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gislands
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Hello all,
First off thanks for all the help and the advice over all the years. So I have an install scheduled for Saturday with a Hopper 3 and 3 Joey 2.0's I believe. I don't currently have any 4K TV's yet. I was just wondering if the speed and processing power difference is enough between the 4K Joeys and the 2.0 Joeys to make it worth just getting the 4k Joeys off the bat instead. Also how is the size footprint between the two. I can't find a picture of the 2.0's but have seen the 4K Joeys and it looks super small, flat and light.
Thanks!
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donebu
Are the Joey 2.0s coming with the 52.0 remote and the 4K Joeys with the older 40.0 remote? Has there been any word on when the 4K Joeys will come with the newer remotes? I would prefer the 52.0 remotes.
J
Are the Joey 2.0s coming with the 52.0 remote and the 4K Joeys with the older 40.0 remote? Has there been any word on when the 4K Joeys will come with the newer remotes? I would prefer the 52.0 remotes.
The 40.0 is a better remote IMO. I am not a fan of the press or press-and-hold dual function keys.
bigkahuna12c
The 40.0 is a better remote IMO. I am not a fan of the press or press-and-hold dual function keys.

Here here on the 40.0 remote. After spending the whole evening yesterday with the 52.0 remote I ended up pairing my 40.0 &
putting the 52.0 in a drawer
scottfee1122
So I got my "4k" setup Sunday.. Started the adventure withe my 2 hopper v1 + 2 joey v1 setup (wrangled out of them to get me back after trying sucky u-verse) So for the 4th time in 12m my 2nd hopper dies. call support ask for super. but why?? Explain 8 hour chating, 3 week, 3 box nightmare the 1st this happened, sorry.. bam.. new hopper v1 shipped..

All good, but wait what is this "hopper 3" thou speaketh of?? Heck I didn't know there was a hopper 2? So call sales, support is sending me my 4th pos hopper 1, I don't want another referb boat anchor tell me about the "best box ever". Yada.. yada.. best ever.. mkay.. lets do it..

WWWAAAIIITTT.. 1 hopper 3 joeys? Hmmm.. I had to pry my 2 hopper, 2 joey setup out of your cold dead hands, I want the same setup! No need the 16 tuner hopper is far superior, well can I speak to a super to confirm my upgrade is not a downgrade, "super will tell you the same"

So I agree, ok that'll be

$95 install..

Oh no you didnt!! Since the only reason I'm even talking 2 you is your craptacular box keeps dying, if you need to send a tech to get your snit to work right, that's your problem..

$95 fee waived..

Ok 2 days on a Sunday, good start.. Okay hopper 3 check, joey?? Hmm 3 "joey 2's" Who dat? Whadda you mean my new "4K" setup is really a One 4K + 3/1080 setup?? Grrrr... No one asked how many 4K tv's I had, no mention of "joey 2" never heard the term until I see the tech installing them, so Mr. tech what's the diff 4K vs joey 2? I just assumed my "4K" setup was all 4K? Uhh.. I just work here, they won't even give me a hopper 3 yet so your ??? = duhhhh...

Ok, lets see my new "upgrade" ok hopper 3.. mehhh.. Seems "ok" if you ignore the the ui designer being on crack..

Ok.. Settings.. people like settings.. mmm.. no settings button.. not a good start..

Home Tab
Up
Left
Enter
Down
Down
Left
Enter

And thar she blows!!! 1 key press into 8 now there's an "upgrade"

Ok tabs, home tab, lets go to Netflix, it's just over the hill, only one tab to the left, so 1 key press?

Left.. nothing
Left.. I said NO!
Ok
Home tab
Up
Left
Enter
Right
Right
Right
Right
Right
Enter
Brilliant design, just brilliant...

Ok channel up/down you can't screw that up can you?
YES WE CAN!!!
Ok lets add channel up/down, and lets put in the "carpel tunnel" position and now lets do my FAVORITE jack-hole design move.. Lets take YEARS of muscle memory that had up/down in the 4-way nav button and make the up/down do NOTHING.. YES NOTHING..

[RANT]
UNASSIGNED TOP LEVEL REMOTE BUTTONS!!!!
At least you don't give a DOINK like DTV But what moron said lets make 12.5% (4/32) of the top level buttons NON-FUNCTIONAL AAARRRRRGGGGGGG.....[/RANT]

Ok "joey 2" NO PIP EVER..
Mini-guide NON-FUNCTIONAL (the bottom channel nav. bar)

Sales.. Not happy, no one ever said "joey 2" no one said 4K/1080, I want the all "4K" setup I thought I was agreeing to in exchange for my 2 year/autopay commit. Aurgue.. Counter.. rinse.. repeat..Ok joey 4K? No problem..

$50 fee..

