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Last reply Nov 27, 2016 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Echostar 18 Launch Approx 4:15 EDT June 18 2016

EchoStar 18 has been in storage for about a year, waiting for space on a launch vehicle.

It is now scheduled for launch June 8, 2016 from the Ariane Space Center at 20:30 (4:30 PM EDT)

It will then be stationed at ~67.1W for In Orbit Testing for an approximate 60 day test period.

Then it will move to the 61W orbital slot where it will provide backup or replacement spot beam service.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=1124801
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edit: went back and looked at the kmz files. There are 109 spot beams with between 1 and as many as 6 transponders on a beam (most have 1)

1: Updated Launch time.

2; Updated test longitude and permanent location 5/5/2016
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/ib/forms/reports/swr031b.hts?q_set=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number/=/SATSTA2016050400044&prepare=&column=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number

3:Updated test schedule. 6/28/2016
http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=1140937

4: Sat Mod for spare status at 61.5W. See Narrative for details. Referenced Schedule S has not yet been posted.
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/ib/forms/reports/swr031b.hts?q_set=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number/=/SATMOD2016072200067&prepare=&column=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number

5: Additional 30 days of testing to finish Sept 6.
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws...=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number

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zippyfrog

Jun 19, 2016

As Nelson said in post #183, there are 109 spotbeams and no ConUS beams. Just scanning "The List" right now, it appears on 61.5 that Transponders 1-17 are all ConUS. Does that mean that 17 transponders worth of ConUS channels need to be moved to 72.7? I do see the Ft. Wayne locals have their own ConUS transponder and that could easily be converted to a Spotbeam, but it would seem overall like Dish would lose a lot of ConUS space on EA if they made 61.5 purely spotbeam. I don't see any spotbeams on 72.7 - looks like all 32 transponders are ConUS.

Troch77

Jun 19, 2016

zippyfrog said:
As Nelson said in post #183, there are 109 spotbeams and no ConUS beams. Just scanning "The List" right now, it appears on 61.5 that Transponders 1-17 are all ConUS. Does that mean that 17 transponders worth of ConUS channels need to be moved to 72.7? I do see the Ft. Wayne locals have their own ConUS transponder and that could easily be converted to a Spotbeam, but it would seem overall like Dish would lose a lot of ConUS space on EA if they made 61.5 purely spotbeam. I don't see any spotbeams on 72.7 - looks like all 32 transponders are ConUS.

He is just speculating.
Nothing is etched in stone.
But IMO I don't see them moving E16 to the western arc.
It's pointless.

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bobvick

Jun 19, 2016

Troch77 said:
He is just speculating.
Nothing is etched in stone.
But IMO I don't see them moving E16 to the western arc.
It's pointless.

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I think I'd put more stock in Nelson's speculation than yours. Especially given the time he spends researching the Echostar birds and the time he devotes to making footprint maps for this site.

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Troch77

Jun 19, 2016

bobvick said:
I think I'd put more stock in Nelson's speculation than yours. Especially given the time he spends researching the Echostar birds and the time he devotes to making footprint maps for this site.

And?

They aren't going to take away a conus /spot beam satellite and replace it with a spot beam only satellite when the 72 is the only conus satellite on the Eastern arc.

So rather then again ,trying to put me in my place ,maybe you should research some stuff yourself instead of trying to play Sheriff.

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bobvick

Jun 19, 2016

Troch77 said:
And?

They aren't going to take away a conus /spot beam satellite and replace it with a spot beam only satellite when the 72 is the only conus satellite on the Eastern arc.

So rather then again ,trying to put me in my place ,maybe you should research some stuff yourself instead of trying to play Sheriff.

