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comfortably_numb
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https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/report-wireless-carriers-are-throttling-online-video

"A new report from Northeastern University and the University of Massachusetts shows that U.S. wireless carriers are throttling online video traffic "24/7," with AT&T and T-Mobile the biggest offenders."
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comfortably_numb
Of course most all "unlimited" plans have at least a couple of different limits so pretty much everyone in the business is rotten.

For awhile, I had my daughter on Verizon Prepaid's "Unlimited" plan. The congestion throttling happened so often that the data was unusable. If you know anything about me and where I live, the highest population around a cell tower is cattle, so I'm not buying the "congestion" argument.

Interestingly enough, the minute I swapped her plan for the one I'm on (16 gb) the throttling immediately stopped.
Juan
Depends on the size of the pipe feeding the tower....if its a t-1or t-3..you are SOL... you can only get so much bandwidth over barbed wire in those country areas
For awhile, I had my daughter on Verizon Prepaid's "Unlimited" plan. The congestion throttling happened so often that the data was unusable. If you know anything about me and where I live, the highest population around a cell tower is cattle, so I'm not buying the "congestion" argument.

Interestingly enough, the minute I swapped her plan for the one I'm on (16 gb) the throttling immediately stopped.

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comfortably_numb
Depends on the size of the pipe feeding the tower....if its a t-1or t-3..you are SOL... you can only get so much bandwidth over barbed wire in those country areas

The tower behind my house is fed 50/50 copper from Consolidated Communications
Juan
The speed of the data connection to the tower is what matters....I was joking about barbed wire
The tower behind my house is fed 50/50 copper from Consolidated Communications

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comfortably_numb
The speed of the data connection to the tower is what matters....I was joking about barbed wire

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I know; what I mean is 50 mbps up / 50 mbps down
Juan
No...the speed of the backbone pipe...that would be t1 or t3....50/50 on a backbone pipe is incredibly slow....most have atleast a oc3
I know; what I mean is 50 mbps up / 50 mbps down

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Juan
50/50 is probably provisioned fiber. If so, it could be upgraded in software if the equipment at both ends support the higher speeds.

Lots of T3s still on CDMA-only Verizon towers in my neck of the woods, FWIW.
if its 3g ..its going away..if its LTE it has to be atleast a oc3
ncted
if its 3g ..its going away..if its LTE it has to be atleast a oc3

Says who? I can't find anything that specifies what backhaul has to be for LTE sites.

CDMA sunset has been delayed until 1 year:

Verizon Delays 3G Network Shutdown | Light Reading
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Juan
Says who? I can't find anything that specifies what backhaul has to be for LTE sites.

CDMA sunset has been delayed until 1 year:

Verizon Delays 3G Network Shutdown | Light Reading
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Its in there...cdma been delayed for businesses not consumers...you have a year or 2....its not going to happen like a light switch in december....just when you want a new phone....drop dead date won't be until atleast 2021..so if you want to say you are correct...go ahead...just don't make any account changes

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ncted
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Its in there...cdma been delayed for businesses not consumers...you have a year or 2....its not going to happen like a light switch in december....just when you want a new phone....drop dead date won't be until atleast 2021..so if you want to say you are correct...go ahead...just don't make any account changes

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I would like to say I am correct regarding the 3G towers in my area, especially as my original post was in reference to the CDMA-only towers, and not consumer/business accounts in particular.

As for the OC3 requirement for LTE backhaul, I don't have an IEEE membership, so I cannot read those publications. I didn't see anything pertinent in the other links, so I asked a friend who used to work for VZW, and he said most of the LTE towers in central NC were on one form of fiber or another, but that the speeds varied a lot based on who was providing it. He said they would typically not have less than 100Mbps when using leased backhaul as of a few years ago, but there might be a few sites that had less in more remote areas. He mentioned there was a lot of variety across the US, depending on where you were, and mentioned some microwave backhaul out west that tended to go out when it rained too hard. It sounds like 50/50 would be pretty unusual, but not impossible, for leased backhaul.
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No...the speed of the backbone pipe...that would be t1 or t3....50/50 on a backbone pipe is incredibly slow....most have atleast a oc3
A T1 is 1.5mbps. A T3 tops out at under 45mbps (28 T1s). An OC3 tops out at 155mbps (63 T1s).

