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Last reply Mar 13, 2016 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Goodbye Dish Network

I was just told by a DISH DIRT rep that I can't have my Hopper 3 and my VIP 722K on the same account. I'm on the phone now with a customer support rep and she is saying the same thing. Until this morning it was fine to have my 722K on the same account. Another DIRT rep said nothing about the 722K when I asked him to check the charges for my new Hopper 3.

The DIRT rep this morning and the customer service rep says that a Hopper 3 and the 722K doesn't fit Dish's business model for the Hoppers.

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Troch77

Mar 11, 2016

JSheridan said:
Probably because you can only have 1 Genie per account. That's only 5 tuners. With DISH you can multiple Hopper 1's and 2's or 16 tuners with a Hopper 3.

Well you can also use Hr2*s and H2* with it.
I've already had a HR34,24,23,25,C31 on the same account and they are all able to record and share playlists.

I think that what is being questioned why Dish couldn't have done this with the hopper.
But it's fairly simple dish didn't make a swm8,swm16 or swm 32.
And VIPs don't work with nodes.

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JSheridan

Mar 11, 2016

Troch77 said:
Well you can also use Hr2*s and H2* with it.
I've already had a HR34,24,23,25,C31 on the same account and they are all able to record and share playlists.

I think that what is being questioned why Dish couldn't have done this with the hopper.
But it's fairly simple dish didn't make a swm8,swm16 or swm 32.
And VIPs don't work with nodes.

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This is getting circular. I just said that's probably why DirecTV has their recent DVR's see each other, because you can only have 1 Genie per account. With DISH you can have as many Hoppers as you want basically and they didn't have to make the Hopper backwards compatible with the old technology.

Troch77

Mar 11, 2016

JSheridan said:
This is getting circular. I just said that's probably why DirecTV has their recent DVR's see each other, because you can only have 1 Genie per account. With DISH you can have as many Hoppers as you want basically and they didn't have to make the Hopper backwards compatible with the old technology.

Well I'm not sure you can have as many hoppers as you want.
3 hopper setup is a mess for lack of a better term.
And the 3rd Hopper has to be bought.
And that is a Troubleshooting nightmare which is exactly why Dish doesn't want anything to do with supporting 3rd and 4th hopper setups.
Plus now your talking about $12-15 a shot.

This was definitely not Ideal by any means except for the gadget geeks.

Which most likly has alot to do with why you see a 16 Tuner Hopper to this day.

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JSheridan

Mar 11, 2016

Troch77 said:
Well I'm not sure you can have as many hoppers as you want.
3 hopper setup is a mess for lack of a better term.
And the 3rd Hopper has to be bought.
And that is a Trouble shooting nightmare which is exactly why Dish doesn't want anything to do with supporting 3rd and 4th hopper setups.
Plus now your talking about $12-15 a shot.

This was definitely not Ideal by any means except for the gadget geeks.

Which most likly has alot to do with why you see a 16 Tuner Hopper to this day.

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It's only a 'trouble shooting nightmare' for amateurs.

If you guys like the DirecTV setup so much better then please, go get DirecTV.

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Troch77

Mar 11, 2016

JSheridan said:
It's only a 'trouble shooting nightmare' for amateurs.

If you guys like the DirecTV setup so much better then please, go get DirecTV.

Really??? people are just talking.
And you really think Dish want to pay you to sit and trouble-shoot a Guy with 2 Dpp44s, 3 Hoppers 2 Nodes and yet all the f connectors .

Or would dish rather pay you to troubleshoot a single Duo Node or single HUB?

Geesh can't understand why Dish doesn't support a 3rd hopper setup.[emoji57]

As far as Liking directv better.
Really has nothing to do with what being discussed, but the Swm Technology.......
Well directv had a Full proof Swm Technology for years now, that enables you to utilize 8,16, tuners with a switch the size of a DPP44.
You can be in denial of some things, But Dish has been chasing this type of technology for years.
And IMO they did it, Finally.