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Echostar 15 is CONUS only it will stay at 61.5 (it was previously located at 45w for an ill fated Brazilian DBS venture). Echostar 16 has CONUS and spotbeams. I assume they will locate it at 110W where E18 was first planned to be. At this point, it will provide probably nothing more than redundancy at the 110 orbital slot, where currently there is E11 a CONUS bird and E10 a spotbeam bird. With that at 61.5W they will have E12/R1 for redundancy and E16 at 110W for redundancy.
So, if you are saying that all will be left at 61.5 is E18 then sounds like you are the one that needs to do the research.
I see that you joined here in 2015, the main reason for my post was to highlight the fact that you made it sound (perhaps you didn't mean it that way) that Nelson61 did not have a very good idea of what he was talking about regarding his speculations, when the contrary is true. He has been a a member here since I believe, the beginning, and has made vast contributions to this site with spotbeam maps, etc... For "The List" and from the best I can tell reading his posts, is extremely knowledgeable about satellites in general.

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nelson61

Jul 1, 2016

Epoch updated and Parked at 67.2W
http://www.satellite-calculations.com/Satellite/last30days.php

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Troch77

Jul 1, 2016

nelson61 said:
Epoch updated and Parked at 67.2W
http://www.satellite-calculations.com/Satellite/last30days.php

Quick, Let me get my Superbuddy.
[emoji2]
I don't have the 67 Orbital Location.
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Just kidding , I'm Preparing for Allen when he freaks out and wonders why it's not at the 61.5.[emoji83]

But good to see everything so far so good.

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bobvick

Jul 23, 2016

Troch77 said:
Quick, Let me get my Superbuddy.
[emoji2]
I don't have the 67 Orbital Location.
[emoji30]

Just kidding , I'm Preparing for Allen when he freaks out and wonders why it's not at the 61.5.[emoji83]

But good to see everything so far so good.

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Are you from California? Just curious why you always refer to orbital slots as Californians do freeways.

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Bobby

Jul 23, 2016

bobvick said:
Are you from California? Just curious why you always refer to orbital slots as Californians do freeways.

Southern Californians do that, we in the north call them the same way most everyone else does. For instance, I live off 101 not the 101...

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long_time_Dish

Sep 19, 2016

What I don't get is the WA HD signal break-up at the slightest lousy weather...a light rain and it's practically unwatchable. Wasn't like this 6 months ago...

CostaRicaGuy

Nov 27, 2016

bobvick said:
Echostar 15 is CONUS only it will stay at 61.5 (it was previously located at 45w for an ill fated Brazilian DBS venture). Echostar 16 has CONUS and spotbeams. I assume they will locate it at 110W where E18 was first planned to be. At this point, it will provide probably nothing more than redundancy at the 110 orbital slot, where currently there is E11 a CONUS bird and E10 a spotbeam bird. With that at 61.5W they will have E12/R1 for redundancy and E16 at 110W for redundancy.
So, if you are saying that all will be left at 61.5 is E18 then sounds like you are the one that needs to do the research.
I see that you joined here in 2015, the main reason for my post was to highlight the fact that you made it sound (perhaps you didn't mean it that way) that Nelson61 did not have a very good idea of what he was talking about regarding his speculations, when the contrary is true. He has been a a member here since I believe, the beginning, and has made vast contributions to this site with spotbeam maps, etc... For "The List" and from the best I can tell reading his posts, is extremely knowledgeable about satellites in general.

I hope that you are right...and that ECHOSTAR 16 is moved to orbital position 110w ... I am in Costa Rica, Central America... and I can not get ECHOSTAR 16 at orbital position 61.5w... I believe that Spanish AMAZONAS 3 and AMAZONAS 4 @ 61W are generating interference to DN satellites...

Before, we were able to get 119w and 110w but now there are super weak...they do not even show up with a 3 meter offset satellite dish ...
I was looking at satbeams and ECHOSTAR 16's conus beam requires a 1.8 meter dish .. or 6 feet for signal reception or.. maybe less ...
Right now, we only have 77w ( 70 cm dish) and 72.7w ( 2.4m dish) ...

Regards,
Alberto

DishSubLA

Nov 27, 2016

Bobby said:
Southern Californians do that, we in the north call them the same way most everyone else does. For instance, I live off 101 not the 101...

Right, but are you old enough to remember when we NEVER referred to HWY numbers: it was "Hollywood Freeway," "San Bernardino Fwy, "Pomona Fwy" "Harbor Fwy"? I hadn't encounterd HWY numbers for locals referring to expressways until Chicago in the 1970's. Then by about the 1990's Hwy # seemed to catch on here as suburbs and exburbs boomed.

