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Outdoor antenna placement and setup

Hi, I believe there is a section of the FCC law that says the mast can be up to 12 feet above the roof line? I own my home but the neighbors are a concern.

Does anyone know how a coupler is best used vs a splitter?

I am ganging up 3 of the same boost waves yaggies to receive 3 separate towers fro Syracuse, NY at my home southwest of Utica, NY. Have used Antenna Fool. Not sure if all 3 would need to be connected to the coupler? I am sending this to 4 rooms.

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Hi, I believe there is a section of the FCC law that says the mast can be up to 12 feet above the roof line?
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Not particularly accurate.
FCC OTARD said:
Q: What restrictions are permitted if the antenna must be on a very tall mast to get a signal?

A: If you have an exclusive use area that is covered by the rule and need to put your antenna on a mast, the local government, community association or landlord may require you to apply for a permit for safety reasons if the mast extends more than 12 feet above the roofline. If you meet the safety requirements, the permit should be granted. Note that the Commission's rule only applies to antennas and masts installed wholly within the antenna user's exclusive use area. Masts that extend beyond the exclusive use area are outside the scope of the rule. For installations on single family homes, the "exclusive use area" generally would be anywhere on the home or lot and the mast height provision is usually most relevant in these situations. For example, if a homeowner needs to install an antenna on a mast that is more than 12 feet taller than the roof of the home, the homeowners' association or local zoning authority may require a permit to ensure the safety of such an installation, but may not prohibit the installation unless there is no way to install it safely. On the other hand, if the owner of a condominium in a building with multiple dwelling units needs to put the antenna on a mast that extends beyond the balcony boundaries, such installation would generally be outside the scope and protection of the rule, and the condominium association may impose any restrictions it wishes (including an outright prohibition) because the Commission rule does not apply in this situation.
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OTARD allows for pretty much whatever is needed in an "exclusive use area" but it doesn't excuse you from a jurisdictional requirement for a "safety permit"/building permit.
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But for simple argument the rule is 12 feet above the roof line you are covered
Anything above that you are not covered as it clearly says in OTARD

Its like when I had my 2 6 foot dishes at my house. Sure I wasnt covered by OTARD but I was able to have them (being president of the HOA may have had something to do with it) ;)
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There are vanishingly few simple arguments in HOAs and the like.

OTARD says you can have whatever height you need but it doesn't exempt you from building codes. It should be an uphill battle for an HOA that establishes its own "safety code" as the rule requires that restrictions be based on identified safety issues.

The Santa Rosa, California building code department has a tidy explanation:

http://ci.santa-rosa.ca.us/departme...n/Pages/Radios,TelevisionandDishAntennas.aspx

It is also notable that the 12 foot rule has more to do with mast height than altitude as masts are only covered up to 12 feet in height and not simply "12 feet above the roof" as you generalized. Ground-mounted masts aren't exempt if they are more than 12 feet in height above the ground. Further, the 12 foot rule applies only to single antenna configurations; masts with more than one antenna attached is NOT covered. Antennas on greater than two-story homes are NOT covered. Masts must NOT be taller than their distance from the property line. There's some stuff about proximity to utility lines as well. There are several gotchas in there so it is rarely a no-brainer.

There is also an exception in OTARD for historic districts (as they wouldn't have contemplated a TV antenna when they were built).
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again for simplicity (and to answer the OP's question) again form OTARD

If you have an exclusive use area that is covered by the rule and need to put your antenna on a mast, the local government, community association or landlord may require you to apply for a permit for safety reasons if the mast extends more than 12 feet above the roofline.

So as long as its no more than 12 feet above the roofline he is covered. No permits needed. But since the OP hasnt given us his tvfool to see what he is working with we can just speculate
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Iceberg said:
So as long as its no more than 12 feet above the roofline he is covered. No permits needed. But since the OP hasnt given us his tvfool to see what he is working with we can just speculate
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The TS asked for confirmation of an OTARD protection. Using a Q&A or FAQ as a basis for an legal position is pretty swampy legal ground.

A tvfool chart isn't the final answer as it represents a prediction and not a measurement.

