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With my sweet $25/month deal for a year I was begged to upgrade my slow piece of junk HR24's to the newest Genie, HR54. Since they installed this piece of crap lemon DVR I have had more issues with it in 1.5 weeks than I have had for years with both of my HR24's. I have been on the phone with them every single day and they still refuse to send out a tech or swap it for a different DVR. I wish I was never talked into signing another 2 year agreement. I am seriously thinking of paying the fees and dropping them all together.

Here are the issues.

1) When switching channels, it immediately goes to the programming, shows the image, then goes blank for a few seconds before appearing.
2) Genie Mini loses audio every single day. I have to press the red reset button on my main DVR to get audio for that day only
3) EI game channels only show the DirecTV logo, but yet I can still watch the game on the actual RSN for that team. I have to press the red reset button to get the game on the EI channel. This happens every day. After a reset, the game comes in for a day.
4) Audio issues on some channels on the main box. Red button reset fixes this too for a day.

They have done hard resets and tests on their end, thinking it is fixed because it resolves it FOR A DAY.

Because I have to press the red reset button every day, it screws up the guide data and thus my recordings.

I call every single day and let them know I call every day. I even insisted they send out a tech or replace my box but they refuse because they think the issue is resolved or they want to trouble shoot first.

Don't get me started on the fact that most of the techs know very little about TV program packages and what channels are or are not supposed to be authorized.
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DTV-Tech
:rolleyes: ... Sounds to me like there's more than one problem creating these symptoms.
First off, forget that red button (soft reboot) and just unplug it (hard reboot), it's analogous to using control-alt-delete vs
power interruption when resetting a computer. Better yet, turn it off, remove the access card, turn it on without the card in
and wait until it asks for the card (not to be done often though).

The HR-54 is usually as solid as a rock, the clients (mini) not so much. This is because the clients "talk to" the server (the 54)
over the coax lines and not having a tuner of their own (why they're so small) use one of the server's and the quality of the
connections between the two dictates the client's performance, whereas two HR-24s act as independent units.

I've seen many cases where MoCA (the communication link between all the boxes) had been adversely affected by bad connections
(the base of the connector shouldn't spin on the cable and there shouldn't be any evidence of braid showing inside the connector's
tip either), crimped cables (no sharp bends or crushed spots), water getting into improperly routed cables/connectors (cables should
always flow down from the connectors so water flows away from rather than into connectors), lack of weather proofed joints (there
should be rubber boots on every outdoors connection point), as well as RG-58 cable being used when only RG-6 should be used.

At the 54, after a fresh rebooting, use the remote to enter Menu, Settings&Help, Settings, Satellite, (two things to do in here) 1st:
View Signal Strength (Should be high eighties at worse and preferably high nineties if not 100s) disregard #s 18 (always low) and
26 (always zero). 2nd: After noting these readings select "Done" then left arrow back to Settings and select Info&Test then Run Test.

Low signal strengths indicated by the first check (usually) indicates poor dish tuning or (rarely) poor cable connectivity.
The System Test is more comprehensive (checks MoCA too) but won't show you signal strengths and will fail for either poor dish
tuning OR bad cables/connections.

Depending on how much of a DIY guy you are several of these concerns can be addressed yourself.
It's absurd that you've been getting put off by phone support like you have though, so if you'd rather just have a tech (a Direct TV tech,
NOT a subcontractor) check it all out for you then do this:

1.) REFUSE TO COOPERATE with their asking you to check ANYTHING and DEMAND for a technician to come out.
2.) If they argue the point further, demand your case be escalated to "Tier Two" status as it has been a reoccurring problem.
3.) If all else fails, tell them you're going to pile the equipment at the end of your driveway and they can come pick it up, and you're
NOT considering yourself bound to the two year agreement because they are in breech of their end of the contract. :biggrin2
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As a former employee. .. let me just say there are several on going issues with the hr54..the hr44 is much better.. when you call agan immediately tell them you are canceling. You will be transfered to loyalty. Tell them you are considering disc meting because of all the issues ..they will take care you there. ..
Claude Greiner
:rolleyes: ... Sounds to me like there's more than one problem creating these symptoms.
First off, forget that red button (soft reboot) and just unplug it (hard reboot), it's analogous to using control-alt-delete vs
power interruption when resetting a computer. Better yet, turn it off, remove the access card, turn it on without the card in
and wait until it asks for the card (not to be done often though).

The HR-54 is usually as solid as a rock, the clients (mini) not so much. This is because the clients "talk to" the server (the 54)
over the coax lines and not having a tuner of their own (why they're so small) use one of the server's and the quality of the
connections between the two dictates the client's performance, whereas two HR-24s act as independent units.

I've seen many cases where MoCA (the communication link between all the boxes) had been adversely affected by bad connections
(the base of the connector shouldn't spin on the cable and there shouldn't be any evidence of braid showing inside the connector's
tip either), crimped cables (no sharp bends or crushed spots), water getting into improperly routed cables/connectors (cables should
always flow down from the connectors so water flows away from rather than into connectors), lack of weather proofed joints (there
should be rubber boots on every outdoors connection point), as well as RG-58 cable being used when only RG-6 should be used.

At the 54, after a fresh rebooting, use the remote to enter Menu, Settings&Help, Settings, Satellite, (two things to do in here) 1st:
View Signal Strength (Should be high eighties at worse and preferably high nineties if not 100s) disregard #s 18 (always low) and
26 (always zero). 2nd: After noting these readings select "Done" then left arrow back to Settings and select Info&Test then Run Test.

