Social Feed

Main Feed My Feed

comfortably_numb

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Jan 9, 2018 · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

CES 2017: LG Intros First ATSC 3.0 4KTVs

60 Replies · 6259 views

Load Replies (60) Reply Legacy View

jayn_j

Dec 30, 2017

harshness said:
From what I've read, UHD channels may consume an entire channel frequency.

1080i was supposed to consume the entire channel in ATSC 1.0. It didn't stop broadcasters from softening the picture in order to squeeze in a subchannel or 2. I recall in the early days when HD broadcast was just as sharp as a BluRay. Not so much these days.

harshness

Dec 30, 2017

jayn_j said:
1080i was supposed to consume the entire channel in ATSC 1.0. It didn't stop broadcasters from softening the picture in order to squeeze in a subchannel or 2. I recall in the early days when HD broadcast was just as sharp as a BluRay. Not so much these days.

But is there any point at all to a UHD image that is diminished in such a way? Given that 4K is beyond most of our viewing situations to begin with, I have my doubts that they'll even bother going beyond 1080p (that in an of itself doesn't seem to occupy as many PPV channels as many imagined).

Reactions: jayn_j

jayn_j

Dec 30, 2017

harshness said:
But is there any point at all to a UHD image that is diminished in such a way? Given that 4K is beyond most of our viewing situations to begin with, I have my doubts that they'll even bother going beyond 1080p (that in an of itself doesn't seem to occupy as many PPV channels as many imagined).

Agree. Most people can't see the 4k advantage, and the reduced bandwidth with subchannels, they are willing to accept 'HD' -- broadcasts.
When I was down in Rockford Ill a few years ago, I had COMCAST install a HD DVR. I laid out an HDMI cable, already plugged into the receiver. The installer used the antenna channel 3 connection instead. When I called the office to ask, I was told it was standard policy. I spent the rest of my time down there hooking up HD connections to those HD cable boxes for friends.

I think when and if ATSC 3.0 rolls out (still not convinced it will happen), the stations will choose to add subchannels instead. With the repack, there is going to be a lot of pressure to do channel sharing. It may reach the point where the signal quality may not improve. I think that the main channel will most likely be a reduced bandwidth 4k, so they can claim '4K', but the rest will be what they already provide, just more per frequency.

Reactions: comfortably_numb

harshness

Dec 31, 2017

jayn_j said:
I think when and if ATSC 3.0 rolls out (still not convinced it will happen), the stations will choose to add subchannels instead.

I'd like some clarification on what you mean by "instead". The Order says that the stations have to simulcast on ATSC 3.0 so they can't just shift their subchannels to Next-Gen and drive everyone there with the content that they whacked from DTV (at least as I understand the Order).

navychop

Dec 31, 2017

harshness said:
I'd like some clarification on what you mean by "instead". The Order says that the stations have to simulcast on ATSC 3.0 so they can't just shift their subchannels to Next-Gen and drive everyone there with the content that they whacked from DTV (at least as I understand the Order).

That simulcast applies only to the primary channel, no?

ATSC 1 tower can have 2, or Lord save us, 3 "HD" channels for say, channels 5, 9 and 26.

The ATSC 3 tower can have those 3 channels in "better" HD, plus all of their sub channels. And throw in the "Basics of Basket Weaving" channel.

Then, after ATSC 1 goes away and all broadcasters have their own ATSC 3 tower, maybe the odd UHD broadcast.

I have doubts about what the incentives are to make this move to ATSC 3, but I suspect it's gonna happen in a few years. Heck, maybe my next TV will have an ATSC 3 tuner. And maybe there'll be something to watch in five years, and some incentive to actually do so.

I hope to be retired then, so my next TV may well be my last.

Reactions: comfortably_numb

harshness

Jan 2, 2018

navychop said:
That simulcast applies only to the primary channel, no?

I don't think this is true. My reading suggests that they have to carry the whole payload (the simulcaster can't pick and choose what they want to simulcast) and carry everything under the terms of the original broadcaster's franchise agreements. Like most FCC documentation, they use industry special terminology so I can't be certain.

I hope to be retired then, so my next TV may well be my last.

You're on dope if you have any hope of that. Remember the life expectancy of modern CE equipment continues to shorten.

We'll see at CES if more TV manufacturers are moving towards an upgrade path business model.

Trip

Jan 2, 2018

harshness said:
I don't think this is true. My reading suggests that they have to carry the whole payload (the simulcaster can't pick and choose what they want to simulcast) and carry everything under the terms of the original broadcaster's franchise agreements.

No idea where you picked that up from. Paragraph 13 of the R&O is pretty clear, I think.

