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Almighty1 said:

As of the time of this post, these are the latest software versions for the following Android TV (ATV) devices:
Joey 4 P53301
Wireless Joey 4 P63301
Hopper Plus P13301

I upgraded my Hopper Plus from P13113 to P13301

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I have never did an update on my Joey 4s ever

jackson85 said:

I have never did an update on my Joey 4s ever

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Yoou don't do them. It just happens. The software is sent to the Hopper and when the Joey sees the new software it just grabs it.

jackson85 said:

I have never did an update on my Joey 4s ever

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It's a YMMV situation and the Joey 4s do not have the manual update option available according to others in this thread. My Hopper Plus in the last 3 years 3 months and 3 days exactly since I have had it had only updated the software once on February 27, 2026, all the other times, I had to update it manually. With that said, no one said you had to do it manually, whether you are up to date and not seriously behind is another issue altogether which you would not know without downloading ATV software on the Hopper 3's Technician Settings or look at the Hopper 3's Diagnostics screen in the Available Joey Software section to see if the P version number with the 5 digits after the P is bigger than what's installed. With that said, having Aspect Ratios and Multi-View features available sooner rather than later is a benefit but there can be risks in newer bugs or features that can be introduced. I only listed what version I updated from because there are times when I don't even check to see if I am on the latest version of software on the Hopper 3 and/or Hopper Plus which can be months or even years as it's low priority. I don't even use DISH except to check what chapter(s) the shows are broadcasting daily and actually watch it using TVBAnywhere North America from my phone by casting it to the Google Chromecast Ultra 4K since both the audio and the video is higher quality than DISH and I don't have to sit there within 45 minutes of it being streamed.

jackson85 said:

I have never did an update on my Joey 4s ever

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the joey 4 reboots on it's own

I actually think it looks pretty good tbh.

First 2 eps out and it's unsurprisingly great to watch Paul Bettany and James Spader work.

Watched the first episode and enjoyed it.

James Spader gets the best lines so far. I'm enjoying this series.

Finished the 2nd episode tonight. I'm really liking it so far.

Still hate weekly releases though, especially the way Disney and HBO do it waiting until 8pm to premiere it.

reubenray said:

So there is no chance of a deal for Paramount+ and HBO Max? I have Paramount+ already.

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The name is being changed to Skydance and all of Paramount+, Showtime, DIscovery+, and HBO MAX streaming content is rumored to be merged into one streaming service.

b4pjoe said:

The name is being changed to Skydance and all of Paramount+, Showtime, DIscovery+, and HBO MAX streaming content is rumored to be merged into one streaming service.

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So, what happens if you only want 1 or 2 of those, can you still get them individually ?

Jimbo said:

So, what happens if you only want 1 or 2 of those, can you still get them individually ?

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The samething when you only wanted one or 2 channels on cable

Juan said:

The samething when you only wanted one or 2 channels on cable

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Not hardly ....
I'm not trying to get 200 channels.

Jimbo said:

Not hardly ....
I'm not trying to get 200 channels.

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But Paramount has a different agenda..to empty your wallet

Juan said:

But Paramount has a different agenda..to empty your wallet

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There's a lot of that going around these days. It seems every time I turn around my Youtube Premium is going up another dollar.

dishstaller said:

There's a lot of that going around these days. It seems every time I turn around my Youtube Premium is going up another dollar.

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use an adblocker

slow_poke_pete said:

use an adblocker

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There on no ad blockers on my TV. Some people prefer watching content on a TV.

b4pjoe said:

There on no ad blockers on my TV. Some people prefer watching content on a TV.

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There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.

ncted said:

There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.

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Do say, How?

ncted said:

There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.

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I am not willing as they keep changing the data and you keep having to block everything all over again. That is why I get the ad-free versions of the streaming services I use which includes Youtube.

b4pjoe said:

I am not willing as they keep changing the data and you keep having to block everything all over again. That is why I get the ad-free versions of the streaming services I use which includes Youtube.

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That is pretty much my take as well. At this point in my life I am willing to spend $$ to make my life more simple.

MikeD-C05 said:

Do say, How?

