.S. AM were at 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450 and 1490 KHz. They were intended for 24 hour operation of local stations, with a typical daytime range of less than 40 miles. Daytime power was 1000 watts max and most were given 250 watts at night. Most stations have been able to move up to fulltime at 1000 watts. Nighttime coverage is often limited to under 15-20 miles. This situation makes these channels a target for rare skip reception, because while you may have a local station that is on the air 24/7, almost everyone goes down for maintenance once in a while, and then it gets interesting to see what can show up from anywhere during the few hours that the local station is off the air.

Many previous daytime only licensees were given authority to run 24 hours, but at nighttime powers typically between 5 and less than 50 watts...barely enough to provide solid coverage of their city of license.

This last category has been quick to buy up FM translator licenses during the last several years whenever it has been allowed, to provide clear stereo FM coverage often extending out 30-35 miles 24/7, for an often dying AM operation that could not be heard through the interference. Hundreds of smalltown operations have gotten a chance to survive with typical 250 watt FM translators, and it seems to be working well in much of smalltown America. Then there is the internet, but there is nothing like a clear local FM station beaming familiar programming that previously often sounded like a noisy tin can on AM.

Take a look at the number of Canadian AM stations that have left the air in the past 30 years, in exchange for an often medium or full power FM allocation. Similar situation that helped their survival by transferring fully to the FM band, but the lack of many clear channel and regional AM signals from Canada has opened up the band in much of the U.S. for nighttime DXing.
Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I Can Hear Music - The Beach Boys
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Boom Boom ( Out Go The Lights ) - Pat Travers
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Palisades Park - Freddy "Boom Boom" Cannon
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Cherry Hill Park - Billy Joe Royal
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Lakeside Park - Rush
Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Jimbo
And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?
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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...
Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.
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Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.
Jimbo
Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.

Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.
I have turned some off, not others ...
dishstaller

Funny thing is that as the screen size and pic quality increase, the quality of the programming has DEcreased.
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skipped the OLED Tv entirely?

AI slop
dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
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dishstaller
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.
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I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!
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Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working. :)
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osu1991
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
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Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs
Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?
vazhog
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
osu1991
Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?
Started my own business in 2006, been self employed for 20 years this year.
meStevo
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

Even sarcastically it's wrong. Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls." The immigrant-related pieces are a small part of the ~$1 trillion. They cut the federal match for emergency care from 90% to the state's regular rate and end eligibility for some lawful immigrants like refugees. Most of the "savings" come from work requirements, more frequent eligibility checks, and provider tax limits, which hit citizens.

Either way, the cost doesn't disappear. It shifts to states, hospitals, and everyone else's premiums and will only serve to make issues like those raised in this thread worse.
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Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls."
That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

    • California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
    • Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]
    • Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]
    • New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]
    • Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
    • Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]
    • Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]
meStevo
That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

    • California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
    • Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]
    • Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]
    • New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]
    • Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
    • Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]
    • Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

Fair point, but it's consistent with what I said: no federal Medicaid money goes to undocumented immigrants. Those programs are state-funded, so the federal ~$1T cut can't touch them. Whatever states decide to do with their own programs is a separate budget decision.
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vazhog
The feds give money to the states for them to use - Cutting the fed funding only means the taxpayer savings will passed onto the states that need to make up the Fed dollars cut -See the list above for those states affected
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)
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Leftover wanton soup and pork fried rice. Water.
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Sweet tea…
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Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.
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Breakfast for lunch. Crispy corned beef hash, home fries, two over easy eggs and sourdough toast.

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Weird F1 weekend is already over with a Saturday race.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.