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Tivo UI

Would Dish service be better if the current UI were replaced with the Tivo experience while keeping Dish hardware and features like PTAT?
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I think I should have said Tivo OS instead of Tivo UI. The main benefit being functionality rather than appearance. Stuff like not skipping recordings or deleting timers at random.
Anyway, I'll leave it for others to debate. I usually enjoy forums like this but this one isn't fun for me anymore so this will be my last post here.
To everyone who has helped me, thank you, keep doing what you do and take care. :heartbeat:biggrin
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Jackonearth said:
I think I should have said Tivo OS instead of Tivo UI. The main benefit being functionality rather than appearance. Stuff like not skipping recordings or deleting timers at random.
Anyway, I'll leave it for others to debate. I usually enjoy forums like this but this one isn't fun for me anymore so this will be my last post here.
To everyone who has helped me, thank you, keep doing what you do and take care. :heartbeat:biggrin
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Don't let the haters get to you. I personally think your question was a valid one to ask. That said, Tivos do miss recordings. One of the reasons I left Tivo was the terrible Rovi guide data. Things still are not as good as they were with Tribune data, but they are probably similar to what we have with Dish. The disappearing timers sounds like database corruption to me, which could happen just as easily with Tivo OS.
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As an owner of three different series of TiVo and a frequent viewer and participant of the TiVo Community forums, I can tell you that TiVo and its latest Hydra is just as controversial with a lot of haters and some likers. And let's also add that DirecTV's latest UI update is also just as controversial as tivo's Hydra and Hoppers carbon UI with a lot of haters there DirecTV as well. It is so unfortunate that dish DirecTV and TiVo are all in the same quicksand when it comes to the latest DVR's they offer. No it really isn't greener on the other side of the fence at the DirecTV or TiVo. Unfortunately the new TiVo VOX will by default come with a hydra with no option to go back to the older UI unlike older TiVo DVRs that had Series 5 UI can revert from Hydra if they can't stand Hydra but of course they lose all their recordings in the process. Put simply, Genie, Hopper, TiVo and Hydra are all a mess right now. And even uses of Hydra are now complaining that some of their recordings have not been made that their one passes are not working or that recordings some have been erased before they had a chance to watch it. Okay, it seems like dish and TiVo have much more in common they what your idea of trades suggest. And there have been some people who left TiVo specifically because of Hydra and the rovi metadata mess before it and a few other rotten changes before that too. Meanwhile the older TiVo S3 S4 and S5 work very well not so for Hydra. That's a lot like the older dish VIP DVR that seem to be working better than the new carbon you are DVRs.

For what it's worth, dish echostar already has lifetime license of all TiVo patents--pre-Rovi acquisition-- as part of the old Tom Rogers TiVo patent settlement. Dish also has more recently licensed some Rovi patents that it is using as well. And of course dish, among the other largest and MVPD's, had dumped Gracenote and now have agreements to use the Rovi/TiVo metadata, and that was a a degrade and we're still waiting for Rovi to clean up its mess ever so slowly.