"We apply our local simulcasting requirement only to the primary video programming stream aired by Next Gen TV broadcasters on their ATSC 3.0 channels. Next Gen TV stations may be able to transmit multiple streams of programming in ATSC 3.0, as many do today in ATSC 1.0. Although we encourage those Next Gen TV broadcasters that elect to air multiple streams of ATSC 3.0 programming to also simulcast more than a single programming stream, we will require them to simulcast only their primary stream in ATSC 1.0 format. Commenters generally agree that any local simulcasting requirement should apply to a Next Gen TV station's primary stream. Because broadcasters have a strong incentive to provide continuity of service to existing viewers, we believe they will elect to simulcast the programming stream that viewers expect to be able to receive, such as a stream containing network programming or the stream that has the largest number of viewers for non-network stations. We will monitor the deployment of ATSC 3.0 and the effectiveness of our local simulcasting requirement in protecting viewers and will reconsider our approach if necessary."

I'm not sure what "industry special terminology" you were having trouble with.

- Trip

Reactions: comfortably_numb

navychop

Jan 2, 2018

My belief is, if we don't see ATSC 3 tuners in many 2019 TVs (remember how we used to distinguish between TVs by saying "HDTV?"), then I'd say ATSC 3 adoption is going to have a very long row to hoe, indeed.

Reactions: comfortably_numb and osu1991

harshness

Jan 2, 2018

Trip said:
No idea where you picked that up from. Paragraph 13 of the R&O is pretty clear, I think.

Spoken like someone who is on the inside. I was reading paragraphs 17-19 where they seemed to be arguing with someone about what was and wasn't necessary. In re-reading it, I see that they disagreed with or dismissed some of these arguments. Admittedly, I didn't read the whole document nor most of its 70+ footnotes that they used to rationalize something. It seems like it there should be an explicit order and a separate document for those who want to understand the motivations and live for reading footnotes.

Whacking subchannels before a new standard is officially adopted seems a little like the Wild West. Given that some of the "secondary" channels are developing a bigger following than the "primary" channels (I'm thinking CW), it seems like this could do some serious damage if there isn't some sort of designated hierarchy for the networks to make business decisions on.

harshness

Jan 2, 2018

navychop said:
My belief is, if we don't see ATSC 3 tuners in many 2019 TVs (remember how we used to distinguish between TVs by saying "HDTV?"), then I'd say ATSC 3 adoption is going to have a very long row to hoe, indeed.

As I said previously, the proponents have attached the term "Next-Gen" to their ATSC 3.0 standard. It worked for Star Trek, it can work for this.

I don't understand how the congressional directive to identify a new and more efficient broadcast standard doesn't get better support from the FCC.

Trip

Jan 2, 2018

harshness said:
Spoken like someone who is on the inside.

Yes, nobody would read the section labeled "Local Simulcasting Requirement" when looking for specifics on the simulcasting requirements unless they were on the inside. :rolleyes

- Trip

Reactions: comfortably_numb

harshness

Jan 2, 2018

Trip said:
Yes, nobody would read the section labeled "Local Simulcasting Requirement" when looking for specifics on the simulcasting requirements unless they were on the inside.

The more I read, the more the Order seems like it might be contradicting itself.

harshness

Jan 8, 2018

PREFACE: As I type this CES hasn't opened yet so much of the information is incomplete.

I made the rounds of the tech sites reporting on CES and thus far, none of them has made any mention of ATSC 3.0 or Next-Gen TV. Most advanced technology sets appear to support HLG, but that's only a small part of the equation.

comfortably_numb

Jan 9, 2018

Pearl TV, Sony Collaborate on 3.0 Program Navigation

Pearl TV, Sony Collaborate on 3.0 Program Navigation

View all replies (60)

Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 49 minutes ago · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio

SiriusXM announces 25 Holiday Channels for 2026

Some of the channels start next week.

SiriusXM Delivers the Soundtrack to the Holidays with Its Festive Lineup of 25 Handcrafted Seasonal Music Channels

Lineup features channels produced and presented by celebrated personalities and iconic brands, including Jimmy Fallon, Hallmark,…...

investor.siriusxm.com

3 Replies · 18 views

Load Replies (3) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: Mr Tony, Howard Simmons and comfortably_numb

comfortably_numb

Today at 10:59 AM

My favorite is probably Holiday Pops.

TRG

Today at 11:04 AM

It's not even Halloween yet.

Reactions: Howard Simmons

Scott Greczkowski

49 minutes ago

I like the Jimmy Fallon channel. This will be its third year. I like that it's all fresh each year. Also fun when he pops on live from time to time.

dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 56 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

At least 64 dead in Spanish passenger train collision

Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

1 Replies · 18 views

Load Replies (1) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: Jimbo

Jimbo

56 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.

Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 11:20 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

68644 Replies · 2679533 views

Load Replies (68644) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: c-spand

gms49ers

Today at 9:28 AM

Show Don't Tell - Rush

harshness

Today at 9:54 AM

Show and Tell - Al Wilson

sdfntx

Today at 10:24 AM

On with the Show - The Rolling Stones

gms49ers

Today at 10:41 AM

The Show Must Go On - Pink Floyd

Reactions: dishstaller

Bobby

Today at 11:20 AM

If Love Must Go - Dobie Gray

View all replies (68644)

osu1991

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Today at 10:09 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Susan Saint James, Emmy-Winning Star of 'Kate & Allie' and 'McMillan & Wife,' Dies at 80

Susan Saint James, Emmy-Winning Star of ‘Kate & Allie’ and ‘McMillan & Wife,’ Dies at 80

Susan Saint James, the Emmy-winning actress who starred in "Kate & Allie," died Monday after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. She was 80.

variety.com

4 Replies · 69 views

Load Replies (4) Reply Legacy View

Bobby

Yesterday at 5:01 PM

Rest in peace.

sdfntx

Yesterday at 7:39 PM

Sorry to hear this. R.I.P.

FTA4PA

Yesterday at 8:53 PM

R.I.P.

dishstaller

Today at 10:09 AM

My Mom was a huge McMillan & Wife fan.

RIP

TRG

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Today at 10:07 AM · posted in Local Radio Discussion

House Passes AM Radio For Every Vehicle Act

House Passes AM Radio For Every Vehicle Act

(Washington, DC) - The U.S. House has passed the AM Radio for Every Vehicle Act, marking a major step forward for broadcasters and listeners who have pushed to keep AM radio available in new cars and

wabcradio.com

22 Replies · 694 views

Load Replies (22) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: FTA4PA, Mr Tony, Howard Simmons and 2 others

dishdude

Sep 18, 2026

It's probably been 2 decades since I've listened to an AM radio station. Very rarely listen to FM any more.

Reactions: reubenray and Jimbo

dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:41 AM

dishdude said:
Very rarely listen to FM any more

That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.

Reactions: Mr Tony

Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:03 AM

dishstaller said:
That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.

Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?

dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:29 PM

Jimbo said:
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?

No, just regular FM stations. One is the country station I mentioned and the other is a Talk Radio station which used to get fantastic results but honestly, since the death of Rush Limbaugh, talk radio just doesn't do as well. There were two guys who had an early morning show which was hugely popular here in the southeast but one of them retired a couple years ago and the show just doesn't garner the same numbers as it used to.

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 5:35 PM

Haven't listened AM or FM in years

harshness

Today at 10:07 AM

Jimbo said:
If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?

You knew the answer before you asked it.

I can't recall having encountered a local ad on Sirius, and I don't imagine it is any different on XM.

Reactions: dishstaller

View all replies (22)

Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 8:31 AM · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/21/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261021.xlsx 1,876 KB

2168 Replies · 943793 views

Load Replies (2168) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: Zakdj, Mr Tony, Tom Speer and 3 others

dtv757

Monday at 7:33 AM

For those dazn nba channels are they sat only or sat & streaming

KyL416

Monday at 1:50 PM

Both, and they just made it official with a multiyear deal that also includes TV Everywhere authentication for the DAZN app, and commercial distribution.

DIRECTV, the premier provider of digital television entertainment in the United States, and DAZN, the world's leading sports entertainment platform, today announced a new multi-year distribution agreement for local telecasts of Cleveland Cavaliers, Indiana Pacers, Memphis Grizzlies, Minnesota Timberwolves, and San Antonio Spurs games for DIRECTV streaming, satellite, and U-verse customers in each team's respective NBA-designated home territories.

These DAZN telecasts will be available to DIRECTV customers who subscribe to the Choice or higher packages and to U-verse TV customers who subscribe to the U200 or higher package. Each of DAZN's team services provides live pregame, postgame, and in-game coverage for the respective team.

In the coming weeks, customers who receive access to these teams via DIRECTV will also be able to login to the DAZN platform at no additional cost using their DIRECTV login credentials.

This agreement also provides distribution rights to each of the five NBA teams to all of DIRECTV FOR BUSINESS' thousands of sports bars, restaurants, fitness clubs, and other commercial venues located within each team's respective region.