I bet if I had a 3 or 4 Hopper setup now, That Dish tech would be scratching his head and his balls wonder what the heck he was even looking at.

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charlesrshell

Mar 11, 2016

Troch77 said:
Really, people are just talking .
And you really think Dish want to pay you to sit and trouble shoot a Guy with 2 Dpp44s, 3 Hoppers 2 Nodes and yet all the f connectors .

Or would dish rather pay you to troubleshoot a single Duo Node or single HUB.

Geesh can't understand why Dish doesn't support a 3rd hopper setup.[emoji57]

As far as Liking directv better.
Well directv had a Full proof Swm Technology for years now, that enables you to utilize 8,16, tuners with a switch the size of a DPP44.
You can be in denial of some things, But Dish has been chasing this type of technology for years.
And IMO they did it, Finally.

I bet if I had a 3 or 4 Hopper setup now, That Dish tech would be scratching his head and his balls wonder what the heck he was even looking at.

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DISH Tech wouldn't be scratching his head if taught how to troubleshoot 3 or 4 Hopper setup. I think DISH should have included the more than two Hoppers setups from the beginning. There are customers that want them and I bet small businesses and apartments too.

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Troch77

Mar 11, 2016

charlesrshell said:
DISH Tech wouldn't be scratching his head if taught how to troubleshoot 3 or 4 Hopper setup. I think DISH should have included the more than two Hoppers setups from the beginning. There are customers that want them and I bet small businesses and apartments too.

Again though , who's fault is that?
And I bet that's why we have a 16 Tuner Hopper today.
Apparently the old system was an issue.

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JSheridan

Mar 11, 2016

Troch77 said:
Again though , who's fault is that?
And I bet that's why we have a 16 Tuner Hopper today.
Apparently the old system was an issue.

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Yea right. The whole reason for a new receiver that's super fast with 16 tuners is because their installers were having a problem with multiple Hoppers. That's a stretch even for this ridiculous thread.

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Dr.Pepper

Mar 12, 2016

JSheridan said:
Yea right. The whole reason for a new receiver that's super fast with 16 tuners is because their installers were having a problem with multiple Hoppers. That's a stretch even for this ridiculous thread.

Actually this was a common tech complaint. Went to too many
trouble calls with two hoppers and it just seem like there was just too much "stuff" going on for the system to handle and nothing could be done to really fix it. I believe "stretched too far" is the cliche I'm looking for.

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JSheridan

Mar 12, 2016

Dr.Pepper said:
Actually this was a common tech complaint. Went to too many
trouble calls with two hoppers and it just seem like there was just too much "stuff" going on for the system to handle and nothing could be done to really fix it. I believe "stretched too far" is the cliche I'm looking for.

Never had that problem. We've got customers with 4 Hoppers and multiple Joeys and everything works great.

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Troch77

Mar 13, 2016

JSheridan said:
Never had that problem. We've got customers with 4 Hoppers and multiple Joeys and everything works great.

Works great on emptying their wallet too.
Let's see 4 Hoppers alone $48-60 a month alone on hopper fees .
Let's see a picture of that install.[emoji6]
Hopefully it doesn't look like this.

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JSheridan

Mar 13, 2016

Troch77 said:
Works great on emptying their wallet too.
Let's see 4 Hoppers alone $48-60 a month alone on hopper fees .
Let's see a picture of that install.

Hopefully it doesn't look like this.

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The install looks and works great and the customer doesn't care how much it costs because they've got plenty of money.

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Troch77

Mar 13, 2016

JSheridan said:
The install looks and works great and the customer doesn't care how much it costs because they've got plenty of money.

Hopefully it's in their basement, and not stuck on the outside of their Million Dollar house.[emoji6]
I at least have an area outside, that I don't have to put things on the house, but most of my technical stuff is in the basement.

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May 11, 2026

January? OK.

I'm sure I will check it out. Not getting my hopes up but I did enjoy the actor in SEAL Team. Never saw any of his earlier work.