PROBLEM. I want the "4K system" I thought we had agreed to, not the 4K/1080 system that was never mentioned, and in my best "people's court" voice if it was not mentioned then we had no "meeting of the minds" and thus no contract.. So I want my 4k or come get your snit..

$50 fee waived..

Well, how about we waive $50 and give u 1 4k joey? Well, ok.. 3 and I would be in the haggle hall of fame, 1 was my target.. Ok $50 waived.. no problem that'll just be..

$95 for the install..

PROBLEM.. Are you serious!!! Have you not figured out in the last `1/2 hour who your dealing with.. These are not fees you are looking for..

$95 waived..

to be continued...
Scherrman
So I got my "4k" setup Sunday.. Started the adventure withe my 2 hopper v1 + 2 joey v1 setup (wrangled out of them to get me back after trying sucky u-verse) So for the 4th time in 12m my 2nd hopper dies. call support ask for super. but why?? Explain 8 hour chating, 3 week, 3 box nightmare the 1st this happened, sorry.. bam.. new hopper v1 shipped..

All good, but wait what is this "hopper 3" thou speaketh of?? Heck I didn't know there was a hopper 2? So call sales, support is sending me my 4th pos hopper 1, I don't want another referb boat anchor tell me about the "best box ever". Yada.. yada.. best ever.. mkay.. lets do it..

WWWAAAIIITTT.. 1 hopper 3 joeys? Hmmm.. I had to pry my 2 hopper, 2 joey setup out of your cold dead hands, I want the same setup! No need the 16 tuner hopper is far superior, well can I speak to a super to confirm my upgrade is not a downgrade, "super will tell you the same"

So I agree, ok that'll be

$95 install..

Oh no you didnt!! Since the only reason I'm even talking 2 you is your craptacular box keeps dying, if you need to send a tech to get your snit to work right, that's your problem..

$95 fee waived..

Ok 2 days on a Sunday, good start.. Okay hopper 3 check, joey?? Hmm 3 "joey 2's" Who dat? Whadda you mean my new "4K" setup is really a One 4K + 3/1080 setup?? Grrrr... No one asked how many 4K tv's I had, no mention of "joey 2" never heard the term until I see the tech installing them, so Mr. tech what's the diff 4K vs joey 2? I just assumed my "4K" setup was all 4K? Uhh.. I just work here, they won't even give me a hopper 3 yet so your ??? = duhhhh...

Ok, lets see my new "upgrade" ok hopper 3.. mehhh.. Seems "ok" if you ignore the the ui designer being on crack..

Ok.. Settings.. people like settings.. mmm.. no settings button.. not a good start..

Home Tab
Up
Left
Enter
Down
Down
Left
Enter

And thar she blows!!! 1 key press into 8 now there's an "upgrade"

Ok tabs, home tab, lets go to Netflix, it's just over the hill, only one tab to the left, so 1 key press?

Left.. nothing
Left.. I said NO!
Ok
Home tab
Up
Left
Enter
Right
Right
Right
Right
Right
Enter
Brilliant design, just brilliant...

Ok channel up/down you can't screw that up can you?
YES WE CAN!!!
Ok lets add channel up/down, and lets put in the "carpel tunnel" position and now lets do my FAVORITE jack-hole design move.. Lets take YEARS of muscle memory that had up/down in the 4-way nav button and make the up/down do NOTHING.. YES NOTHING..

[RANT]
UNASSIGNED TOP LEVEL REMOTE BUTTONS!!!!
At least you don't give a DOINK like DTV But what moron said lets make 12.5% (4/32) of the top level buttons NON-FUNCTIONAL AAARRRRRGGGGGGG.....[/RANT]

Ok "joey 2" NO PIP EVER..
Mini-guide NON-FUNCTIONAL (the bottom channel nav. bar)

Sales.. Not happy, no one ever said "joey 2" no one said 4K/1080, I want the all "4K" setup I thought I was agreeing to in exchange for my 2 year/autopay commit. Aurgue.. Counter.. rinse.. repeat..Ok joey 4K? No problem..

$50 fee..

PROBLEM. I want the "4K system" I thought we had agreed to, not the 4K/1080 system that was never mentioned, and in my best "people's court" voice if it was not mentioned then we had no "meeting of the minds" and thus no contract.. So I want my 4k or come get your snit..

$50 fee waived..

Well, how about we waive $50 and give u 1 4k joey? Well, ok.. 3 and I would be in the haggle hall of fame, 1 was my target.. Ok $50 waived.. no problem that'll just be..

$95 for the install..

PROBLEM.. Are you serious!!! Have you not figured out in the last `1/2 hour who your dealing with.. These are not fees you are looking for..

$95 waived..

to be continued...