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Pihole

Foxbat said:

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

www.apple.com

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It has 128 gb of storage and one gigabit ethernet both just like the Gen 3. I would not have upgraded at the current $249 price of the gen 3 so I surely will not be getting the $299 gen 4 device. I will ride my gen 3 that I paid $149 for until it dies. This is the most underwhelming device I have ever seen Apple release.

b4pjoe said:

This is the most underwhelming device I have ever seen Apple release

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That could be said for most of their hardware and software these days. They don't innovate anymore.

comfortably_numb said:

They don't innovate anymore.

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They're putting all their efforts into the Holosuite.

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

I've saved a boatload of money!

Ronnie- said:

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.

back up to $4 this morning

Regular$6.299​
Premium$6.699​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​

Regular$6.199​
Premium$6.599​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​

Allsups on south end was $4.21 this morning (a drop), Monday prices were $4.19 - $4.35.

Today.

Two bugs out and three new bugs in.

Updated to H713 on a Hopper 3 from H712 with Hopper Plus a few hours earlier.

It brought a old problem back:

One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software.

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency but it's broken again.

Rick Durham and brittanygarden

cpdretired said:

Two bugs out and three new bugs in.

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Yep. Just got a call from a customer who said her DVR buttons stopped working. Told her about the new software and had her reboot her H3, problem solved.

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

Two more issue(s) with H713:

#1
H713, H712, H711 and earlier version(s) is that there are times when a streaming channel has failed and going to another streaming channel will only show the DISH icon downloading but it never gets past that. The fix is to view a satellite channel first and then the streaming channels will work again. This is on a Hopper 3 (Software H712) with Hopper Plus (Software P15317).

#2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not.

Almighty1 said:

Updated to H713 on a Hopper 3 from H712 with Hopper Plus a few hours earlier.

It brought a old problem back:

One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software.

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency but it's broken again.

Rick Durham and brittanygarden

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i can still see my joey software version with H713.. i am starting to think it's time to get rid of the hopper plus. i just have 2 joey 4's and the hopper 3 with no issues. it seem like the people that have the hopper plus have issues!!!

slow_poke_pete said:

i can still see my joey software version with H713.. i am starting to think it's time to get rid of the hopper plus. i just have 2 joey 4's and the hopper 3 with no issues. it seem like the people that have the hopper plus have issues!!!

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Are you talking about the Available Joey Software section which goes something like this:
Available Joey W153 W209 J613 J713 J813 K113 J913
Software
in H713 in diagnostics which is directly below the "Switch" section which is what I am referring to that should have a number starting with P which is needed for the
Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4
or the top area where it shows what the current version of the software is for the Hopper 3?

Seeing what your Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 software version just tells you what is the current software version already installed, until the P version(s) shows up in "Available Joey Software" section which is different for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4, Wireless Joey 4 and it will only list one for the device(s) that exist in one's own configuration which lists what's the latest available, those devices will not be able to check or update their software as it will say "Failed: No Tgt" while "Download ATV Files" in TECHNICIAN SETTINGS under tools will respond with:
"Download ATV Files 3000
This device is not currently targeted for
Android software"
as both are dependent on the P version being listed in the "Available Joey Software" section. It usually takes a few minutes before it shows up. I know with H710-H712, it was not shown and the Download ATV Files worked except since H710, even if you selected everything shown which for me would be the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 versions, the first download will as a end result only download the Hopper Plus's versions even though it shows all three as downloaded based on what Available Joey Software shows which is always two P numbers P153 and P15317. After the first successful download, the next download will actually download all three and Available Joey Software will reflect that. In H708 (H709 was skipped as no one mentioned it on the forums) and earlier, it always downloaded everything selected and would show 6 P versions in the Available Joey Software area. The Available Joey Software section is how I tell if there is a newer software available for the Hopper Plus and when I see that, I do the Download ATV files first which is where I get my information to post in my other thread, "Latest available software version for Android TV devices - Hopper Plus, Joey 4, Wireless Joey 4". The Download ATV files does not do any install or update the Hopper Plus as I still need to manually hit Menu, Settings, Device Preferences, About, Software Update to update the software.