Low signal strengths indicated by the first check (usually) indicates poor dish tuning or (rarely) poor cable connectivity.
The System Test is more comprehensive (checks MoCA too) but won't show you signal strengths and will fail for either poor dish
tuning OR bad cables/connections.

Depending on how much of a DIY guy you are several of these concerns can be addressed yourself.
It's absurd that you've been getting put off by phone support like you have though, so if you'd rather just have a tech (a Direct TV tech,
NOT a subcontractor) check it all out for you then do this:

1.) REFUSE TO COOPERATE with their asking you to check ANYTHING and DEMAND for a technician to come out.
2.) If they argue the point further, demand your case be escalated to "Tier Two" status as it has been a reoccurring problem.
3.) If all else fails, tell them you're going to pile the equipment at the end of your driveway and they can come pick it up, and you're
NOT considering yourself bound to the two year agreement because they are in breech of their end of the contract. :biggrin2

I second that. The cable and connectors make a big difference.

It's literally at the point for me that I try to do a fresh install every time and run everything new whenever possible when dealing with clients.

Also try to use the smallest splitter and the least number of splitters as possible.

I have had too many issues with clients acting goofy, all due to bad cabling.

Also cut all of the multiples. Do not install more splitters than necessary and leave open outlets.

I had one customer who wanted 3 open outlets to move his box around. I spent a whole day troubleshooting before removing the unnecessary cable.

That install was a nightmare. I even ran one of the clients off eithernet using 2 decca adaptors because the customer didn't want me to drill a hole through his wood paneling.

The only thing I have not tried using is 100% copper vs copper clad. At $16 per 1000 foot box vs $80 per 1000 foot box of 100% copper, it's a lot of money. I'm sure the performance can only be better, but is it significant enough to matter.
DTV-Tech
Also try to use the smallest splitter and the least number of splitters as possible.

The latest commandment from "The powers that be" is that no more than one splitter may be used .... period.

This means that we're not even allowed to do the quick and easy DECA additions (tossing a two-way on whatever line
to feed the IRD and DECA then tapping into the router). They're now insisting that an independent line feeds everything !
I've lost a lot of those $18 OLIs because customers simply don't want another hole in their house just to get On Demand programs.
Jimbo
As a former employee. .. let me just say there are several on going issues with the hr54..the hr44 is much better.. when you call agan immediately tell them you are canceling. You will be transfered to loyalty. Tell them you are considering disc meting because of all the issues ..they will take care you there. ..
Unless he wants 4k, which the Hr44 won't help you .
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Unless he wants 4k, which the Hr44 won't help you .
Hr44 is not a 4k dvr
raoul5788
Hr44 is not a 4k dvr
Yes, that's what Jimbo is saying.
Jimbo
Hr44 is not a 4k dvr
Thats what I said ...

Unless he wants 4k, which the Hr44 won't help you .
dfergie
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$6.099​
Premium$6.599​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
harshness
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.
K
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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K
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
K
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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MikeD-C05
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.
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harshness
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
MikeD-C05
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.
harshness
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
J
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This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).

On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
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navychop
It'll only see two EHDs at a time.
Almighty1
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

View attachment 194857
As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.
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As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.
It is not just a display signal as explained above. When you have the Hopper+ connected, it uses Android TV for pretty much everything except for the satellite signal which is why it uses the DISH app for the standard Hopper 3 functions. But that should not matter because in your case, CasinoH3 is the Hopper 3 with the EHD which is what you call the naughty one based on the dates you mentioned and Master Bedroom which has the Hopper Plus connected to the Hopper 3 that does not have the problem. So one way to test the theory is disconnect the Hopper Plus from that Hopper 3 and then use the EHD's connected to CasinoH3 currently to see if the same issue exists. That way you will know if the problem is there without a Hopper Plus connected or if CasinoH3 is just a bad hopper to begin with.

Normally when you disconnect the Hopper Plus, it will be 30 minutes or more before you can use the Hopper 3 again.

What you want to do is:
hold the POWER button in, not the red reset button, for about 45 seconds or so while disconnecting the power to the Plus and moving the HDMI cable and it will reboot to the normal Hopper only immediately.
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bookworm370
It'll only see two EHDs at a time.
Yes, I have only two online at a time.
One comes online, the other one consistently will not come online
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Yes, I have only two online at a time.
One comes online; the other consistently won't. Also, when I connect the EHD, the USB Detected status light on the EHD itself changes from Red to Green. But the Hopper (713) does not start the EHD read process. The light changes to indicate that the EHD has detected a valid USB cable, but the Hopper does not recognize it.
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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bookworm370
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I got the 713 update yesterday.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.
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HipKat
Guys,
Android is Google. Google is Android. Android OS and Google TV are the same thing.
The Hopper+ and Joey 4's run Android TV, which is Google's television version of Android.
That means under the hood, you have:
  • Linux kernel
  • Android framework
  • Google TV / Android TV interface
  • Google Play Store for TV apps
Alexa is the competition. Google is not going to host their competition.
The old Hopper Carbon UI is NOT Google so that's why Alexa was on there.
H
Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.
navychop
Ungood.
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What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
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navychop
Tell Alexa verbally what to do.
meStevo
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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meStevo
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
harshness
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
meStevo
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
harshness
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
meStevo
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
harshness
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
meStevo
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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harshness
This is true of literally anything, though.
Do you think that means we ought to be supporting it as the long-term solution?
Foxbat
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Foxbat
Oops.
dishstaller
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.