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Last reply Sep 8, 2018 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Question about install

Hello! I have a question that hopefully someone here will be able to help me out with. I have a new service installation set for Friday with 1 Hopper 3 and 3 Joey 3. My question is this: Will the installer install my own outdoor antenna that I purchased for the local channels? Right now, DISH is in a contract dispute with my local Fox channel and have been since April. I would prefer just getting an antenna installed that way I can just remove the local channel charge of $12 per month. I just wasn't sure with it being a new install for TV if they would also install an antenna for me. I was hoping I wouldn't have to get it installed and then have someone come back a second time to install the antenna.

Also, do you think I will notice a picture quality difference compared to the DIRECTV I have now? I've seen some say it's quite a noticeable difference while others say it's about the same. DIRECTV is just having too many bugs going on right now, particularly with pixelation.

I appreciate any info on this!

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Claude Greiner

Aug 30, 2018

Depends who you ordered it from.

I suggest you cancel your order and look up a local retailer. Explain the situation with the antenna and they will likely install it for free just to have your business.

If you ordered through Dish directly, or on the internet it will be either a Dish Installer or a sub contractor. They will do exactly what is on the work order. Nothing more!

A matter, i was a National Sales partner for Dish for several years. We learned through experience to promise nothing extra above and beyond the standard install because they won't do it.

If you want a mirror, an additional Tv or anything additional it needs to be on the work order and paid for before the installer shows up.

Some techs won't even let you modify the order once they arrive at your home. They make you cancel the whole order, and schedule another tech to come back out.

Bottom line, cancel your order and go through a local dealer. The local dealers are will go above and beyond to get a sale. They will take care of you.

Either that, or call Dish and order an antenna through them. But still chances are it will be on the order and the tech will find an excuse not to put it in, saying they where out stock or it was not on the work order.

Been there, done that. These techs do not like installing antennas.

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DR2242

Aug 30, 2018

Claude Greiner said:
Depends who you ordered it from.

I suggest you cancel your order and look up a local retailer. Explain the situation with the antenna and they will likely install it for free just to have your business.

If you ordered through Dish directly, or on the internet it will be either a Dish Installer or a sub contractor. They will do exactly what is on the work order. Nothing more!

A matter, i was a National Sales partner for Dish for several years. We learned through experience to promise nothing extra above and beyond the standard install because they won't do it.

If you want a mirror, an additional Tv or anything additional it needs to be on the work order and paid for before the installer shows up.

Some techs won't even let you modify the order once they arrive at your home. They make you cancel the whole order, and schedule another tech to come back out.

Bottom line, cancel your order and go through a local dealer. The local dealers are will go above and beyond to get a sale. They will take care of you.

Either that, or call Dish and order an antenna through them. But still chances are it will be on the order and the tech will find an excuse not to put it in, saying they where out stock or it was not on the work order.

Been there, done that. These techs do not like installing antennas.

Thanks for the information! I'm sure the antenna is something I can install myself, I just didn't have enough coaxial cabling. I'm still debating whether to keep the order in general since I have the NFL Sunday Ticket for this season. I'm just annoyed by DIRECTV's pixelation going on. I've had three service calls and they've told me it's a known issue. I call in and they don't have a clue, so who knows. My patience is starting to run out. I don't need the antenna with DIRECTV as they have all of my locals. May not be worth all the headache and just have to hope DIRECTV fixes the issues they've got going on. I've got to decide by Friday, either way. By what you said, getting the DISH/sub contractor to install it doesn't seem likely and if they did, who knows how much they would charge.

Claude Greiner

Aug 30, 2018

DR2242 said:
Thanks for the information! I'm sure the antenna is something I can install myself, I just didn't have enough coaxial cabling. I'm still debating whether to keep the order in general since I have the NFL Sunday Ticket for this season. I'm just annoyed by DIRECTV's pixelation going on. I've had three service calls and they've told me it's a known issue. I call in and they don't have a clue, so who knows. My patience is starting to run out. I don't need the antenna with DIRECTV as they have all of my locals. May not be worth all the headache and just have to hope DIRECTV fixes the issues they've got going on. I've got to decide by Friday, either way. By what you said, getting the DISH/sub contractor to install it doesn't seem likely and if they did, who knows how much they would charge.

I think it's $99 for the antenna install and that may include the antenna.

There is no known pixillation issue on Directv Something is going on with Your install or equipment and the tech they send out doesn't want to take the time to fix it.

The way you fix the issue your having is by starting to replace all the wiring and the LNB. If that does not work, then you replace the receivers.

Reminds me of a lady about 15 years ago who had Directv and was missing blocks of channels.