Reactions: dtv757 and Mr Tony

doctor J

Today at 7:25 AM

DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 28 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 28 2026 vs Oct 21 2026:

No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 15 TID 12 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 13

2 Previously unused Transponders with current APG records::
Net 0 TID 28 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D16@101, TPN 29
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K	4
HD	264		1449
SD mpeg4	144	-1	194
SD mpeg2	434	1
RB
Audio	89
Push	26
Slate	19		1

TEST Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K
HD			1
SD mpeg4
SD mpeg2
RB
Engr Work	38

The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
A few remaps
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters

doctor J

Today at 7:26 AM

Weekly Analysis for 10/28/2026:

Weekly_Analysis_261028.xlsx 16 KB

KyL416

Today at 8:31 AM

ElectionHQ mixes testing with BBC News, CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC, MSNOW, NewsMax and NewsNation

Some more reshuffles

Updating the TMSIDs for KSBI and KQCW to use the cable feeds with Thunder games instead of the OTA feeds

An additional commercial PPV channel is now on 9530

View all replies (2168)

Booredatwork.com

Today at 8:12 AM · posted in BooredAtWork.COM

Amazon Echo Show 16: Now this is it!

Time for another AWESOME video from BoredAtWork!

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wVSqE_URJIo

Direct YouTube Link - Amazon Echo Show 16: Now this is it!
Booredatwork.com Website
Booredatwork on Facebook

0 Replies · 15 views

Replies Reply Legacy View

TFLEV

Today at 7:02 AM · posted in TFLEV

Can You ACTUALLY Use the Mazda CX-90 PHEV As an Electric Commuter? | Baseline Challenge

Time for another AWESOME video from TFL Electric Vehicles!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-HYgO5Lpa8

Direct YouTube Link - Can You ACTUALLY Use the Mazda CX-90 PHEV As an Electric Commuter? | Baseline Challenge

0 Replies · 19 views

Replies Reply Legacy View

TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 3:02 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Apple's All-New iPad mini

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtLJGwEtyT0

Direct YouTube Link - Apple's All-New iPad mini
TWIT's Website
TWIT Live Feed

0 Replies · 23 views

Replies Reply Legacy View

JSheridan

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 1:01 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

175 Replies · 5142 views

Load Replies (175) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: That American Girl, MikeD-C05, AkaDoubleG and 6 others

Strega

Friday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Reactions: charlesrshell

Jimbo

Friday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

Reactions: charlesrshell

Mister B

Saturday at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

Reactions: gasman882001, Almighty1, savarese04 and 1 other person

slow_poke_pete

Monday at 10:40 AM

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

can't forget the little blue m&m's

Reactions: Almighty1, charlesrshell and telstar_1

charlesrshell

Monday at 11:23 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
can't forget the little blue m&m's

That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

Reactions: Almighty1, slow_poke_pete, MikeD-C05 and 2 others

telstar_1

Monday at 8:12 PM

Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

Reactions: charlesrshell

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 2:09 AM

charlesrshell said:
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh

Reactions: MikeD-C05, charlesrshell and HipKat

Almighty1

Yesterday at 4:04 PM

telstar_1 said:
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

He does not have the resources aka $$$ compared to Elon Musk as in reality, Elon can eat Charlie for lunch or even mop the floor with Charlie if he wanted to.

Reactions: charlesrshell

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 4:58 PM

ment to 20 yrs dam phone

Reactions: charlesrshell

BradleyD

Yesterday at 11:57 PM

Dish should use both satellite and internet like they do now for all channels. Use either or or both.... like now but subscribers could choose something like internet only, or sat only, or both.

Reactions: charlesrshell

slow_poke_pete

Today at 1:01 AM

BradleyD said:
Dish should use both satellite and internet like they do now for all channels. Use either or or both.... like now but subscribers could choose something like internet only, or sat only, or both.

They have sling tv wich sucks ass it needs a major upgrade

Reactions: charlesrshell

View all replies (175)

Top

Back

Search

Search

Social Feed

CES 2017: LG Intros First ATSC 3.0 4KTVs

SiriusXM announces 25 Holiday Channels for 2026

SiriusXM Delivers the Soundtrack to the Holidays with Its Festive Lineup of 25 Handcrafted Seasonal Music Channels

At least 64 dead in Spanish passenger train collision

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

Song Name Game Part 3!

Susan Saint James, Emmy-Winning Star of 'Kate & Allie' and 'McMillan & Wife,' Dies at 80

Susan Saint James, Emmy-Winning Star of ‘Kate & Allie’ and ‘McMillan & Wife,’ Dies at 80

House Passes AM Radio For Every Vehicle Act

House Passes AM Radio For Every Vehicle Act

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/21/2026

Amazon Echo Show 16: Now this is it!

Can You ACTUALLY Use the Mazda CX-90 PHEV As an Electric Commuter? | Baseline Challenge

Apple's All-New iPad mini

All DMA's now Western Arc