Of course since the speed depends on the plan and not the plant, how the tower is connected is a red herring.
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For starters LTE is 4g....CDMA is used for phone calls..not data...1 t3 has 28 t1s... then each t1 can handle 24 phone calls...the data is split off at the tower..internet has nothing to do with CDMA...thats why you can only surf or make a call with a verizon 3g phone...4g LTE..the call is either CDMA or inserted into the data stream...the enduser would have no idea what method is being used
I would like to say I am correct regarding the 3G towers in my area, especially as my original post was in reference to the CDMA-only towers, and not consumer/business accounts in particular.

As for the OC3 requirement for LTE backhaul, I don't have an IEEE membership, so I cannot read those publications. I didn't see anything pertinent in the other links, so I asked a friend who used to work for VZW, and he said most of the LTE towers in central NC were on one form of fiber or another, but that the speeds varied a lot based on who was providing it. He said they would typically not have less than 100Mbps when using leased backhaul as of a few years ago, but there might be a few sites that had less in more remote areas. He mentioned there was a lot of variety across the US, depending on where you were, and mentioned some microwave backhaul out west that tended to go out when it rained too hard. It sounds like 50/50 would be pretty unusual, but not impossible, for leased backhaul.

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Juan
Really..are you that clueless about backbone connections?... congestion at the tower is directly related to the internet connection....
A T1 is 1.5mbps. A T3 tops out at under 45mbps (28 T1s). An OC3 tops out at 155mbps (63 T1s).

Of course since the speed depends on the plan and not the plant, how the tower is connected is a red herring.

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comfortably_numb
For starters LTE is 4g

In the Verizon and Sprint world, yes. In the ATT / T-Mobile world, "4G" was HSPA.
ncted
In the Verizon and Sprint world, yes. In the ATT / T-Mobile world, "4G" was HSPA.

Just don't start with the 5GE crap.
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Why not? LOL
Just don't start with the 5GE crap.

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ATT "5GE" is a total deception foisted upon unwitting consumers. I'm not sure if Sprint's "real 5G" is legit or not, but I hear countless commercials advertising it every day:

True Mobile 5G | Sprint
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Why not? LOL

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:oldno The 4G HSPA+ kind of made sense at the time, but 5GE is just a marketing gimmick. I really wish Verizon would get 3G off their towers and refarm that spectrum for something newer, so I could switch away from AT&T and have something usable where I live.
harshness
Really..are you that clueless about backbone connections?... congestion at the tower is directly related to the internet connection....
Apparently you missed CN's comment about his daughter's plan.

You also said that carriers were using T1 and T3 connections. I imagine that is exceedingly rare.
Juan
Talking about the backhaul from the tower...why there might be congestion....thats all...if you have 50up and 50 down...you are still limited by the capacity of the tower...heavier use towers might have 16 lane highway to the internet...towers with less usage might have a 4 lane highway to the internet.....if you need me to oversimplify it further...let me know
Apparently you missed CN's comment about his daughter's plan.

You also said that carriers were using T1 and T3 connections. I imagine that is exceedingly rare.

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harshness
if you need me to oversimplify it further...let me know
Don't bother.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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The Show Must Go On - Pink Floyd
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If Love Must Go - Dobie Gray
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Drift Away - Dobie Gray
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Throwing It All Away - Genesis
dishstaller
All I Need is a Miracle - Mike + The Mechanics
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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So after some heavy research, it looks like the issue I mentioned with the DISH 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes where on the 50.0/52.0 remotes, the dedicated TV Power button or on the 54.x remotes where it is using the TV button on the side followed by Power works correctly on a Hopper 3 which runs Linux but not on a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 which are Android TV (ATV) has to do with the Android TV software itself. In all instances, the remotes had always sent out a dual RF and Infrared signal when the TV Power signal is sent from the remote. The Hopper 3 without the Plus would ignore the incoming RF power packet signal which is identified as a TV-specific toggle event, and does not trigger a system-wide standby state. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 as Android TV devices initially worked the same way as well up to sometime in 2025 as there was the legacy pass-through mode in the original software versions used since the Hopper Plus/Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 launch, the receiver's underlying software essentially ignored the secondary RF payload that the 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes blasted out whenever the TV Power signal was sent. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 recognized it was a TV-specific command and discarded the RF packet, letting the standalone IR signal do its job on the tv.

