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Setting up 10' unimesh

Well im taking the plunge and starting the install on a 10' unimesh that i picked up around the corner today. Figured i better start a thread for the questions that will come up. First one i have is how much space around the dish do i need? Id like to plant it next to the office but want plenty of room so there is room to spare if its at the ends of the arc. Next one im not as in dire need for an answer but what brand actuator is good? It has a 24" super jack on it that i have no idea if it works or not yet, but i seen a superjack 36" QARL heavy duty actuator on ebay for $129 shipped, or a 48" superjack for $169 shipped. Are these decent actuators or should i look for something else? Thanks in advance for any help you guys might give me.
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wvman
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The DC2 should lock on a DC2 channel if it hasn't been ruined by water, and if the on board battery that keeps the activation key stored isn't dead. I had a couple GI receivers that hadn't been plugged in for a while and the battery went dead and it lost the ID info, which made them useless, but I don't think there's any subscription services available up there for home use. I noticed that Skyvision's website is no longer active and I think they were the last of the companies offering DC2 programming.

However, on the satellites that have DC2 commercial programming on them, the receiver should still be able to obtain a lock on the encrypted channels. Since you cannot receive the other satellites, it sound as if your mount is not set true north and south. One mistake I've seen people make moving a dish is fiddling with the adjustments on the mount when they take it off the pole. If it's not moved far from the original location, a simple tweaking will get them adjusted quickly at the new location.

I have a Channel Master dual meter that allows me to watch the signal level on both polarities at the same time. When I get them peaked with similar reading on both meters, I lock down the polarity adjustment and I'm finished. If your dish came from a location close to your house, then you should be able to locate a satellite and then move it left or right to obtain the highest signal level, and the rest of the satellites should fall in place. Once you get this accomplished, you can push down, or pick up on the bottom of the dish, and if the signal drops either direction, it's probably as close as you're going to get it.

If the signal level is uniform across the arc, then you should be set to get everything in the arc that's strong enough for a 6 foot dish. Hope it works out for you.
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SkyVision is now SkyXpress.net. One of the partners purchased the company and is now focusing on FTA market.

The cable cover should have imprint or stamping for the rating or a model number.

Correct, coax run from the receiver to the KU HH, to the switch then to the LNBFs.
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wvman said:
The DC2 should lock on a DC2 channel if it hasn't been ruined by water, and if the on board battery that keeps the activation key stored isn't dead. I had a couple GI receivers that hadn't been plugged in for a while and the battery went dead and it lost the ID info, which made them useless, but I don't think there's any subscription services available up there for home use. I noticed that Skyvision's website is no longer active and I think they were the last of the companies offering DC2 programming.

However, on the satellites that have DC2 commercial programming on them, the receiver should still be able to obtain a lock on the encrypted channels. Since you cannot receive the other satellites, it sound as if your mount is not set true north and south. One mistake I've seen people make moving a dish is fiddling with the adjustments on the mount when they take it off the pole. If it's not moved far from the original location, a simple tweaking will get them adjusted quickly at the new location.

I have a Channel Master dual meter that allows me to watch the signal level on both polarities at the same time. When I get them peaked with similar reading on both meters, I lock down the polarity adjustment and I'm finished. If your dish came from a location close to your house, then you should be able to locate a satellite and then move it left or right to obtain the highest signal level, and the rest of the satellites should fall in place. Once you get this accomplished, you can push down, or pick up on the bottom of the dish, and if the signal drops either direction, it's probably as close as you're going to get it.

