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I am trying out something and I need your help ...Tell me if this would work..
I have made a deal with the build owner to suply sat tv to all the apartments ..
Now this is the question ...lets say that i was going to set up 50 receivers...each 1 on a different channel ...and i was going to us the buildings cable tv wire.. by the way the wires are dead nothing running though them...!! And I was to use a ASKA rfdm3 .....I think i would need 20 of them?? ....I hope ..lol ..now could i cascade all of them from rf out to rf in and so on till iI have all 50 channels working ???I realize that they are uhf ..so my channel grid would start from 14 and work its way up to 65 ...
So the end user would just have to turn on channel 14 on there uhf dial and work they way up for all the channels ???
Pleas help Thanks
I no that I am nuts for trying but what the hell
I am trying out something and I need your help ...Tell me if this would work..
I have made a deal with the build owner to suply sat tv to all the apartments ..
Now this is the question ...lets say that i was going to set up 50 receivers...each 1 on a different channel ...and i was going to us the buildings cable tv wire.. by the way the wires are dead nothing running though them...!! And I was to use a ASKA rfdm3 .....I think i would need 20 of them?? ....I hope ..lol ..now could i cascade all of them from rf out to rf in and so on till iI have all 50 channels working ???I realize that they are uhf ..so my channel grid would start from 14 and work its way up to 65 ...
So the end user would just have to turn on channel 14 on there uhf dial and work they way up for all the channels ???
Pleas help Thanks
I no that I am nuts for trying but what the hell
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Since you're supplying to "all apartments" you'll probably need to set up a commercial account (for MDU) with Dish Network for legal purposes.
On the financial side, the equipment needed could get expensive depending on what kind of quality and features you'd like to have in the distribution. But on the technical side (and not relating much to cost), it could be kept pretty simple...
My suggestion: get as many 4-channel modulators as you need for however many channels you'd like to set up. You mention 50, so 13 modulators will do but make it 14 to keep bad luck away.
Also, even numbers make things a little nicer; but powers of 2, like 16 modulators, could make things even nicer. 
ChannelPlus (aka OpenHouse) makes nice units, in both stereo audio output and mono audio output (but both kinds take stereo input). I have one of their "residential" quad-input mono modulators (model 5545), and one of their residential quad-input stereo modulators (model 5645) and both work very well. See my signature for more information.
With those 14 or 16 modulators, you don't need to use up every input, leave a few unused in the event one channel goes out on a unit at some in the future. Anyways, just tie the RF outputs of the modulators together using standard splitters connected in reverse. With that many modulators I'd have to do the math to see which is best, using all 2-way, all 4-way, some 8-way, etc. (accounting for the attenuation through the splitter tree). After they are all combined, you'll need an amplifier (launch amp) to re-boost the output levels back up so they can make it through the long runs and splits to each apartment.
Note, if you use residential grade equipment, you'll need to leave [at least] 1 unused channel between every channel you are outputting on. Also, depending on the quality of the entire cable structure, you'll most likely have to skip over other channels if your local broadcast stations are strong enough where you are located, to avoid ingress.
Alternatively, you can use commercial grade modulators, which usually come in 19" rackmount configurations, but those are considerably more expensive. With that higher cost, though, comes higher quality and more features. For instance, you don't have to leave 1-channel gaps between your output channels when using commercial modulators.
... I'm sure others on here can present alternate ideas that are better in one aspect or another (or just entirely better than the above plan), so keep in mind the above is just one guy's suggestion.
And welcome to the site, Treecutter.
On the financial side, the equipment needed could get expensive depending on what kind of quality and features you'd like to have in the distribution. But on the technical side (and not relating much to cost), it could be kept pretty simple...
My suggestion: get as many 4-channel modulators as you need for however many channels you'd like to set up. You mention 50, so 13 modulators will do but make it 14 to keep bad luck away.
Also, even numbers make things a little nicer; but powers of 2, like 16 modulators, could make things even nicer. ChannelPlus (aka OpenHouse) makes nice units, in both stereo audio output and mono audio output (but both kinds take stereo input). I have one of their "residential" quad-input mono modulators (model 5545), and one of their residential quad-input stereo modulators (model 5645) and both work very well. See my signature for more information.
With those 14 or 16 modulators, you don't need to use up every input, leave a few unused in the event one channel goes out on a unit at some in the future. Anyways, just tie the RF outputs of the modulators together using standard splitters connected in reverse. With that many modulators I'd have to do the math to see which is best, using all 2-way, all 4-way, some 8-way, etc. (accounting for the attenuation through the splitter tree). After they are all combined, you'll need an amplifier (launch amp) to re-boost the output levels back up so they can make it through the long runs and splits to each apartment.
Note, if you use residential grade equipment, you'll need to leave [at least] 1 unused channel between every channel you are outputting on. Also, depending on the quality of the entire cable structure, you'll most likely have to skip over other channels if your local broadcast stations are strong enough where you are located, to avoid ingress.
Alternatively, you can use commercial grade modulators, which usually come in 19" rackmount configurations, but those are considerably more expensive. With that higher cost, though, comes higher quality and more features. For instance, you don't have to leave 1-channel gaps between your output channels when using commercial modulators.
... I'm sure others on here can present alternate ideas that are better in one aspect or another (or just entirely better than the above plan), so keep in mind the above is just one guy's suggestion.
And welcome to the site, Treecutter.
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I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.
Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.
It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.
Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.
It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.
Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!
A couple of pieces of info:
When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.
Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
A couple of pieces of info:
- Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
- Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
- 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
- 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
- 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
- 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
- 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
- 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.
When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.
Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
- During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
- Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
- Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
- There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
- At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
- At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.
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I've had a H3 receiver for years but just recently began watching and recording 4k content. I'm consistently having the display revert to the upper left quarter of the screen after fast forwarding or pausing the playback of 4k recordings.
Some research I've done blames it on the Hopper as not having the processing power to quickly shift between the FF or pause playback formats and it leaves the playback device in a mode thinking that it's no longer receiving a 4k stream. So it displays the 1/4 image.
I've found that I can quickly recover back to a full screen 4k display by using the remote sequence Pause / Info / Resume.
I've tested this on two different monitors, but they're both LGs, so maybe it's the TVs, and not the Hopper? Is this a known problem? Anyone else experience this?
Some research I've done blames it on the Hopper as not having the processing power to quickly shift between the FF or pause playback formats and it leaves the playback device in a mode thinking that it's no longer receiving a 4k stream. So it displays the 1/4 image.
I've found that I can quickly recover back to a full screen 4k display by using the remote sequence Pause / Info / Resume.
I've tested this on two different monitors, but they're both LGs, so maybe it's the TVs, and not the Hopper? Is this a known problem? Anyone else experience this?
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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