When the software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 were updated in 2025 and newer versions of the software for those Android TV (ATV) devices, it overhauled how the receiver handles remote commands to tighter integrate the Android TV environment which resulted in the software starting to treat any RF power toggle payload as a global command. As the newer software verion(s) no longer filters out the concurrent RF blast from the 50.0/52.0/54.0 remotes, the moment one sends a TV Power signal from the remote, the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 catches that unintended RF payloadand interpets it as a command to drop the system into standby.

The fix is really simple since the Android TV (ATV) software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 just needs to be programmed to drop or ignore the specific RF power packets associated with the TV Power signal sequence.

The problem could also be at the remotes firmware as the remote's firmware has an engineering defect. When you try to turn off the TV, the remote's internal code mistakenly triggers its RF transmitter alongside its IR transmitter. It should only be firing the IR light blast. Because it forces a simultaneous broadcast, the remote's firmware is the original source of the problem.

The Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey firmware has a filtering defect. Good software design dictating peripheral inputs should include "error handling"—rules that tell the system what to do with messy or unintended commands.
• The legacy Hopper 3 firmware has proper error handling; it sees the remote's rogue RF packet and safely ignores it.
• The Android TV firmware in the Hopper Plu, Joey 4 and Wireless lacks this filtering logic. It blindly accepts the rogue RF packet and misinterprets it as a legitimate signal to force the entire system into standby.

If the remote didn't have a firmware bug, it wouldn't send the phantom RF signal. If the Android TV (ATV) device being the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 didn't have a firmware bug, it would cleanly ignore the signal just like the Hopper 3 does.

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rvvaquero
That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.
GRB1959
That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.

This is exactly the same issue I was having as I had the Hopper 3 and 54 remote without the Hopper Plus and the symptoms were virtually identical to yours.
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ERSanders
We have had a corolary problem in this and the prior s/w. Using several different 40.0 remotes (yeah, we're old), when one pauses a live or recorded show it becomes a crap shoot whether it will step foreward the 30" as requested, jump to the end, or restart the episode. Tried the famous 60" reboot to no avail and have decided to live with it vs. a receiver swap risk.
T
I think there's a change to the "skip forward 30 seconds". With CBS that does not have auto-skip, if you stack up a bunch of 30 second forwards it seems to stop when the kangaroo signaling the end of the commercial break appears.
Van
Van
Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
Who says dinner or lunch has to be the only good meals of the day?

Honey butter grits with scrambled eggs and grilled boneless pork ribs on flakey biscuits washed down with cranberry juice.
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Cold morning today, only 32 degrees. Fired up the oven and made cinnamon rolls (from a tube) and a pot of coffee.
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2 egg burrito with bacon and a side of hashbrowns. Coffee.

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Breakfast Quesadillas. Grilled flour tortilla filled with scrambled eggs, hash browns, chopped green chile, cheddar & Jack cheese and bacon. Coffee.

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Bobby
Taco omelette. 3 eggs, taco meat from yesterday, diced green chilis, cheddar cheese, chopped red onion, avocado, black olives, chopped tomato, La Victoria Salsa Brava.

This one was really, really good!
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Thought I was getting a Chorizo and egg burrito (marker had rubbed off)but was a roast beef/potato I made up before hunting this morning.
Btw every morning at camp I cooked my homemade Chorizo and scrambled eggs plus sausage side while my brother brought bacon. (they liked both the beef and pork versions)
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone
We were up in Pigeon Forge, TN a month ago and we couldn't get anything on our phones to work on mobile data...the Ookla speed test app couldn't even do a speed test. I have an older 13 and went into my settings and turned off the 5G, making it use LTE exclusively....did a speed test of over 300mbps so obviously the 5G bands were overwhelmed. Anyway, tried to do the same thing on my Wife's 15 and the cellular data options tab simply wasn't there. Any of you run into this? We've on Verizon
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osu1991
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meStevo
First 2 eps out and it's unsurprisingly great to watch Paul Bettany and James Spader work.
osu1991
Watched the first episode and enjoyed it.
Foxbat
James Spader gets the best lines so far. I'm enjoying this series.
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osu1991
Finished the 2nd episode tonight. I'm really liking it so far.