To answer your question OP: no , we're not interested in trading infuriating dish problems for infuriating TiVo problems, nor are we interested in trading in for infuriating DirecTV Genie problems.
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Never had a problem with Tivo Minis losing connection, and the UI was SOOOO much faster than the Joey 2.0s I have now. I had a Tivo Stream which worked well for downloading to a mobile device, but out of home streaming never worked for me. Both the Tivo and H3 solutions are good options IMHO. Both are somewhat better than the options from DirecTV, and much, much better than anything I've seen from a cable company.
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Don't let the haters get to you. I personally think your question was a valid one to ask. That said, Tivos do miss recordings. One of the reasons I left Tivo was the terrible Rovi guide data. Things still are not as good as they were with Tribune data, but they are probably similar to what we have with Dish. The disappearing timers sounds like database corruption to me, which could happen just as easily with Tivo OS.
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Thanks for the info. I was about to buy a Tivo :rolleyes: but if it's skipping recordings too...
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As an owner of three different series of TiVo and a frequent viewer and participant of the TiVo Community forums, I can tell you that TiVo and its latest Hydra is just as controversial with a lot of haters and some likers. And let's also add that DirecTV's latest UI update is also just as controversial as tivo's Hydra and Hoppers carbon UI with a lot of haters there DirecTV as well. It is so unfortunate that dish DirecTV and TiVo are all in the same quicksand when it comes to the latest DVR's they offer. No it really isn't greener on the other side of the fence at the DirecTV or TiVo. Unfortunately the new TiVo VOX will by default come with a hydra with no option to go back to the older UI unlike older TiVo DVRs that had Series 5 UI can revert from Hydra if they can't stand Hydra but of course they lose all their recordings in the process. Put simply, Genie, Hopper, TiVo and Hydra are all a mess right now. And even uses of Hydra are now complaining that some of their recordings have not been made that their one passes are not working or that recordings some have been erased before they had a chance to watch it. Okay, it seems like dish and TiVo have much more in common they what your idea of trades suggest. And there have been some people who left TiVo specifically because of Hydra and the rovi metadata mess before it and a few other rotten changes before that too. Meanwhile the older TiVo S3 S4 and S5 work very well not so for Hydra. That's a lot like the older dish VIP DVR that seem to be working better than the new carbon you are DVRs.

For what it's worth, dish echostar already has lifetime license of all TiVo patents--pre-Rovi acquisition-- as part of the old Tom Rogers TiVo patent settlement. Dish also has more recently licensed some Rovi patents that it is using as well. And of course dish, among the other largest and MVPD's, had dumped Gracenote and now have agreements to use the Rovi/TiVo metadata, and that was a a degrade and we're still waiting for Rovi to clean up its mess ever so slowly.

To answer your question OP: no , we're not interested in trading infuriating dish problems for infuriating TiVo problems, nor are we interested in trading in for infuriating DirecTV Genie problems.
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Haven't had Directv in a long time. I couldn't tell you if the Genie is better or not. I never suggested it. I only mentioned the ancient Directv Tivo. But if you want something new, you should try the Xfinity X1 (this is a joke)
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I haven't missed any recordings on any of my Tivo's
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Thanks for the info. I was about to buy a Tivo :rolleyes: but if it's skipping recordings too...
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I was not trying to recommend against Tivo. I was just saying the experience is not guaranteed to be perfect. I don't currently have one, so I can not say for sure, but I'd expect Tivos to be as reliable as Hoppers.
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I have 6 TiVos of various generations , all working, I have never noticed a skipped recording on any TiVo device.
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Never had a problem with Tivo Minis losing connection, and the UI was SOOOO much faster than the Joey 2.0s I have now. I had a Tivo Stream which worked well for downloading to a mobile device, but out of home streaming never worked for me. Both the Tivo and H3 solutions are good options IMHO. Both are somewhat better than the options from DirecTV, and much, much better than anything I've seen from a cable company.
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OK, I do have to agree that the Tivo Mini is much faster than the Joey 2.0. And totally agree that the Tivo, and H3, are far better than the cable DVR's - at least the one available in my area (TWC/Charter). I certainly wouldn't say the Tivo was bad. I just prefer the H3.
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USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
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Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs
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Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?
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that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
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The 2030s will likely bring renewed health reform
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Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?
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Started my own business in 2006, been self employed for 20 years this year.
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that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
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Even sarcastically it's wrong. Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls." The immigrant-related pieces are a small part of the ~$1 trillion. They cut the federal match for emergency care from 90% to the state's regular rate and end eligibility for some lawful immigrants like refugees. Most of the "savings" come from work requirements, more frequent eligibility checks, and provider tax limits, which hit citizens.

Either way, the cost doesn't disappear. It shifts to states, hospitals, and everyone else's premiums and will only serve to make issues like those raised in this thread worse.
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Ep. 35 - Best Tech for a Deserted Island...

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)
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Breakfast for lunch. Crispy corned beef hash, home fries, two over easy eggs and sourdough toast.

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Auto Racing 2026

New thread or keep this one?