Turned out there was a transmitter near her home causing interference on the satellite frequencies causing transponder 19 not to come in.

She cancelled Directv and called me to install Dish.

I swap out the Directv dish and think I'm done in 10 minutes...

Same issue with dish on transponder 19.

So I had to move the Dish to the opposite side of the house where a brick wall was blocking the interference.

Any normal tech would have swapped the dish and got out of her house fast enough and not bothering checking all the channels.

She would have had the same problem with Dish if anyone else has installed her.

Unless the issue is related to software, there are very few "known" issues that would cause pixilation in the picture.

The only pixilation I have ever seen is a second or 2 after changing the channel. I even see that on cable.

DR2242

Aug 30, 2018

Claude Greiner said:
I think it's $99 for the antenna install and that may include the antenna.

There is no known pixillation issue on Directv Something is going on with Your install or equipment and the tech they send out doesn't want to take the time to fix it.

The way you fix the issue your having is by starting to replace all the wiring and the LNB. If that does not work, then you replace the receivers.

Reminds me of a lady about 15 years ago who had Directv and was missing blocks of channels.

Turned out there was a transmitter near her home causing interference on the satellite frequencies causing transponder 19 not to come in.

She cancelled Directv and called me to install Dish.

I swap out the Directv dish and think I'm done in 10 minutes...

Same issue with dish on transponder 19.

So I had to move the Dish to the opposite side of the house where a brick wall was blocking the interference.

Any normal tech would have swapped the dish and got out of her house fast enough and not bothering checking all the channels.

She would have had the same problem with Dish if anyone else has installed her.

Unless the issue is related to software, there are very few "known" issues that would cause pixilation in the picture.

The only pixilation I have ever seen is a second or 2 after changing the channel. I even see that on cable.

One thing I will say, the technician I've had come here a few times now, I'm impressed with. He did my original install and I know he's been with the company for at least 10 years. He's very well respected, I know a guy who worked for DIRECTV as far as a technician and he told me that this guy I've had was his go-to guy for any issues. He did my install and then has been here at least 2 times since and he has replaced the LNB and the cabling from the satellite to inside the home. It's got a clear line of sight according to him. I see others experiencing the same issue dating back to 2017. I saw 17 or 18 pages on the AT&T/DIRECTV forum with people having the same issue. I've got a brand new satellite dish, brand new LNB, brand new cabling, brand new receivers (they aren't reconditioned). I also got a different technician in one of the service calls and he came in and said "Sorry, this is a known issue and there's literally nothing I can do right now, we aren't even supposed to be getting sent out for these service calls" - I'm afraid it's not going to go away anytime soon, which has me considering DISH.

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ncted

Aug 30, 2018

Claude Greiner said:
Depends who you ordered it from.

I suggest you cancel your order and look up a local retailer. Explain the situation with the antenna and they will likely install it for free just to have your business.

If you ordered through Dish directly, or on the internet it will be either a Dish Installer or a sub contractor. They will do exactly what is on the work order. Nothing more!

A matter, i was a National Sales partner for Dish for several years. We learned through experience to promise nothing extra above and beyond the standard install because they won't do it.

If you want a mirror, an additional Tv or anything additional it needs to be on the work order and paid for before the installer shows up.

Some techs won't even let you modify the order once they arrive at your home. They make you cancel the whole order, and schedule another tech to come back out.

Bottom line, cancel your order and go through a local dealer. The local dealers are will go above and beyond to get a sale. They will take care of you.

Either that, or call Dish and order an antenna through them. But still chances are it will be on the order and the tech will find an excuse not to put it in, saying they where out stock or it was not on the work order.

Been there, done that. These techs do not like installing antennas.

That is all well and good if there are any local retailers in your area. There aren't even any shops near me that would install an antenna, and no Dish retailers other than Century Link who sub their Dish work out to random contractors. My install was done by a Dish employee. He did a great job and made sure I didn't want to add anything onto the order. He offered to install an OTA antenna, but it was UHF only, and we have one VHF channel now and more coming with the re-pack, so it wasn't really worth it. Also, he said he wouldn't have installed it on top of my chimney, where it would need to go to get clear air.

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DR2242

Sep 1, 2018

I ended up going ahead with the DISH installation. I asked the technician about the antenna and he just told me how to hook it up. You could tell he wasn't a fan of installing them. He said he's been getting so many service calls with customers wanting an antenna installed. I'm going to attempt to install the antenna myself and see how it goes. He installed a Hopper 3 and 3 Joey 3.0's. So far, so good. It's nice to have TV that actually works properly again!

