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ChetK
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
In February, I was one of the first few to get the Dish Hopper 3 upgrade. I installed the Hopper 3 onto my 1080p plasma, but I also upgraded to a Joey 4K for my Panasonic TC-L65WT600 4KTV.

The only 4K that is available on the Joey 4K is through Dish OnDemand. I was able to watch some free TV shows (Defiance) in 4K without issue. The Joey 4K had an HDMI cable that ran directly to the TV (no surround sound receiver or anything).

Fast forward to today. I tried to pull up some more 4K content using Dish OnDemand and I am now getting this error from the Joey 4K:

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I have contacted Dish and they didn't even have this error message in their troubleshooting logs. The have escalated it to the engineers.

Anybody else experiencing this?
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Foxbat
As we used to say, "remove the radiator cap, wheel away the old car, wheel in the new model, and install the radiator cap"...

Is it possible for a consumer group to bring a class-action action suit against the association responsible for HDCP? ChetK bought a 4K TV with the intent to watch 4K content and it sounds like all it can do is watch free stuff. I'd be pretty peeved.

If 8K sets are going to require a new HDMI and HDCP, then they should not be able to sell anything until it's all ready as a unit. If the HDCP gets cracked then no updates that requires new hardware can be permitted.
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spoiler1041
If the HDCP gets cracked then no updates that requires new hardware can be permitted.
2.2 is already cracked and being sued to get it off the market.
ChetK
2.2 is already cracked and being sued to get it off the market.
Do you happen to have any more information about the suit? I would like to know more about it.
spoiler1041
Do you happen to have any more information about the suit? I would like to know more about it.
Google warner bros and/or dcp sue hdfury.
patmurphey
Anyone who bought a 4k TV in 2013 or 2014 was naïve not to know that HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0 had not been finalized and were not both included in their sets. I bought a non-compliant Samsung in 2014 because I knew that I could update the hardware to 2015 with an Evolution kit. I did that with the SEK3500 (with a great Black Friday deal) and now my TV is compliant and faster. Your beef should be with the TV manufacturers that did not provide an upgrade path.
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ChetK
Anyone who bought a 4k TV in 2013 or 2014 was naïve not to know that HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0 had not been finalized and were not both included in their sets. I bought a non-compliant Samsung in 2014 because I knew that I could update the hardware to 2015 with an Evolution kit. I did that with the SEK3500 (with a great Black Friday deal) and now my TV is compliant and faster. Your beef should be with the TV manufacturers that did not provide an upgrade path.

"naïve" or "ignorant"? I was looking at Panasonic's web site at their current 4K offerings. There's not a single mention of the HDCP version used (I checked the "features", I've check the "specifications", everywhere.) And how many TV manufactures actually update their firmware once the new model arrives? I have owned a lot of "smart TVs", but getting new firmware or app updates once the new replacement models arrive is unheard of.
drwatson618
"naïve" or "ignorant"? I was looking at Panasonic's web site at their current 4K offerings. There's not a single mention of the HDCP version used (I checked the "features", I've check the "specifications", everywhere.) And how many TV manufactures actually update their firmware once the new model arrives? I have owned a lot of "smart TVs", but getting new firmware or app updates once the new replacement models arrive is unheard of.

I have a Vizio and get regular firmware updates. I have an Onkyo receiver and get regular firmware updates. But if the HDMI is not version 2.0 and doesn't support hdcp 2.2, odds are it won't ever support it. Those are typically hardware upgrades. The Samsung offering the evolution kit is pretty rare in today's technology. It's essentially a box that connects to the tv using a special port and allows the box to basically become the new brain of the tv.
R
I'm not sure about a software update for HDMI 1.4 to 2.0. I thought it was hardware related, but I'm no expert. But I do know if you do not have HDMI 2.0 you cannot have HDCP 2.2. I know on the 4K Sony I purchased in Dec, it came with four HDMI 2.0 HDMI ports that were also HDCP 2.2 compliant. And in a Feb update, the HDMI 2.0 was updated to HDMI 2.0a which allows for HDR content from places like Netflix. And it works, Netflix has at least one show with HDR and that is Marco Polo.

And I have to say, I watched an episode of Marco Polo in 1080 then in 4K and could not really notice any difference unless I plucked my face about six inches from the screen and then there was a noticeable difference. However, after the TV was uploaded to allow HDR content, all I can say is WOW. Contrast were much better and colors seemed to explode off the screen and slap me in the face.
meStevo
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Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.



View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4


Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.