FWIW, "LA" was orgianlly used by locals ONLY in certain instances of reference, but then "LA" caught on so profoundly OUTSIDE of "LA" that most here still say "Los Angeles" in most circumstances, far more than outsiders who seem to only say "LA". It is one of my ways of easily finding out who is a visitor: way too much "LA" in their speak, except for our ding-dong Mayor who NEVER says "Los Angeles" but ONLY "LA, LA; LA; LA" it sounds so foreign, the way a visitor from outside would speak. It was an outsider (the brillian Peter Hemmings) who instituded the offical name of "LA Opera" rather than "Los Angeles in the name. The far older Los Angeles Philharmonic never considered "LA", but we do say "LA Phil" in infomal instances as we do LAPD, LADWP, LAFD; LADOT, for quick ease, but NEVER in formal instances nor used by politicians (except the ding-dong Mayor) in public discussion of issues. Meanwhile in the instance of the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportaion Authority (LACMTA) we just say "MTA" or even the stupid offical MTA forced upon us moniker or "Metro" never even using "LA" nor "Los Angeles," but many of us still stick with "MTA." Yet, wouldn't "LAMTA" (omitting the "C" for County) roll off the tounge? Funny

DishSubLA

Nov 27, 2016

long_time_DNC said:
What I don't get is the WA HD signal break-up at the slightest lousy weather...a light rain and it's practically unwatchable. Wasn't like this 6 months ago...

In my case, I have no problems with signal in the WA in most weather, only if a cloud is really dark, but certainly not the slightest of weather. However, I have too observed that it is does lose signal in LESS weahter than it used to over the last 15 years, and even family in the house has made that observation, so I agree that we do lose signal in WA in weather conditions that a few years ago was no problem.

I do beleive that when running 8PSK modulation scheme and MPEG4 and with greater compression which requires more FEC (and at re-using transponders out of phase, which decreases power even more as opposed to running just the 16 xpndrs), I believe it increases chances of losing packets and is less robust in poor weather, so power has to be increased to compensate, but that is a delicate balance: running sufficient power not to greatly reduce the life of the sat, but still powerful enough to get through bad weather. In other words, with modulation scheme and compression to provide more channels in good PQ with more FEC, there is a cost to how robust it is getting those packets through weather and still have a relatively long life to the satellite. Under such conditions, these birds will probably last 10+ years, not the full 15 years as advertised because that life is based upon less demanding configurations, and Dish has its sats in demanding configurations (using more power than ideal), but luck and good engineering could have these birds lasting close to 15 years, if demands are decreased near the end of life.

Bobby

Nov 27, 2016

DishSubLA said:
Right, but are you old enough to remember when we NEVER referred to HWY numbers: it was "Hollywood Freeway," "San Bernardino Fwy, "Pomona Fwy" "Harbor Fwy"? I hadn't encounterd HWY numbers for locals referring to expressways until Chicago in the 1970's. Then by about the 1990's Hwy # seemed to catch on here as suburbs and exburbs boomed.

FWIW, "LA" was orgianlly used by locals ONLY in certain instances of reference, but then "LA" caught on so profoundly OUTSIDE of "LA" that most here still say "Los Angeles" in most circumstances, far more than outsiders who seem to only say "LA". It is one of my ways of easily finding out who is a visitor: way too much "LA" in their speak, except for our ding-dong Mayor who NEVER says "Los Angeles" but ONLY "LA, LA; LA; LA" it sounds so foreign, the way a visitor from outside would speak. It was an outsider (the brillian Peter Hemmings) who instituded the offical name of "LA Opera" rather than "Los Angeles in the name. The far older Los Angeles Philharmonic never considered "LA", but we do say "LA Phil" in infomal instances as we do LAPD, LADWP, LAFD; LADOT, for quick ease, but NEVER in formal instances nor used by politicians (except the ding-dong Mayor) in public discussion of issues. Meanwhile in the instance of the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportaion Authority (LACMTA) we just say "MTA" or even the stupid offical MTA forced upon us moniker or "Metro" never even using "LA" nor "Los Angeles," but many of us still stick with "MTA." Yet, wouldn't "LAMTA" (omitting the "C" for County) roll off the tounge? Funny .