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DR2242

Sep 8, 2018

I've either got something wrong or DISH is highly lacking in picture quality compared to DIRECTV. Most channels just seem to be lacking detail and seem grainy with a lot of artifacts in the background. Watching football on my local channels has been terrible with constant distortion of the picture throughout the game. Most of the problems I have seen have been on all of the local channels, but even the national channels don't look the greatest. Over the phone they said my signals were fine and such. No errors of any kind can be seen from the diagnostic page. When my installer installed it last week, he used my DIRECTV pole and included some little extra thing to the pole. He also used my existing cabling that I used with DIRECTV. I've got it set on the 4K/1080 option but have also tried 720P, which hasn't made a difference. It's doing it on all 4 TV's. I have a technician set to come out today but man, something just doesn't seem right. Seems to be lacking punch and I don't recall having this issue before. As noted above, I have the Hopper 3/Joey 3.0 setup. I am hoping there is something wrong and they find it, otherwise, I don't even know.

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NFL 2025-2026 Season

That's right folks. It is preseason football and the QB controversies are everywhere.

Cleveland signed Joe Flacco who turned 140 this year. He will likely be the starter, despite an incredibly hopeful performance from First Rounder-turn-Fifth Rounder pick Shedeur Sanders. Sanders pulled an oblique and will sit out the second game of the pre-season. My prediction is that Flacco will play roughly 17 snaps before *insert season ending injury*. The remainder of the season will see another 3 or 4 starters as injuries plagued Cleveland as it tries to rebuild after it rebuilt itself around a quarterback that could keep all his limbs intact. Meanwhile Haslam will be in court to help support the 'use funds that technically don't belong to the state' defense in order to help build a new stadium next to an airport. We keep hearing he'll go it alone, but no, he won't. There is tens of million in DOT related improvements necessary he doesn't want to pay for either.

In New England, the start of a new era. New England had unprecedented success under Belichick (whose name I still can't spell right) and have moved to former New England great Mike Vrabel. I'm pretty this is the first coach since Belichick. Right? The Patriots are rebuilding as well as trying to compete. Last season was difficult for Drake Maye who had to deal with an offensive line that practiced too much Buddhism and their passive stance on impeding the actions of others, led to Drake Maye running more yards behind scrimmage that the entire AFC East gained on offense.

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Apr 26, 2026

So, Pavia got passed over completely. Is he too short, or too disruptive? I enjoyed watching him last year. He played with the kind of enthusiasm all athletes could use a little of. He took a fairly good team to the edge of excellence.

Where will he go? Will he sign on to some team as an undrafted? Will he talk Vandy into paying him 5 million for another season in Nashville? Inquiring minds and all.

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Jimbo

Apr 26, 2026

rvvaquero said:
So, Pavia got passed over completely. Is he too short, or too disruptive? I enjoyed watching him last year. He played with the kind of enthusiasm all athletes could use a little of. He took a fairly good team to the edge of excellence.

Where will he go? Will he sign on to some team as an undrafted? Will he talk Vandy into paying him 5 million for another season in Nashville? Inquiring minds and all.

Well, he Can't go back to Vandy, thats not an option unless they changed the rules again.
Once you sign being eleigable for the NFL Draft, your out of school. (hopefully that Never changes)

Will he sign on with someone as an Undrafted player, I'd say Yes, some one will sign him to At least the 3rd qb, maybe the #2 if he does well in practice ...

Vanderbilt's media says Pavia is 6' ... not sure what he measured at the Combine (was he invited to it, I would imagine, but don't know)
IF he is 6' I would say yes he has a chance, there are alot of Qb's 6' and under that have gone on to play.

My guess is he's more like 5'9" or 5'10", its common for schools to pad the heights and weights.
Google says he's 5'10" ... I wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't give him a try.

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meStevo

Apr 26, 2026

Jimbo said:
Vanderbilt's media says Pavia is 6' ... not sure what he measured at the Combine

5' 9" and 7/8ths at the combine, lol. Clearly fudged some things for him at Vandy. He's also 24, and the 18th ranked QB of the class.

First Heisman finalist to go undrafted since 2014. Seems like his mouth and confidence didn't match his performance at the combine or teams expectations of his ability in the NFL.

Teams aren't interested in controversy unless the performance is there to justify it. Not worth it from your 3rd string / camp arm.

Wise of him to take the slice of humble pie and throw some balls for the Ravens, has little shot of making the active roster, but maybe he can play his way onto someone's scout team this year.

Or perhaps his road ends here, and he can try out for the UFL or something.

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Mike0616

Apr 26, 2026

meStevo said:
5' 9" and 7/8ths at the combine, lol. Clearly fudged some things for him at Vandy. He's also 24, and the 18th ranked QB of the class.