If the signal level is uniform across the arc, then you should be set to get everything in the arc that's strong enough for a 6 foot dish. Hope it works out for you.
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I was just hoping to use the old dc2 receiver as a dish mover and polarity control. I'm on the arc, as I have scanned in horizontal channels from 87w to 135w. Only reason for horizontal only was up until last night I didn't know the proper connections on the back of the h1. But I had 2 servo motors and knew for sure what lug was ground so I figured I have a 50/50 chance. Cooked the first servo motor but now have polarity control. Also only reason I haven't scanned east further then 87w is it doesn't look as if there is much for me there, and the mechanical limit on the actuator prevent me from hitting 137w by about 2 degrees. I also gotta thank KE4EST and titanium for all the great info and help.
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I was just hoping to use the old dc2 receiver as a dish mover and polarity control. I'm on the arc, as I have scanned in horizontal channels from 87w to 135w. Only reason for horizontal only was up until last night I didn't know the proper connections on the back of the h1. But I had 2 servo motors and knew for sure what lug was ground so I figured I have a 50/50 chance. Cooked the first servo motor but now have polarity control. Also only reason I haven't scanned east further then 87w is it doesn't look as if there is much for me there, and the mechanical limit on the actuator prevent me from hitting 137w by about 2 degrees. I also gotta thank KE4EST and titanium for all the great info and help.
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I put an add in the local swap shop paper that comes out once a week here for old stand alone motor drive boxes that people may have lying around. That paper is pretty good at locating such items because almost everyone reads it within a 6 county area. I put an add in it for satellite dishes and had a bunch of calls from people wanting to get rid of them. I'll see what turns up with the motor drive boxes, and if I hit the jackpot, I'd be more than happy to send you one. Never know when you might need a spare. You folks are always helpful when I run into a problem. Let me know if you're interested and I'll keep you posted.
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I put an add in the local swap shop paper that comes out once a week here for old stand alone motor drive boxes that people may have lying around. That paper is pretty good at locating such items because almost everyone reads it within a 6 county area. I put an add in it for satellite dishes and had a bunch of calls from people wanting to get rid of them. I'll see what turns up with the motor drive boxes, and if I hit the jackpot, I'd be more than happy to send you one. Never know when you might need a spare. You folks are always helpful when I run into a problem. Let me know if you're interested and I'll keep you posted.
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I appreciate that offer! I have been making a lot of local contacts since i started playing in this sandbox and personally know where several dishes are as i travel about a 3 county radius. All thats left for me to do is stop and ask some questions. I know an ASC1 is in the near future but with winter coming on we are pushing to get several concrete jobs completed so money will be tight until they are done to ensure we are able to cover the concrete plant bill until we collect from customers. Then it wont be an issue really. With the help of Titanium i have been able to kinda figure out some of the issues with the old macom dish positioner, and thu trial and error (one fried servo motor) figure out what leads control the servo motor. Since then i have been able to successfully save 7 satellite positions in the H1 positioner, all i have to do is manually move the skew which is a lot harder then it sounds, lol. Another issue reared its head a couple of days ago, and to be honest i expected it, the old lnb has started to fail. Not drift but flat out fail as in stops working completly. If i turn off all power input to the lnb it starts to work again. Yesterday i took the lnb off the other polarotor i had and installed it on the polarotar that is installed on the dish but it is suffering from drift i beleive or its just not as good as the first one i tried. Dont have a whole lot of time to really play around with it right now, but we probably will try to get a C1-PLL working on this dish over the weekend, maybe, if time permits.

I do so enjoy the helpful people on this forum, and I certainly will keep your offer in mind. I really have enjoyed the challenges this hobby has presented, and the rewards from figuring out and troubleshooting my first 2 installs (first motorized Ku, then a week later the C-Band dish) with all the help from members here. And its let me relive some of the "good ol days" i remembered from the late 80's early 90's of working on and watching C-Band with my dad.
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I appreciate that offer! I have been making a lot of local contacts since i started playing in this sandbox and personally know where several dishes are as i travel about a 3 county radius. All thats left for me to do is stop and ask some questions. I know an ASC1 is in the near future but with winter coming on we are pushing to get several concrete jobs completed so money will be tight until they are done to ensure we are able to cover the concrete plant bill until we collect from customers. Then it wont be an issue really. With the help of Titanium i have been able to kinda figure out some of the issues with the old macom dish positioner, and thu trial and error (one fried servo motor) figure out what leads control the servo motor. Since then i have been able to successfully save 7 satellite positions in the H1 positioner, all i have to do is manually move the skew which is a lot harder then it sounds, lol. Another issue reared its head a couple of days ago, and to be honest i expected it, the old lnb has started to fail. Not drift but flat out fail as in stops working completly. If i turn off all power input to the lnb it starts to work again. Yesterday i took the lnb off the other polarotor i had and installed it on the polarotar that is installed on the dish but it is suffering from drift i beleive or its just not as good as the first one i tried. Dont have a whole lot of time to really play around with it right now, but we probably will try to get a C1-PLL working on this dish over the weekend, maybe, if time permits.