I am 72 years old, moving closer to 73. I moved as a boy to the San Fernando Valley in 1952. I graduated high school in 1961. I remember when there was only the San Bernadino, Pasadena, Hollywood, and Harbor Freeways. I drove on the Ventura Freeway when it was just a small section in 1960. I think I might remember a lot more than you....

dare2be

Nov 27, 2016

Bobby said:
I think I might have forgotten a lot more than you remember....

Fixed.

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Last reply Today at 2:16 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

A Google Partner Intentionally Installed Malware on their Android Set-Top Boxes

According to this article on The Verge, Videostrong Technologies based in Shenzen, China, placed a backdoor into 1.3 million of their devices and used this to deploy a botnet:

The infected devices were used without owners' knowledge for "malicious activity," like ad fraud, data exfiltration, and routing unauthorized network traffic. Google claims the "backdoor and botnet were intentionally developed, deployed, and operated for financial gain"

One of Google’s Android partners turned 1.3 million set-top boxes into a botnet

A manufacturer intentionally hijacked its Android TV devices.

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b4pjoe

Today at 12:41 PM

Another reason to never trust Google devices.

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Yespage

Today at 1:59 PM

b4pjoe said:
Another reason to never trust Google devices.

Correct. I only use Mom and Pop brand electronic devices like...

...umm...

... *sigh*

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dishdude

Today at 2:03 PM

b4pjoe said:
Another reason to never trust Google devices.

lol

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Today at 2:16 PM

'I bought these super cheap off-brand Android devices and got burned, now I'll never buy name brand stuff!'

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osu1991

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Last reply Today at 1:15 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.

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osu1991

Sunday at 7:39 PM

Such a scam. Healthcare.gov shows me cheaper individual plans available for 2027 from ambetter that ambetter doesn't show on their website. Looked it up. I've spent $68,000 in premiums the last 5 years and got nothing out of it except a few doctors visits and labs.

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dishstaller

Sunday at 8:15 PM

osu1991 said:
I've spent $68,000 in premiums the last 5 years

That's why I cancelled ours and just started saving the money. We're about to do the same thing with our home insurance.....not cancel it outright but do away with the portion which covers wind damage. We're paying over $5k right now and that is AFTER I dumbed things down...and it keeps going up. Got a couple trees I want to have taken down first before I do that however. After we do that, it will knock about $3k off our annual premium.

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harshness

Yesterday at 10:51 AM

dishstaller said:
not cancel it outright but do away with the portion which covers wind damage.

Other than fire, what other kinds of damage do you guys get down there?

dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:26 AM

harshness said:
Other than fire, what other kinds of damage do you guys get down there?

Not much else. Fire is the only thing I really worry about. I honestly didn't know I could remove wind coverage until someone told that they had....dropped their annual rate from $6,500 to $1,800. I'm currently paying $5,160.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 6:36 PM

dishstaller said:
Not much else. Fire is the only thing I really worry about. I honestly didn't know I could remove wind coverage until someone told that they had....dropped their annual rate from $6,500 to $1,800. I'm currently paying $5,160.

Does the Wind portion cover Hurricanes ?

dishstaller

Yesterday at 8:58 PM

Jimbo said:
Does the Wind portion cover Hurricanes ?

Yes. I covers ANYTHING wind related. If the wind blows down a tree on my roof...that is wind related.
That is why I want to take out a few trees first before I drop it.

I'm not worried about my roof. House was very solidly built and has hurricane straps. I put the metal roof on myself with the help of a friend and I recently replaced all of the outer screws with #12 2 in screws which I also dipped the tip in silicone before driving them in. Any other damage I'll fix myself like I did after Michael gave us a visit in 2018.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:13 PM

dishstaller said:
Yes. I covers ANYTHING wind related. If the wind blows down a tree on my roof...that is wind related.
That is why I want to take out a few trees first before I drop it.