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Yeah, I'll check it out as well, but shan't be holding my breath...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...

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...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...

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This will all depend on the storyline. I'm not sure how well it will translate. Modern TV hasn't been all that kind to PIs and even less kind to CIs (confidential informants).

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MorCowbell

Last reply Today at 4:49 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Saved OTA list on Dish can't be appended

I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?

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dishstaller

Tuesday at 9:42 PM

I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.

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n0qcu

Yesterday at 10:41 AM

dishstaller said:
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.

I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:11 AM

n0qcu said:
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list

Like I said.....that has been many years ago. Swapped my 722K for a Hopper in 2012.

It does seem like I remember having to delete the existing channels when we did a rescan. Back then our local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in. Got so bad that I stopped selling OR installing OTAs....something I had been doing since 1984 so you know it HAD to be pretty bad.

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MorCowbell

Today at 10:06 AM

You made one of my points for me with this comment, Dishstaller:

"... local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in ..."

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dennispap

Today at 4:08 PM

dishstaller said:
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.

I remember that also on my 722.

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dishstaller

Today at 4:48 PM

dennispap said:
I remember that also on my 722.

Thanks.....has been too many years to remember clearly.

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Bobby

Today at 4:49 PM

Keep in mind that the 722 had a built in OTA tuner and the 722K had a plug in module for OTA. The Hoppers and Wallys use an add on USB OTA dongle. I believe they are entirely different.

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Finished the 2nd episode tonight. I'm really liking it so far.

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Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd

since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

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edit: But you're right, the run time of the first three pairs of episodes was 100 minutes on average. Episode 7 clocks in at 65 minutes.

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Scott Greczkowski

Oct 23, 2026

I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.

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Tom Speer

Oct 23, 2026

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.

I only noticed that as a problem on TVs that handle HDR poorly. They don't have enough peak brightness or enough dimming zones. For instance, TCL makes three lines of TV, sort of like the old Sears model of Good, Better, Best. On my 4 or 5 year end low price model, HDR looked awful (My neighbor likes the TV now). The midrange model from the next model year ithat I have at my Lake home now looks pretty good in HDR all the time. The midrange TCL QM7 model from last year at my other home looks spectacular, as I remember. I haven't seen it for 6 months.

If I had a TV that does HDR poorly, I would configure the Gemini to disable all HDR.

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b4pjoe

Oct 23, 2026

Tom Speer said:
I only noticed that as a problem on TVs that handle HDR poorly. They don't have enough peak brightness or enough dimming zones. For instance, TCL makes three lines of TV, sort of like the old Sears model of Good, Better, Best. On my 4 or 5 year end low price mode, HDR looked awful (My neighbor likes the TV now). The midrannge model from the next model year ithat I have at my Lake home now looks pretty good in HDR all the time. The midrange TCL QM7 model from last year at my other home looks spectacular, as I remember. I haven't seen it for 6 months.

If I had a TV that does HDR poorly, I would configure the Gemini to disble all HDR.

I agree with that. The 2 LGs that we have Gemini's on looks far better with HDR enabled then it does with HDR off.

robjlevin

Oct 24, 2026

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.

That would be a deal-breaker for me. The Rokus default to having it on all the time but it's easy enough to change that to native. If the content is HDR it goes on. Otherwise, no.

Redbullsnation

Today at 2:43 PM

I don't mind HDR being on as long as its adaptive. I don't need HDR on non-HDR content

Also, God only knows how much it'll cost to get this per month. 10 bucks a month for 3 TVs in my apartment is not worth it if I can just use my android boxes and appletv to watch

b4pjoe

Today at 2:51 PM

Redbullsnation said:
I don't mind HDR being on as long as its adaptive. I don't need HDR on non-HDR content

Also, God only knows how much it'll cost to get this per month. 10 bucks a month for 3 TVs in my apartment is not worth it if I can just use my android boxes and appletv to watch

It is not adaptive. HDR is either always on or off. No in between. However with my Gemini on satellite everything looks much better with HDR on.