To the topic, we don't even know whether there are any restrictions from applicable jurisdictions as the TS said only that they were concerned about "neighbors". Since that is the leading question, unless there is a covenant tied to the deed or local building codes are somehow in play, OTARD says the neighbors have to live with whatever is "necessary".

I'd have to guess that three separate antennas would not be necessary at 55 miles as all of the Syracuse towers seem to be within a few degrees (less than 5) of each other from the Utica perspective.
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

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Strange Days - Nazareth
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Dancing in the Street - Van Halen
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Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
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long_time_Dish said:
Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
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Let me fix that for you:
Baker Street - Gerry Rafferty
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All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
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Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
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can't forget the little blue m&m's
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can't forget the little blue m&m's
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That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.
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But how is it reusable if it's disposable
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That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
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My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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He does not have the resources aka $$$ compared to Elon Musk as in reality, Elon can eat Charlie for lunch or even mop the floor with Charlie if he wanted to.
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osu1991
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Dune (2020)

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Also watched part 2 about a week or so ago after rewatching part 1. It's not as faithful to the book as I was hoping for. Part 1 stayed fairly faithful to the novel, but part 2 took some liberties that I felt were rather excessively non-novel. It looks like a prequel series will happen before part 3. My issue is: there's no prequel that was written as a novel, so what will it be pulled from? Or will it just be "based loosely" on the novel?
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long_time_DNC said:
Also watched part 2 about a week or so ago after rewatching part 1. It's not as faithful to the book as I was hoping for. Part 1 stayed fairly faithful to the novel, but part 2 took some liberties that I felt were rather excessively non-novel. It looks like a prequel series will happen before part 3. My issue is: there's no prequel that was written as a novel, so what will it be pulled from? Or will it just be "based loosely" on the novel?
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There is a bunch of other Dune written by Kevin J Anderson and Brian Herbert (Franks son). I think the series in production is taken from one of their books about the Bene Gesserit.
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klang said:
There is a bunch of other Dune written by Kevin J Anderson and Brian Herbert (Franks son). I think the series in production is taken from one of their books about the Bene Gesserit.
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Correct. I've read all of them (yes, it took awhile, better part of a year, in my spare time). And they can't really consider or classify a series about the Bene Gesserit as a prequel. Sure, I suppose they can call it that, if they want to, because it begins before the time of Paul Atredies, but it's still a stretch. It's a Dune-related novel, not a prequel as we generally think of prequels...
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Well, it looks good! I just hope they stayed close to the trilogy, but it doesn't look like it.
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MacBreak Weekly 1048

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Linux 7.3 Optimizes Gaming VRAM on 8GB GPUs #shorts

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House Passes AM Radio For Every Vehicle Act

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(Washington, DC) - The U.S. House has passed the AM Radio for Every Vehicle Act, marking a major step forward for broadcasters and listeners who have pushed to keep AM radio available in new cars and
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It's probably been 2 decades since I've listened to an AM radio station. Very rarely listen to FM any more.
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I am 1 that wants the AM to Stay ....
That said, since '08 I have had Sat radio available to me ... I think I have turned on AM 3 or 4 times, just to see if its still there.

Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Even FM, I haven't really had on since '13ish, I may turn it on from time to time, just to see if its still there.
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Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
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Automation has seen to that. You can't get evening drive traffic reports where I live, much less disaster reports.
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Very rarely listen to FM any more
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That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
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That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
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Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
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Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
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No, just regular FM stations. One is the country station I mentioned and the other is a Talk Radio station which used to get fantastic results but honestly, since the death of Rush Limbaugh, talk radio just doesn't do as well. There were two guys who had an early morning show which was hugely popular here in the southeast but one of them retired a couple years ago and the show just doesn't garner the same numbers as it used to.
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Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


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IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
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But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.
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comfortably_numb said:
Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


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most carriers do. that's why they send updates that slow phones down!! i buy unlocked phones no effect to me
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IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
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But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.
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hope you have apple care a screen job is 1000.00 :oops:. can we say over priced garbage!!!
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Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.
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harshness said:
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.
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Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
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