I'm not worried about my roof. House was very solidly built and has hurricane straps. I put the metal roof on myself with the help of a friend and I recently replaced all of the outer screws with #12 2 in screws which I also dipped the tip in silicone before driving them in. Any other damage I'll fix myself like I did after Michael gave us a visit in 2018.

So, the Roof will stay, hopefully the rest of the house stays as well ... if the Hurricane decides to take the house and move it down the street, well at least the roof will go with it !

dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:49 PM

Jimbo said:
So, the Roof will stay, hopefully the rest of the house stays as well ... if the Hurricane decides to take the house and move it down the street, well at least the roof will go with it !

Why be such a smartbutt.
We went through a cat 5 hurricane.....the foundation is sound. Trees hitting the house are the only thing I am worried about when it comes to wind related damage.
IF you had actually been through multiple hurricanes like I have, you would know that most of the damage, unless you were stupid enough to build along the coast.....something ALL of our ancestors knew better than to do, is roof related. In a lot of cases the roof gives way and then the house suffers water damage due to the heavy rain.

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navychop

Today at 9:30 AM

I've had CTs etc within MINUTES of entering an ER (A&E).

In Canada, they publish wait times (months) for CTs. And track the number of deaths of such people while waiting.

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AZ.

Today at 10:30 AM

In 1993 they were trying to address healthcare, now the problem is a damn monster!.....We need more drs, and nurses to start. Rural hospitals are closing down left and right. It looks like my closest hospital(26 miles away) doesnt think they will make it through next year. The whole thing is a mess! And by the first of the year it will be on steroids!

hold on tight

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Keith Brannen

Today at 10:41 AM

navychop said:
I've had CTs etc within MINUTES of entering an ER (A&E).

In Canada, they publish wait times (months) for CTs. And track the number of deaths of such people while waiting.

CT scans in Canada are based on a priority rating, your ER visit and scan would have been a Priority 1 (Emergent) and been done fairly quickly (depending what the situation was) or at the very most, within 24 hours.

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harshness

Today at 10:47 AM

AZ. said:
We need more drs, and nurses to start.

That's a big ask, given the liability situation and the demands from the insurance companies. My podiatrist spends 20% more on liability insurance than I made in a year.

AZ.

Today at 10:56 AM

harshness said:
That's a big ask, given the liability situation and the demands from the insurance companies. My podiatrist spends 20% more on liability insurance than I made in a year.

Well the number of Drs is controlled. So it would make it more like what it was 60 or 70 years ago. Remember when they had their own offices? Easy to get an appointment? Seen asap when sick? Our emergency rooms do that now, and that adds to the price. We dont have many Drs out here lots of Nurse Practitioners, and Phyctian assistants. You hardly get seen by a Dr. But this is very rural area, maybe the big city is different? Left the city 20 years ago.

navychop

Today at 10:56 AM

Keith Brannen said:
CT scans in Canada are based on a priority rating, your ER visit and scan would have been a Priority 1 (Emergent) and been done fairly quickly (depending what the situation was) or at the very most, within 24 hours.

And yet…..

harshness

Today at 11:20 AM

AZ. said:
We dont have many Drs out here lots of Nurse Practitioners, and Phyctian assistants.

I've gone from an MD in the 1980s -> DO -> FPN -> PA-C.

The FPN went into teaching.

TRG

Today at 12:02 PM

dishstaller said:
Why be such a smartbutt.
We went through a cat 5 hurricane.....the foundation is sound. Trees hitting the house are the only thing I am worried about when it comes to wind related damage.
IF you had actually been through multiple hurricanes like I have, you would know that most of the damage, unless you were stupid enough to build along the coast.....something ALL of our ancestors knew better than to do, is roof related. In a lot of cases the roof gives way and then the house suffers water damage due to the heavy rain.

A good friend of mine is a general contractor. He has quite a large network of builders throughout the U.S. In certain parts of the country roof straps, brackets, clips are a code requirement now. Older homes can be upgraded if they have attic access. These roof reinforcing methods significantly strengthen roof integrity during high wind events.

