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Hi everyone!
I hope this is the correct forum for this thread.

I am looking for more info and opinions on my new quest for OTA television for cutting the cord! I am on the fringe I guess and in a small valley of sorts, and being this is my first time gathering info and finding the best antenna for my location I am hoping some of you have seen and worked with some numbers like mine and know what I can expect from any antennas or specific ones.

I am lucky that all my towers are in just a few degrees of each other which leads me to think some high gain directional antenna should fit the bill.

I have listed 3 different TVFOOL signal analysis below, with each one being a different height to give you an idea about my location. As for directly in the way of my future antenna there are some trees about 150yds away which is also uphill a bit, and the bigger elevation is probably a half mile away or so. I'm guessing the initial coax run will be right about at 50'.

I feel I can easily get to 20' in elevation, and 25' without too much more work. But the 30' would take quite a bit more effort and hopefully don't need to do that. But if any of you can read these numbers and have a good inkling of what can be expected at 20 or 25' I'd love to hear it.



***It seems the site won't let me post any links..... at least I'm guessing that's the problem it's having. If this posts this time then that was the problem. And I'll have to find another way to get the info across.***



I plan on getting whichever antenna seems the best after my research and just living with the channels it gets me unless it's only like 2 or 3 of them.

Also I'm not opposed to an amplifier if it is determined to be needed. I haven't decided if I will feed more than the one TV. But to get to the others I would probably have to add another 50' to the initial coax run to get to the existing coax/splitter of the DirecTV installation area. (which would be much easier on me than all new runs).

Anyway sorry about the "wall of text". Thanks for reading and thanks in advance for any thoughts or opinions on any of the antennas, signals, numbers or any other antennas etc. :) Your experiences are greatly appreciated.

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harshness
How many TVs total?

Insertion loss for a properly install coupler is around 0.1dB.

How is it that in such a topographically challenged state as Kansas that so many OTA hopefuls have multiple edge reception issues?
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How is it that in such a topographically challenged state as Kansas that so many OTA hopefuls have multiple edge reception issues?

It's a common misconception that Kansas is flat.
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It's a common misconception that Kansas is flat.
The area around Whichita appears to vary by less than 500' for at least 100 miles in every direction. It appears that things don't get particularly interesting until you get close to Colorado (much as Texas doesn't get interesting until you get close to New Mexico).

Oregon, for example, varies as much as 11,000' in 120 miles (Sea Level to the summit of Mt. Hood).
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The area around Whichita appears to vary by less than 500' for at least 100 miles in every direction. It appears that things don't get particularly interesting until you get close to Colorado (much as Texas doesn't get interesting until you get close to New Mexico).

Oregon, for example, varies as much as 11,000' in 120 miles (Sea Level to the summit of Mt. Hood).

Hays Kansas is 2000 feet. You start climbing once you get west of Topeka.
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How many TVs total?

Insertion loss for a properly install coupler is around 0.1dB.

How is it that in such a topographically challenged state as Kansas that so many OTA hopefuls have multiple edge reception issues?

I am currently split to only 2 TVs. Some day if I find the need I could change to a 3-way and feed a 3rd TV. And might do it anyway just to experiment one of these days. BTW the TV that gets worse reception is also the line that I am inserting power into. Not sure that matters just pointing it out in case.

So I'm guessing if the coupler is properly installed you are saying it's probably not causing the lack of reception...?

My residence falls into the edge of an area in Kansas and Northern Oklahoma called the Flint Hills.
Flint Hills - Wikipedia

All I guess it takes is to be one of the unlucky ones that is at the bottom of one of the Flint Hills. Like me who then have all the 1 or 2Edge signals.... Consequently anyone not in the Flint Hills nor is living further west towards Colorado gets to see their dog for days as it runs away from home!! :) Not to mention if they are on top of one of the flint hills then they are probably also in LOS with nearly every broadcast tower in the state! :)

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All of the hills look pretty random when you are too close to the earth... but get the correct view from a commercial airliner and you start to see the hills aren't so random. In fact you'll see that view reminds you of looking at the veins in a leaf. They all follow suit in the picture as a whole!
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Hays Kansas is 2000 feet. You start climbing once you get west of Topeka.
It is that relatively gentle ascent that makes it "uninteresting".
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It is that relatively gentle ascent that makes it "uninteresting".
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It's the constant negativity in your tone that makes your posts "uninteresting."
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Here are some photos I took of the area I live in.

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TW the TV that gets worse reception is also the line that I am inserting power into. Not sure that matters just pointing it out in case.
I would guess that the insertion loss isn't much more than that of a coupler. Getting a whole other level of stations suggests that there may be other compromises (additional splitters?) in the line or the tuner really is that poor.
So I'm guessing if the coupler is properly installed you are saying it's probably not causing the lack of reception...?
Doesn't seem likely unless it is defective (I've seen couplers that came without any center connector) or there has been moisture in in the cable or connection that have messed with the impedance.

I'd try getting a fresh 100' cable and running it through doors or windows direct from the splitter (or preamp output if convenient) to the theater tuner and see if your theater room channel count improves.
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I would guess that the insertion loss isn't much more than that of a coupler. Getting a whole other level of stations suggests that there may be other compromises (additional splitters?) in the line or the tuner really is that poor.Doesn't seem likely unless it is defective (I've seen couplers that came without any center connector) or there has been moisture in in the cable or connection that have messed with the impedance.

I'd try getting a fresh 100' cable and running it through doors or windows direct from the splitter (or preamp output if convenient) to the theater tuner and see if your theater room channel count improves.

I'll probably do this to see what I find. I have plans to replace the coax coming from the antenna's anyway.. I think it's cheap stuff that I had laying around and currently is longer than is required. Though it seems to provide enough signal that one TV can get almost twice the channels as the other. But at the least I will get it cut down to save some additional loss.

Yeah that one to the theater room with the longer run outdoors does seem to be pretty weathered. And then terminates at the wall plate in the wall. So wouldn't surprise me something there is compromised.
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Many thanks to all that have read this thread and or provided insight to my goal of OTA! And ultimately Cutting-The-Cord!!

I have come a long way in just a few weeks and this is the place that answered my questions and had plenty of advice to help me out! I will attempt to continue to update this thread as I make all of the final installation changes and fixes as I get to the point that this endeavor is at it's peak of completeness!! :)

Thanks again for providing a path for success.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life. 🍺

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Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life. 🍺

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Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...
Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.
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Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...
Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.
I've been retired since October. It was very strange at first. But I'm loving it now.
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Creamy flat chicken enchiladas with green chile, beans and rice.

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Layered Spicy Dorito / chili cheese Frito pie casserole…real sugar Pepsi
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I had a very unusual but delicious 1/4lb hotdog with cream cheese, raspberry preserves and chopped Hatch green chile. It is an unlikely combination but it works.


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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.😎
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Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2
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Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet :)
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Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it. :rolleyes: :hatsoff2
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According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

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According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

Many of these in my DMA are on cell towers, so don't always reach very far because the towers aren't very high.
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zippyfrog
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Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

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Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees
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Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees
Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.
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Does cable charge box rent?
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