First Heisman finalist to go undrafted since 2014. Seems like his mouth and confidence didn't match his performance at the combine or teams expectations of his ability in the NFL.

Teams aren't interested in controversy unless the performance is there to justify it. Not worth it from your 3rd string / camp arm.

Wise of him to take the slice of humble pie and throw some balls for the Ravens, has little shot of making the active roster, but maybe he can play his way onto someone's scout team this year.

Or perhaps his road ends here, and he can try out for the UFL or something.

Think the old adage "sit quietly and be thought of as a fool or open your mouth and remove all doubt" comes to mind here. Wife and I were wondering who was advising him to talk to the press on draft day?
I lost the bet here, I figured he was a sure fire pick for Cleveland - mouth writes checks talent can't back up seems to be standard there.

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Jimbo

Apr 26, 2026

Mike0616 said:
Think the old adage "sit quietly and be thought of as a fool or open your mouth and remove all doubt" comes to mind here. Wife and I were wondering who was advising him to talk to the press on draft day?
I lost the bet here, I figured he was a sure fire pick for Cleveland - mouth writes checks talent can't back up seems to be standard there.

What did he say on Draft Day, I missed that one.

Mike0616

Apr 27, 2026

Jimbo said:
What did he say on Draft Day, I missed that one.

On draft day, he was bad mouthing all the teams that had passed on him, he was sooooo.much better than all the others who had been drafted, every single one of them!

Jimbo

Apr 27, 2026

Mike0616 said:
On draft day, he was bad mouthing all the teams that had passed on him, he was sooooo.much better than all the others who had been drafted, every single one of them!

Well, we obviously know that Class is not in his vocabulary.

He basically did the same thing when Indiana Won the CFP (and Mendoza won the Heisman)

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NFL will eventually need to come up with a new way to provide out-of-market games.

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So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

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Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Last reply Yesterday at 8:49 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

How things have changed

I was reading this article

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…

thehill.com

That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.

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Bruce

Oct 23, 2026

And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Jimbo

Oct 23, 2026

Bruce said:
And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?

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savarese04

Oct 24, 2026

Jimbo said:
Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.

Jimbo said:
Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...

Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.

Jimbo

Oct 24, 2026

savarese04 said:
Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.

Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.

I have turned some off, not others ...

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Jimbo said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/u4rACh-Tt5k?feature=share

Funny thing is that as the screen size and pic quality increase, the quality of the programming has DEcreased.

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Yesterday at 2:08 PM

Jimbo said:
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skipped the OLED Tv entirely?

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Yesterday at 8:49 PM

MikeD-C05 said:
skipped the OLED Tv entirely?

AI slop

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dishstaller

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Last reply Yesterday at 8:31 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Claude's site is still up and running. New link required

I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!

satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 5:34 PM

If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 8:29 PM

dishstaller said:
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!

satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 8:31 PM

Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working.

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osu1991

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Last reply Yesterday at 8:18 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.

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b4pjoe

Yesterday at 3:49 PM

osu1991 said:
Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

vazhog

Yesterday at 4:05 PM

that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

osu1991

Yesterday at 4:28 PM

b4pjoe said:
Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

Started my own business in 2006, been self employed for 20 years this year.

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meStevo

Yesterday at 4:52 PM

vazhog said:
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

Even sarcastically it's wrong. Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls." The immigrant-related pieces are a small part of the ~$1 trillion. They cut the federal match for emergency care from 90% to the state's regular rate and end eligibility for some lawful immigrants like refugees. Most of the "savings" come from work requirements, more frequent eligibility checks, and provider tax limits, which hit citizens.

Either way, the cost doesn't disappear. It shifts to states, hospitals, and everyone else's premiums and will only serve to make issues like those raised in this thread worse.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 5:05 PM

meStevo said:
Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls."

That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

- California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
- Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]
- Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]
- New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]
- Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
- Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]
- Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

meStevo

Yesterday at 5:55 PM

dishstaller said:
That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]

Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]

Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]

New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]

Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]

Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]

Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

Fair point, but it's consistent with what I said: no federal Medicaid money goes to undocumented immigrants. Those programs are state-funded, so the federal ~$1T cut can't touch them. Whatever states decide to do with their own programs is a separate budget decision.

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Yesterday at 8:18 PM

The feds give money to the states for them to use - Cutting the fed funding only means the taxpayer savings will passed onto the states that need to make up the Fed dollars cut -See the list above for those states affected

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What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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Oct 19, 2026

Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)

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Auto Racing 2026

New thread or keep this one?

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Weird F1 weekend is already over with a Saturday race.

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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…

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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.

dfergie said:
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…

HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.

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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.

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