Still hate weekly releases though, especially the way Disney and HBO do it waiting until 8pm to premiere it.
Foxbat
Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd🤓 since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.
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TheForce
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Last reply · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone
It's time for my wife to get a new iphone as her iphone 12 is getting weak battery life test says 70% compared to when new. But it is beginning to show signs of screen freezing as well.
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Foxbat
It may be the year to update my 13 to the 15.
Foxbat
BTW, iOS 26.1 is now out for iPhone, along with the OS 26.1 updates for all other supported Appley iDevices.
osu1991
Bought a Motorola G Power 5G android phone as a spare and to use for some work stuff. Was tired of work stuff cluttering up my iPhone 16 Pro. Didn't take long to remember why I originally went to an iPhone. 4hrs doing updates to step up from Android 14 updates to Android 15 and latest updates for 15. Ads on the Play store above the app I searched for is something I don't really remember from the last android phone I had 13-14 yrs ago. Face ID on iphone has spoiled me too.

I just wanted a cheap phone mainly for work pictures or I would have got an 17 Pro and used my 16 for work stuff, but no need to spend that kind of money. I don't even have cellular service on the Motorola, just using it on WiFi and added my google voice number to it with the app.
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Apple released their 2025 Holiday video. Friendly forest fauna find forgotten phone…
​

There's also a behind the scenes "Making of" video, too:
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Foxbat
BTW, iOS 26.1 is now out for iPhone, along with the OS 26.1 updates for all other supported Appley iDevices.
BTW, iOS 26.3 is now out for iPhone, along with the OS 26.3 updates for all other supported Appley iDevices.
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Foxbat
It may be the year to update my 13 to the 15.
Apple made me an offer I couldn't refuse. For whatever reason, they bumped up the Trade-in value of my iPhone 13, first to $180, and just recently to $195. So I took the Apple Cash from Apple card savings and the $195 trade-in and have a shiny new iPhone 17 nothing. The base 256 GB is more than enough for my needs.

Now I'm on the lookout for a leather case for it…
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My iPhone 17 is now running iOS 27.2 (whatever happened to 27.1.x?) and it looks like all the other Apple devices that can are releasing 27.2 (looks like it came out Monday)
"MysteryMan"
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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EarDemon
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.
WhiteBeard
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything. ☹️
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EarDemon
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything. ☹️
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
harshness
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI? By many accounts, it has been going downhill since Windows 7.

There are Linux desktops that offer Windows or Mac UIs, yet you don't hear much chatter about them outside of questions about when the creators might get sued.
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What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?
Because it's what I prefer. I know I've said this a few times, I use Open Shell to give me the cascading start menu a la WIN 95 and NT4.0. The only reason I went from Windows Vista to 7 back in the day was because of Classic Shell. I cannot stand anything other than the OG start menu from 30+ years ago. I'm using ExplorerPatcher to give me Windows 10 UI elements of the taskbar and right click context menus.

If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.
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EarDemon
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.
harshness
Because it's what I prefer.
I hope you don't believe that makes it wonderful (especially when you're using workarounds for Microsoft's malfeasance).

I use LibreOffice as opposed to Microsoft office (even in Windows) because it's UI is like the Office of old, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is (in a manner of speaking). The ribbon was one of the worst ideas to come out Redmond.
HipKat
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.
I used to pin the C: drive to the Win Taskbar and it would open in cascading style
"MysteryMan"
2026-10 Preview Update Builds: 26300.9818 and 26200.9818 (KB5127936) has been released. Moderate time needed for those choosing to perform a manual download/install/restart. Quality improvements only. No new operating system features.
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