View: https://youtu.be/iws3rh5vLAQ
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Foxbat
Looks like Episode 55 is over at 09:00 HST, just under six hours. The USGS said the fountains reached 720' or 220 meters.
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Foxbat
The USGS Kīlaeua Webcam #1 has been showing overflows and doming from the North vent overnight. Maybe the volcanic plumbing has settled back into its two-three week cycle of fountaining?

But I do miss the little cinder cone that broke up in the last episode.
Foxbat
Sorry, I should have posted these earlier:

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We're still waiting on the start of Episode 56.
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At 08:01 HST 11/05/2026, the North Vent produced what I would call a "wet burp" after the precursory "pistoning" events, small amounts of lava pouring out of the vent for a few seconds to minutes and then everything recedes. There must have been a gas bubble holding thing back because two minutes later the lava started flowing out of the vent in all directions. Then, at 08:25, it stopped. What a tease! I thought this was how Episode 56 started.

About 12 minutes later at 08:38, the North vent once again started overflowing and picked up steam at 08:42. By 09:00, slight doming could be seen in the pool of lava in the vent. Surely this is it!

But, 09:50 and things wind down again. By 09:57 HST there's just fumes coming out of the vent. Phooey.

But then 10:00 comes and the heavy lava flows kick in again. This time seems like the real deal. At 10:30 HST there's little spurts of lava flying up in the air over the vent, but more from gas than a steady fountain of lava. This looks promising!

11:30 HST and the color of the lava is definitely hotter, and the intensity has picked up to a definite dome and precursor to fountaining. The USGS calls Episode 56 as officially starting at 12:10 HST:

Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-11-05 22:29:12 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Thursday, November 5, 2026, 12:29 PM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H514
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 56 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 12:10 PM HST on November 5, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 56 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 12:10 PM HST on November 5, 2026.

Lava fountain heights are relatively low at about 100 ft (30 meters), but will likely increase. Ground-level sensors near the eruptive vents indicate that winds are blowing from the northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.
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BlackHitachi
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Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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dfergie

Last of the Dogmen is my favorite of hers.
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Star Wars Despecialized Edition

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dishstaller
Just watched Napoleon. Good night.....all of those young men dying for the egos of their leaders. Now we can kill at a distance, back then you saw the man you were killing eye to eye.
comfortably_numb
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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Jimbo
Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
Howard Simmons
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.
Jimbo
But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.
Sorry, my point was the expense.
comfortably_numb
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.

Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.
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Jimbo
Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.
I guess if it was something I used on a regular basis, I suppose.
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comfortably_numb
In other Philo news..

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Bobby
Oh boy, I can't wait! 😂
K
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Last reply · posted in TV Shows
'Rockford Files' Reboot Gets NBC Pilot Order

I grow tired of all the reboots. Most I don't bother with but will depend on the actor chosen.
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long_time_Dish
Yeah, I'll check it out as well, but shan't be holding my breath...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...
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harshness
...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...
I can think of a few actors (including some females) who might fit the bill.

This will all depend on the storyline. I'm not sure how well it will translate. Modern TV hasn't been all that kind to PIs and even less kind to CIs (confidential informants).
K
Premier is Saturday, Jan 2nd. Moving to Thursday on the 7th.
long_time_Dish

I wonder how they're/if they're going to do something like the answering machine message opening? It was always funny...
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osu1991
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd​ scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list. :mad:

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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dishstaller
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
dishstaller
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
Like I said.....that has been many years ago. Swapped my 722K for a Hopper in 2012.

It does seem like I remember having to delete the existing channels when we did a rescan. Back then our local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in. Got so bad that I stopped selling OR installing OTAs....something I had been doing since 1984 so you know it HAD to be pretty bad.
M
You made one of my points for me with this comment, Dishstaller:

"... local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in ..."
dennispap
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
I remember that also on my 722.
dishstaller
I remember that also on my 722.
Thanks.....has been too many years to remember clearly.
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Bobby
Keep in mind that the 722 had a built in OTA tuner and the 722K had a plug in module for OTA. The Hoppers and Wallys use an add on USB OTA dongle. I believe they are entirely different.
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osu1991
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osu1991
Finished the 2nd episode tonight. I'm really liking it so far.

Still hate weekly releases though, especially the way Disney and HBO do it waiting until 8pm to premiere it.
Foxbat
Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd🤓 since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.
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I'm expecting the finale to basically bring Vision into play for the Doomsday movie next month.
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osu1991
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
Foxbat
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
I thought they were effectively releasing a longer episode 7 and 8 instead of shorter episodes 7 & 8 this week and 9 & 10 next week. It felt like they were packing more into this episode.

edit: But you're right, the run time of the first three pairs of episodes was 100 minutes on average. Episode 7 clocks in at 65 minutes. 😕