So with any new Hopper 3 software update, the first things I will check is the Notifications in Settings to see if any of the settings were reset. For the "Remote Control Mode Reminder" setting, I would try it with off, exit notifications then hit TV on the side of the remote to make sure it does not show the reminder before going to notifications andputting it back to on, exit to see if it works correctly before going back to notifications for the other settings. Then I would look at Available Joey Software and regardless if the 2 P versions, one appears to be the 3 digit major version number and the other is the full 5 digit number which is the 3 digit major version number with 2 more digits, exists or not. Attempt to do the Download ATV Software for all 3 Android TV devices Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 until all of them is downloaded and shown in Available Joey Software which should be a total of 6 things added. If Download ATV Software has the no target like since H713, I will wait until I see a P version before I do it.

For reference, it's in the following threads:

dishstaller said:

Yep. Just got a call from a customer who said her DVR buttons stopped working. Told her about the new software and had her reboot her H3, problem solved.

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Reboot just fixes it for a short time and then it's back to messed up

Try going exclusively to an IR remote and you will see the pain

Almighty1 said:

Updated to H713 on a Hopper 3 from H712 with Hopper Plus a few hours earlier.

It brought a old problem back:

One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software.

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency but it's broken again.

Rick Durham and brittanygarden

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Within the last few hours as I did check earlier today when it was still missing, the Available Joey Software line now has added "P154 P15403" which is for the Hopper Plus that I have but my Hopper Plus software is still on P15317, I will do a Download Android TV (ATV) Software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey which are all Android TV devices and then manually do a check update on the Hopper Plus to update the software shortly.

That would pinpoint it to the H3 that is the problem. Are both H3's on the same software version now and before? Did the system check actually do the full EHD test like the one below?

Almighty1 said:

That would pinpoint it to the H3 that is the problem. Are both H3's on the same software version now and before? Did the system check actually do the full EHD test like the one below?

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That didn't appear on the system check I ran on it. How do you trigger that test?

JohnGalt1234 said:

That didn't appear on the system check I ran on it. How do you trigger that test?

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They are both currently listed at V. H711 bootstrap V 1117 but the dates (are those install dates or V dates?) Are 9/5/2026 on naughty H3 and 8/15/2026 on nice one.

JohnGalt1234 said:

That didn't appear on the system check I ran on it. How do you trigger that test?

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Not sure but it's supposed to do it periodically even though some people have been complaining on reddit for a few months that it's doing it on every nightly reboot and it's causing them to not sleep.

JohnGalt1234 said:

They are both currently listed at V. H711 bootstrap V 1117 but the dates (are those install dates or V dates?) Are 9/5/2026 on naughty H3 and 8/15/2026 on nice one.

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The current version is H713 but many people had been having issues with versions H711, H712, H713 which includes Remote issues - both the original DISH branded remotes and also when they use third party remotes that uses IR. There is also the support for the OTA single tuner dongle that stopped working, I forgot if that problem started with H710 or was it H711.

I had a BUD in the 80's before the little small dishes started showing up. The signals were unsrambled and then I had to get a monthly code.

Hand crank 10' fiberglass dish with the satellites marked with pencil on the jack, LNA ... (after a while I'd have to move my pencil marks)

This is an ad a local satellite company ran back in the day. The guy doing the talking was Red Holland. He was a serious cut-up and made this guy a fortune with these looney ads.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWTxaPkh21E

dfergie said:

Hand crank 10' fiberglass dish with the satellites marked with pencil on the jack, LNA ... (after a while I'd have to move my pencil marks)

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I had it made then I had a power actuator. I just had to push the buttons. I lived in a mobile home when I first got the BUD and when I built a new house on the same lot I wired everything from the BUD to the house. I was the envy of the neighborhood.

Scott Greczkowski said:

View: https://youtu.be/2B6vCcmvnJc?si=i-ewdyqeAwBWEPgR

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Only 28 years ago and look how different things are now.

I forgot about the tv antenna rotator to change polarity…

reubenray said:

I had a BUD in the 80's before the little small dishes started showing up. The signals were unsrambled and then I had to get a monthly code.

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You mean you were pirating the VCII and entering "Wizard numbers" every month after key change? GI finally resorted to changing out the keys twice as often, then even more often, down to just hours, making it mostly untenable?