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Weird F1 weekend is already over with a Saturday race.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
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HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
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Cyberattacks Are Coming—Is Your Company Ready? #shorts

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Looking for former DIRECTV Cutting Edge testers who have now subscribed to DIRECTV Stream.

If you are a former Cuttinge Edge member who has converted to Stream, please contact me.
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Hopper 3 with Hopper plus internet connection problems

Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
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Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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I have a Hopper Plus and no issues either. charlesrshell has both a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and one without, he doesn't have the same issue. Before blaming it on the Hopper Plus, he should see if the problem still exists without the Hopper Plus connected as it could be the Internet connection itself or some setting in the router itself. There is someone in another thread who has EHD issues on the Hopper 3 only setup but does not have the EHD issues on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and he has already tried swapping the EHD and it did not make a difference so like the saying, YMMV.
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Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
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The Roku costs $$$, Hopper Plus is free. That may not be the only costs as it depends if the TV in question still has available HDMI ports and if not, it will require a HDMI switch and HDMI cable which adds more to the cost.

I have a LG 3D OLED Smart TV and I still need either of them because it does not have Android TV built in. Add a Hopper Plus and see if you actually have issues or not as until you actually tried it, it means nothing.
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$6.3 billion in crypto stolen by hackers

This should hit a lot of folks with a dose of reality. I can only imagine how much more common this will get as AI progresses.

I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.

www.cnbc.com

Hackers steal $6.3 billion from Binance in biggest-ever cryptocurrency theft

The company later added it began recovering assets impacted by the breach after pledging to cover losses using its Secure Asset Fund for Users.
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They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole.
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The "Secure Asset Fund" had about $1 billion in reserves... in Bitcoin.

The fund started in 2018, so it may take a while to make investors whole, much less replenish the fund.
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The "Secure Asset Fund" had about $1 billion in reserves... in Bitcoin.

The fund started in 2018, so it may take a while to make investors whole, much less replenish the fund.
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That's kinda what I was seeing but all the news reports are suggesting that all investors will be made whole immediately.
The other thing they weren't clear about was the BTC that was "locked out" of the system. I guess that means that the stolen BTC is basically worthless now because I don't see how it could be replaced....but there is a LOT about the crypto world that leaves me scratching my head.
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This is what scares me about cryptocurrency: there doesn't seem to be any oversight.

It seems more like politics than investing.
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A few clarifications... the ~$3B "locked" was mostly stablecoins (USDT/USDC). Tether and Circle can blacklist their own tokens, which makes those worthless to the thief. Bitcoin and ETH have no issuer, so they can't be frozen. That's the ~$2.4–3.3B the hackers still have, so the stolen BTC is very much not worthless to them. It was also spread across 10 blockchains, not just bitcoin. On getting made whole: SAFU is ~15,000 BTC (~$1.2B), and Binance says it'll cover the rest from company funds. Analysts don't see it as a solvency problem, and withdrawals are expected back within days.

The attack was pinned on North Korea's TraderTraitor group via a compromised engineer laptop. Like many hacks and compromises, that's old-school social engineering, not AI.

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This is what scares me about cryptocurrency: there doesn't seem to be any oversight.

It seems more like politics than investing.
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That's the tradeoff stablecoins make - a central issuer that can freeze funds, which is why half the loot got stopped. Bitcoin and ETH have no one in charge, so nobody can reverse a theft, but nobody can freeze your coins either. Stablecoins trade price volatility for trusting a central issuer.
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That's the tradeoff stablecoins make - a central issuer that can freeze funds, which is why half the loot got stopped. Bitcoin and ETH have no one in charge, so nobody can reverse a theft, but nobody can freeze your coins either. Stablecoins trade price volatility for trusting a central issuer.
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Thanks....that fills in some of the missing pieces.
Why some of the money could be locked and the rest not was a gigantic hole is every story I read. I thought "well if they can lock up stolen BTC, then why couldn't they do the same thing to BTC that is used for ransom or some other illegal activity?". NOW I understand.
I miss the days when you could read a news story and now walk away with more questions than answers.
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