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meStevo

Today at 1:03 PM

navychop said:
I've had CTs etc within MINUTES of entering an ER (A&E).

In Canada, they publish wait times (months) for CTs. And track the number of deaths of such people while waiting.

Except you're comparing emergency care - which is available just as quickly in Canada - to scheduled outpatient diagnostics.

The last 2 CTs I needed had to be scheduled 3-5 weeks out here as well.

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dishstaller

Today at 1:15 PM

TRG said:
A good friend of mine is a general contractor. He has quite a large network of builders throughout the U.S. In certain parts of the country roof straps, brackets, clips are a code requirement now. Older homes can be upgraded if they have attic access. These roof reinforcing methods significantly strengthen roof integrity during high wind events.

Ours was built in 1986. Hurricane clips weren't required then but the man who built it obviously had my mentality and had them put on anyway. Good thing he did because it would have been very hard to find home insurance without them.
When I was young and I was helping my Dad add onto our haybarn he would go to the lumber yards and get those metal straps they used to use bundling lumber. We would cut them and strap them over the rafters. He had been through a tornado years before and had seen barn roofs lifted right off.

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MorCowbell

Last reply Today at 12:38 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Saved OTA list on Dish can't be appended

I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?

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rvvaquero

Yesterday at 7:49 AM

MorCowbell said:
It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.

So, you want the ability to, for example, scan while your antenna is pointed to the east and save those channels to your list. Then, you want to scan again with the antenna pointed to the west, and add some of those channels to the list also while retaining the original channels you added from the east?

How would that work? If you move the antenna and some of your channels are no longer are accessible, there's no point in having them on the list. Unless, you want to re-point the antenna each time you switched from an east channel to a west channel and vice versa.

I suppose you could have one of those remote controlled antenna mast like we had back in the 60's. In that case, I can see your point. I think DISH has just designed the system to fit what the vast majority of users actually have. I'm guessing your situation is a pretty narrow use case scenario. I'm just really happy to be able to have my locals without having to pay the $17 month for them.

I just wish DISH would fix the remote control issue that the last few software downloads screwed up. I use the 54 remote and my Hopper is jumping around from off to on, from live to recording.......................like a Kangaroo.

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MorCowbell

Yesterday at 11:18 AM

To Dishstaller, I appreciate your compliment. That was an epic SNL skit !!

To RVvaquero, I appreciate your coments but everything you mention has been considered:

Firstly, I use OTA very rarely - mainly for sporting events.
Secondly, I'm well aware that, since certain channels may scan from one directon while others from another directions, and remembering the difference, for certain stations I will point the antenna in a suitable direction. Some stations come in for almost any direction. In my original list (which has now been discarded), I had about 18 OTA stations and all of them were scanned from the same antenna direction. Even so, the Dish receiver was very particular about ABC (local KOAT 007-01). In the new geographic setting, it gets KOAT easier. Several months ago, due to a contract dispute, CBS (formerly local KRQE on 013-01) was dropped; it hooked up with KOAT as KOATCB (007-04) which is the one station I really needed. But I had to rescan to get it ...

All of ths points to the flaw in Dish's OTA software that prevents scanned stations from simply being appended to a master saved list. The user should be left to manage antenna pointing per OTA station since in many areas (like mine), they don't all come in from the same direction.

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Bobby

Yesterday at 11:35 AM

MorCowbell said:
To Dishstaller, I appreciate your compliment. That was an epic SNL skit !!

To RVvaquero, I appreciate your coments but everything you mention has been considered:

Firstly, I use OTA very rarely - mainly for sporting events.
Secondly, I'm well aware that, since certain channels may scan from one directon while others from another directions, and remembering the difference, for certain stations I will point the antenna in a suitable direction. Some stations come in for almost any direction. In my original list (which has now been discarded), I had about 18 OTA stations and all of them were scanned from the same antenna direction. Even so, the Dish receiver was very particular about ABC (local KOAT 007-01). In the new geographic setting, it gets KOAT easier. Several months ago, due to a contract dispute, CBS (formerly local KRQE on 013-01) was dropped; it hooked up with KOAT as KOATCB (007-04) which is the one station I really needed. But I had to rescan to get it ...