Holy crap man! Would it hurt to do a little research before you get something new? If you would have done some research you would've been on here before you upgraded and know exactly what to so. You would also find out that you can use your old 40.0 remote from your Hopper 1 and use all those one button presses you are whining about not having. You would have heard that there was a Hopper 2 as well.

Do yourself a favor and hang around here for a while, you'll learn a lot.
B1gted
So if I have 1 hopper 3, and 3 Joey 2's and I want to upgrade one of the Joey 2's to a Joey 4k, do they have to come and install it, or can they just send it to me and I send them the joey 2 back?
Scherrman
So if I have 1 hopper 3, and 3 Joey 2's and I want to upgrade one of the Joey 2's to a Joey 4k, do they have to come and install it, or can they just send it to me and I send them the joey 2 back?

It's considered an upgrade and will require a tech to come out and install it along with renewing a 24 month commitment.
B1gted
It's considered an upgrade and will require a tech to come out and install it along with renewing a 24 month commitment.

Wow seems silly since I just upgraded and recommitted the 1st of Feb...
Scherrman
Wow seems silly since I just upgraded and recommitted the 1st of Feb...

It's possible you may be able to change your equipment within 30 days. You should contact DIRT and see what they say. I have always told my customers to make sure you know what you want right away because any equipment changes you want to make later will cost money and require signing a new contract. Any upgrade in equipment is suppose to require an install and renewal of contract unless you purchase and install it yourself.

If they didn't have this rule then people would be swapping out equipment all the time and Dish would lose a lot of money.
B1gted
It's possible you may be able to change your equipment within 30 days. You should contact DIRT and see what they say. I have always told my customers to make sure you know what you want right away because any equipment changes you want to make later will cost money and require signing a new contract. Any upgrade in equipment is suppose to require an install and renewal of contract unless you purchase and install it yourself.

If they didn't have this rule then people would be swapping out equipment all the time and Dish would lose a lot of money.

I definitely agree with your comments. Unfortunately coming from 2 HWS/2 JOEY setup, I really had no way of knowing that the JOEY 2.0 would be so slow. My family was used to their own HWS speed and now with just a JOEY 2, you can definitely feel/see the lag. So I am assuming that a JOEY 4K would ease their pain.

BTW, what is the easiest way to contact DIRT on here?
Scherrman
I definitely agree with your comments. Unfortunately coming from 2 HWS/2 JOEY setup, I really had no way of knowing that the JOEY 2.0 would be so slow. My family was used to their own HWS speed and now with just a JOEY 2, you can definitely feel/see the lag. So I am assuming that a JOEY 4K would ease their pain.

BTW, what is the easiest way to contact DIRT on here?

Go back to the Home page on here and look on the left. You should see helpers listed there. I believe there are two online now.
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xfoneguy
Here here on the 40.0 remote. After spending the whole evening yesterday with the 52.0 remote I ended up pairing my 40.0 &
putting the 52.0 in a drawer
I have 1 of each remote paired to my H3 but I find myself grabbing the old 40.0 more often than not - it just has too many "single button" functions to give up.
xfoneguy
Holy crap man! Would it hurt to do a little research before you get something new? If you would have done some research you would've been on here before you upgraded and know exactly what to so. You would also find out that you can use your old 40.0 remote from your Hopper 1 and use all those one button presses you are whining about not having. You would have heard that there was a Hopper 2 as well.

Do yourself a favor and hang around here for a while, you'll learn a lot.
I just can't say ENOUGH for all the help and information I've gotten from here.... I'm not even sure if I would have KNOWN about such a thing as the "Hopper3" yet, let alone have one up-and-running. Thank you ALL!!
gislands
It's weird to see one of my threads have "legs" and stick around on here for two weeks. Usually I get a couple of replies to answer my question and it disappears into oblivion. For what is worth, I am very glad I got the 4K Joeys. I can't even tell the difference between them and the Hopper 3 as far as speed. I know there is one due to the sheer size of the processor probably but to the human eye it is impossible to tell. The other thing is I am agreement with a lot of folks on here that the new remote is not even close to as useful as the old ones. Now in all honesty I can say some of that maybe just not wanting to adapt to something new but I am sure glad I got extra 40 remotes with the 4K Joeys (I kept my old ones also) instead of the new 52 that came with the Hopper.
So now I just wait for Sports Bar mode to go live. I currently do not have any 4K TV's but will most likely get one when that feature launches for the Hopper 3. I am actually actively shopping around for one.
Thanks again for all the help on here.
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I may be killing this thread, as I notice that I seem to have that effect...