I do so enjoy the helpful people on this forum, and I certainly will keep your offer in mind. I really have enjoyed the challenges this hobby has presented, and the rewards from figuring out and troubleshooting my first 2 installs (first motorized Ku, then a week later the C-Band dish) with all the help from members here. And its let me relive some of the "good ol days" i remembered from the late 80's early 90's of working on and watching C-Band with my dad.
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I am glad it's working out for you. In the not too distant past, I was new this FTA thing and it took some reeducating myself and learning the new technology. It's been fun because I love working with electronics. Any time I can help or if I have something you need, just ask. If I got it, I sure don't mind sharing some of my finds and rare treasures. Right now, I'm looking at 3 commercial fiberglass dishes still on poles at an old cable head end setup. I'm fixing to put a bid on all the dishes. I don't know if I'll be in the ballpark or not, but I'm going to try to acquire at least a couple of them. The ones I looked at are 14 footers with quad feeds on them.

I have no idea what's in the head end shack, but I will cross that bridge when the time's right. Luckily, these dishes are within 30 miles of my house, so it won't be a big deal to get them home. I'll post a picture of my find if I'm successful in purchasing them. Cheers, have a good evening.
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Titanium said:
SkyVision is now SkyXpress.net. One of the partners purchased the company and is now focusing on FTA market.

The cable cover should have imprint or stamping for the rating or a model number.

Correct, coax run from the receiver to the KU HH, to the switch then to the LNBFs.
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Ah, I wondered about that. Couldn't imagine Skyvision just disappearing. Thanks for the info.
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So I finally got my dish running, and the H1 dish positioner sensing pulses from the reed sensor and able to control polarity and figured out how to save positions (after help from Titanium and KE4EST), I finally had time this afternoon to go thru and start saving positions along the arc. I went from 97w down to 135w first as i had already scanned these in when i first started playing around with this thing a week or so ago. Then i checked mo make sure the positions were saved accurately, and they were. Then i switched the power off to the dish positioner and came back a bit later to start moving east from 97w and discovered my fist problem. It no longer had the positions saved. I didnt unplug the positioner but did switch it off, could there be a battery inside that is causing this issue? (though its really kinda a non issue after i replace it with an asc1) second and one that i feel is the more pressing of the 2 is I went to move east fir the first time since the reed sensor was working and it didnt move very far east of 97 and it showed LE or limit east. So i waled out the the dish and removed the cover and sure enough the cam had tripped the switch, but it didnt look like the actuator was extended but maybe a little over half way out. The lower cam is the east limit and the upper one is west limit. there are 2 screws that hold the cam in place and there is slots on the top cam to adjust the limit position. so i loosen the screws and half the cam falls off. Appears to have been this way for a while as the break doesnt look clean, as in its kinda dirty and dull. Can I glue or epoxy this back together or is there a place i can get a replacement. second there appears to not be an adjustment on the lower east limit cam or am i wrong. The actuator is a 24" superjack 2. No idea how old it is for sure. I wished i woulda taken some photos but i left my phone at the house while i was at the shop and can take some tomorrow.
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Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Not alot of dish customers any more
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I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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www.nbcsports.com

Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
www.nbcsports.com www.nbcsports.com
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Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
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Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


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Started watching Undercover Boss again

I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.

I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.


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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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White Christmas - Elvis Presley
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Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley
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Frisco King - Paramount Plus


View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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Class action.
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a hopper 3 with 6 firesticks and or if you wanna spend even more money apple tv's
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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tparker said:
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
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Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
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Nebugeater said:
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
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Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
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Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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zipping right along here
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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Not likely since that place closed down.
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NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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AI Proofs Humans Can't Understand? Math's Future #shorts

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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Auto Racing 2026

New thread or keep this one?

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Oh weird, it was I think a 20 minute version of this.


View: https://youtu.be/nFM3BlYQJT4
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Weird F1 weekend is already over with a Saturday race.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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