All of ths points to the flaw in Dish's OTA software that prevents scanned stations from simply being appended to a master saved list. The user should be left to manage antenna pointing per OTA station since in many areas (like mine), they don't all come in from the same direction.

As rvvaquero mentioned, you are in a very small population who actually need to move their antenna to receive various TV channels. There are a few reasons why it is not advantageous for Dish to do what you are asking for. First and primary, there are anomalies in the software that can cause issues when you have scanned channels in the mix that have little or no signal. You get error pop ups and cannot watch any channel, OTA or satellite. I have seen these even with my antenna pointed to one direction. Second, you are asking Dish to adapt their software to your needs while the very vast majority don't need that. This is an expense that everyone is going to have to pay for while few gain any advantage.

Have you thought about adding a second antenna so that you are pointing at both directions to fulfill your needs. There are ways to do this and it would fulfill your individual need.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 2:18 PM

Televes makes an antenna signal combiner that will support ~~two~~ three different antennas pointing towards two different locations, and has filters to drop the signals from the channels that interfere with the 2nd antenna channels. This produces a signal that would contain all your receivable channels in one feed. It would probably cost less than a single antenna on a rotor controlled by a smart box that would relocate the antenna mast towards the TV station you wanted to tune in, plus it's instantaneous, without waiting for the antenna to slew towards its target.

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MorCowbell

Today at 12:38 PM

I appreciate your sentiments, Bobby but as a professional programmer for many years, a hallmark of good programing is robustness – anticipating user needs and, where practicable, adding the necessary coding structure. Knowing that Dish must have understood the nuances of antenna directionality on signal strength, it seems that an accommodation could have been made to append direction-dependent stations. Though I haven't seen the code, it would not have taken a lot of effort to make that accommodation. And as to you point about "First and primary, there are anomalies in the software that can cause issues when you have scanned channels in the mix that have little or no signal. You get error pop ups …", if a rogue station causes the issues you described, it can easily be removed.

Another hallmark of good programming is documentation. Dish decided not to release any documentation on the OTA process for users. A key part of such documentation would have been an explanation that when a rescan is performed and new stations are saved, the original OTA list is overwritten. This could have even been done with an onscreen dropdown warning. That would prevent users from finding this out the hard way.

Finally. piggybacking on RVvaquero's comment about the "remote control issue", I should add that I am having a similar issue. Ever since I used the Pairing Wizard to tailor control for my Samsung TV, I find that it sometimes takes not 1, not 2, but 3 presses of the On/Off button (several minutes apart) to finally kill the TV. This is kinda maddening and, as with OTA function, not discussed in any Dish documentation I've seen

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Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 12:31 PM · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/28/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261028.xlsx 1,878 KB

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coolman302003

Thursday at 5:38 PM

Monday 11/2 is a full slate for NBA League Pass as all 30 teams are playing and 14 out of 15 total games are on NBALP. Only one national TV game on Peacock/NBCSN (Thunder @ Cavs).

DirecTV is even having to use several MLB EI channels (from 745-748) and a NHL CI (770) channel to fit all of them in the guide close together. 5 games at 7:30 ET, 3 games at 8 ET, 2 games at 8:30 ET, 1 game at 9 ET, 3 games at 10 ET. Luckily NHL CI is light on Monday (3 games on CI).

DirecTV is providing both broadcast feeds for all League Pass games except Hornets, Magic, Bucks & Raptors that night. These are all teams that have local broadcasts via a OTA channel which is on spotbeams and have streaming deals (DTC) that are not exclusive DAZN teams which DirecTV just signed a deal with (à la Spurs, Grizzlies, Cavs, Pacers & T'Wolves). Its also very common that we don't get Raptors broadcast very often from TSN or Sportsnet Ontario on League Pass.