I'll mirror the sentiment that I feel the $50 I paid for the 4K Joey was worth it. I think you could fit a dozen 4K Joeys in the space on my old ViP 211k receiver!
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Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

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Last of the Dogmen is my favorite of hers.
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Star Wars Despecialized Edition

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Just watched Napoleon. Good night.....all of those young men dying for the egos of their leaders. Now we can kill at a distance, back then you saw the man you were killing eye to eye.
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Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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Jimbo
Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
Howard Simmons
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.
Jimbo
But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.
Sorry, my point was the expense.
comfortably_numb
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.

Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.
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Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.
I guess if it was something I used on a regular basis, I suppose.
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In other Philo news..

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Oh boy, I can't wait! 😂
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'Rockford Files' Reboot Gets NBC Pilot Order

I grow tired of all the reboots. Most I don't bother with but will depend on the actor chosen.
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long_time_Dish
Yeah, I'll check it out as well, but shan't be holding my breath...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...
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...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...
I can think of a few actors (including some females) who might fit the bill.

This will all depend on the storyline. I'm not sure how well it will translate. Modern TV hasn't been all that kind to PIs and even less kind to CIs (confidential informants).
K
Premier is Saturday, Jan 2nd. Moving to Thursday on the 7th.
long_time_Dish

I wonder how they're/if they're going to do something like the answering machine message opening? It was always funny...
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Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.



View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4


Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.


View: https://youtu.be/iws3rh5vLAQ
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Kīlauea seems to be returning to the "normal" eruption script, impressive fountaining from the North Vent. For once, the V2 Cam has the best overall shot:
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The lava flows have covered a good portion of the Halemaʻumaʻu crater floor.
Foxbat
Looks like Episode 55 is over at 09:00 HST, just under six hours. The USGS said the fountains reached 720' or 220 meters.
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The USGS Kīlaeua Webcam #1 has been showing overflows and doming from the North vent overnight. Maybe the volcanic plumbing has settled back into its two-three week cycle of fountaining?

But I do miss the little cinder cone that broke up in the last episode.
Foxbat
Sorry, I should have posted these earlier:

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We're still waiting on the start of Episode 56.
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At 08:01 HST 11/05/2026, the North Vent produced what I would call a "wet burp" after the precursory "pistoning" events, small amounts of lava pouring out of the vent for a few seconds to minutes and then everything recedes. There must have been a gas bubble holding thing back because two minutes later the lava started flowing out of the vent in all directions. Then, at 08:25, it stopped. What a tease! I thought this was how Episode 56 started.

About 12 minutes later at 08:38, the North vent once again started overflowing and picked up steam at 08:42. By 09:00, slight doming could be seen in the pool of lava in the vent. Surely this is it!

But, 09:50 and things wind down again. By 09:57 HST there's just fumes coming out of the vent. Phooey.

But then 10:00 comes and the heavy lava flows kick in again. This time seems like the real deal. At 10:30 HST there's little spurts of lava flying up in the air over the vent, but more from gas than a steady fountain of lava. This looks promising!

11:30 HST and the color of the lava is definitely hotter, and the intensity has picked up to a definite dome and precursor to fountaining. The USGS calls Episode 56 as officially starting at 12:10 HST:

Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-11-05 22:29:12 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Thursday, November 5, 2026, 12:29 PM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H514
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 56 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 12:10 PM HST on November 5, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 56 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 12:10 PM HST on November 5, 2026.

Lava fountain heights are relatively low at about 100 ft (30 meters), but will likely increase. Ground-level sensors near the eruptive vents indicate that winds are blowing from the northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.
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I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd​ scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list. :mad:

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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dishstaller
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
dishstaller
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
Like I said.....that has been many years ago. Swapped my 722K for a Hopper in 2012.

It does seem like I remember having to delete the existing channels when we did a rescan. Back then our local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in. Got so bad that I stopped selling OR installing OTAs....something I had been doing since 1984 so you know it HAD to be pretty bad.
M
You made one of my points for me with this comment, Dishstaller:

"... local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in ..."
dennispap
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
I remember that also on my 722.
dishstaller
I remember that also on my 722.
Thanks.....has been too many years to remember clearly.
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Bobby
Keep in mind that the 722 had a built in OTA tuner and the 722K had a plug in module for OTA. The Hoppers and Wallys use an add on USB OTA dongle. I believe they are entirely different.
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osu1991
Finished the 2nd episode tonight. I'm really liking it so far.

Still hate weekly releases though, especially the way Disney and HBO do it waiting until 8pm to premiere it.
Foxbat
Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd🤓 since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.
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I'm expecting the finale to basically bring Vision into play for the Doomsday movie next month.
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osu1991
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
Foxbat
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
I thought they were effectively releasing a longer episode 7 and 8 instead of shorter episodes 7 & 8 this week and 9 & 10 next week. It felt like they were packing more into this episode.

edit: But you're right, the run time of the first three pairs of episodes was 100 minutes on average. Episode 7 clocks in at 65 minutes. 😕