11/2/26 (MON) EASTERN	7:00 PM	7:30 PM	8:00 PM	8:30 PM	9:00 PM	10:00 PM
Peacock/NBCSN	Thunder @ Cavaliers
NBA League Pass	None	Pistons (745) @ Hornets	Kings (755) @ Mavericks (756)	Celtics (760) @ Rockets (761)	Trail Blazers (764) @ Nuggets (765)	Suns (769) @ Warriors (770)
		Hawks (746) @ Pacers (747)	Pelicans (757) @ Grizzlies (758)	Jazz (762) @ Spurs (763)		Raptors @ Clippers (766)
		Nets (748) @ Knicks (751)	Bucks @ T'Wolves (759)			Heat (767) @ Lakers (768)
		Wizards (752) @ Magic
		Bulls (753) @ 76ers (754)
		*No Hornets, Magic local broadcasts	*No Bucks local broadcast			*No Raptors local broadcast

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KyL416

Thursday at 6:56 PM

Only the Knicks, Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, Lakers, Warriors, Avalanche, Sharks and Bruins feeds will be using remaps of 24/7 RSNs that night. The rest will be relying on the part time feeds, including the Nuggets, Blackhawks and Kings who will be on their alt/overflow channels, and MSG Western NY will be live on channel 635-1 to carry Buffalo area ads during the Knicks game.

The NHL Network alternate will be live on channel 215-1 with Red Wings @ Panthers for those blacked out of Golden Knights @ Bruins on the main feed.

The Thunder @ Cavaliers game will be on one of Peacock Game Pass channels that night for commercial customers, they'll also have the back to back U-Conn Women's and Men's Basketball. One of the part time feeds will also be in use for WWE Raw via Joe Hand promotions.

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dtv757

Friday at 12:19 AM

I could be wrong but the only RSN we dont have is NBC SN Philadelphia .

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KyL416

Today at 5:48 AM

The Election HQ Mix is now live on channels 71, 200, 202-1, 307-1, 349-1, 356-1 and 360-1, there's also a red button app on CNN, NewsNation, BBC News, NewsMax, CNBC, MS Now, FOX Business and FOX News.

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Today at 12:31 PM

Any updates on CW Norfolk for sat

Thanks

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Last reply Today at 11:31 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th

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nelson61

Yesterday at 12:22 PM

Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 1:25 PM

nelson61 said:
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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MikeD-C05

Today at 9:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

So Charlie is going to sell out and give it all the Elon?

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Bruce

Today at 10:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Scott Greczkowski

Today at 10:21 AM

MikeD-C05 said:
So Charlie is going to sell out and give it all the Elon?

I would say yes, but he will stay on board with Elon somehow.

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Scott Greczkowski

Today at 10:22 AM

Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Bruce

Today at 11:30 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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rvvaquero

Today at 11:31 AM

If Musk did acquire DISH, he would just convert it to use his own satellites to deliver it. Might be easier than creating a new startup. Change my dish out to one which connects to Starlink? Who knows?

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 11:23 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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gms49ers

Today at 8:43 AM

Chasing Cars - Snow Patrol

sdfntx

Today at 9:14 AM

Night Patrol - Michael Martin Murphey

harshness

Today at 10:52 AM

Because the Night - Patti Smith Group

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Today at 11:07 AM

Fly By Night - Rush

Bobby

Today at 11:23 AM

Last Dollar (Fly Away) - Tim McGraw

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 11:07 AM · posted in TV Shows

Broadcast Networks Programming Discussion Thread

Link to Todays Broadcast HDTV Program Guide (updated daily from our friends at HDTV Magazine...)
Watched the last hour of the Today show in HD , Rockstar finale and CSI NY later...

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dfergie

Sep 17, 2026

Watch Big Brother, dvr The Traitors, check on football game and watch if it draws me in...

dfergie

Sep 29, 2026

MLB wild card games…

dfergie

Today at 10:33 AM

Will be avoiding the networks tonight for obvious reasons... might watch some classic NCIS to fill the gap.

reubenray

Today at 10:54 AM

dfergie said:
Will be avoiding the networks tonight for obvious reasons... might watch some classic NCIS to fill the gap.

This is why I record everything we watch. I have a lot of options instead of election crap.

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teachsac

Today at 11:07 AM

I'll catch up on the new SWAT series on Starz.

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