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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Not sure how many watched yesterdays NFL game in 4k / HDR (1080P upconvert).

So I joined FUBOTV for a week trial for both 4k and the various sports channels.

A few good things and lots of bad with FUBOTV.

The article a week back said it wouldn't work with AppleTV in 4k.
But that is now fixed. Mine worked fine.
So that writers criticism must have forced Fox to fix it's AppleTV software.

Next you CAN NOT RECORD ANY 4k programs to the DVR using FUBOTV.

You can only watch a live stream and it's gone forever.
No replays and no way to save it to show your friends later.
HUGE FAIL BY FIBOTV.

As for the 4k / HDR picture it was good not great.
I viewed a good OLED and it looked dim and flat color.

ONLY 30 frame per second.
So that looked like ####.

But the high bitrate 1080P looked quite good.
And the HDR was also fantastic to see.
Detail in both light and dark areas.

The standard HD channels FOX local tv and the NFL channel both looked like garbage.
Loads of compress and motion artifacts. And the SDR had ultra bright white areas were
typically way to bright. A day game would have been a better test for HDR and probably would have
shined even more than a night game.

The 4k channel even with high bitrate HD and progressive still have visible artifacting with high speed motion and the slo-mo replays. Very obvious. Real 4k would look much better and should eliminate that.
We'll soon see via ESPN.

Anyway, on a side note most of FUBOTV tv channels in HD are still 30 frames a second.
Hard to watch any sports at 30fps.

But amazingly the BEIN Sport Extra channels feeds 4 - 8 looked fantastic.
I've never seen BEIN sport look that good.
Spain soccer matches.

Of course they force you to buy a more costly package to get it.
They've added a $25 spanish package but don't put these spanish channels in it or to add on.
Good move FUBOTV.

Their DVR will record UNLIMITED channels and the same time.
Forget a tuner limit with the satellite dvr.
You pay a little for a 500 hour DVR add on.

With Apple TV on SOME not all channels you can pause the recording you made and then
scroll through the time line and see your recording and play the bits you you want.

The older AppleTV remote lets you skip ON SOME channels 10 seconds.

Over all the much overused term "not ready for primetime" is exactly what FIBOTV is currently.

Their interface is crap.
Menu's are crap.
No 4k recording.

4k 30p NFL crap.

NO skipping on many channels.

But they do somethings right like unlimited tuners.
Only an issue when you hit 500 hours (if you pay for the dvr add on).

There are many many others gripes I had and I told them on a few long calls I had with them.
They also gave me a lot of wrong info at times.

They did have some good help on the phone.

ALL of it was in India I believe.

What FIBOTV needs to do is fix all their design flaw and dump every channel except sports.
Become a global source of every sports network and package.

They will get eaten up by youtubeTV and AppleTV, Amazon, Disney eventually.
Unless they are unique.

BTW, they said AppleTV is their top choice with FUBOTV by their company.
So it works better than any other box Roku, Amazon, etc.

BTW, the 4k channel even with a 25 meg connection wired, did not drop frame or freeze up.
Solid picture just 30P look super choppy and hard to watch.
But this upconverted 1080P HDR was really enjoyable compared to the regular HD channel.

Hard to watch other HD channels for sports after you see a better picture.

Hope this answers a few questions for you all.

Oh and the 4k channel doesn't show up in the guide until litterally same day or a few hours before show time.
Another bad move.

I'm cancelling after the free week.

Too many negatives right now and it pisses me off you can't record 4k.
Very stupid of them to do that.

Maybe they will improve things quickly.

I would go back if they do.

All 60P channels would be a first step in fixing their problems.

bjf
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Glad I read this on a Directv forum.....................
CycloneSat
Uh, this is the DIRECTV forum. Can staff move this post to where it belongs?
Nominal
My impression of fuboTV is somewhat more positive. I'm not going to quibble with the OP on the video frame rate critiques as I don't have a 4K tv (I do have an Apple TV 4K just to have the latest, fastest processor, however). I signed up back in February when they added my "real" RSN with the Houston pro teams, AT&T Sportsnet Southwest (up until the current dispute Dish has only carried Fox Sports Southwest for my area which is useless in Houston as they only have Dallas pro sports). I was willing to do without my RSN because I enjoy so many other things about Dish and I understand their philosophical opposition to "Regional Sports Fees" that non-sports fans can't opt out of. When fuboTV picked up ATTSW and I had a way to get it without switching to Xfinity or DirecTV I jumped at the chance, especially since the Astros and Rockets are now contenders.

I'm keeping Dish for the things they offer that fuboTV doesn't like a complete set of my local channels (pending any disputes) with DVR, the ESPN/Disney networks, the MLB Network and NHL Network. I did drop my Dish package down a tier as all the channels I was getting AT250 for, fubo has and I moved the extras I was getting from Dish like Showtime and RedZone over to fubo as well. It's nice to have all the Showtime channels including the Next, Women and Family channels Dish doesn't carry and they're all in HD. No more watching boxing matches on Showtime Extreme in a blurry postage stamp in the middle of the screen where Dish only has Extreme in SD. It's also nice to see so many channels I've only seen in SD on Dish in HD on fubo like Oxygen, TVG/TVG2 and Boomerang as well as having BBC World News in a mainstream package in HD like it is on other providers.

If I have to use a Cloud DVR, fubo's implementation comes the closest to something I can be comfortable with. The combo of an available 500 hours of storage (the same advertised HD hours of a Hopper) and being able to keep the recordings as long as I'm a subscriber with no auto-delete that I don't see any other service offering. That's probably why the restriction on recording 4K. You also can't DVR Showtime like you can on Dish, but they have the Showtime on demand library and you can log in to the Showtime Anytime app with your fubo credentials. fubo finally rolled out series recording options for their cloud dvr and it's been working well for me so far, as a bonus they still use Gracenote/Tribune guide data that Dish used to use before TiVo/Rovi. There have times when the guide data is incorrect or incomplete on Dish but the listings are correct on fubo. The split-screen feature (which works much like Dish's PIP) plus the mini-guide and swipe navigation to browse channels while still watching video are nice touches as well.

The UI is useable for me at least. The biggest complaint I have seems to happen across the board with streaming services from what I've read and that's technical issues when sometimes certain channels load slowly or not at all, especially Showtime. It happens more than I would like, but not often enough for me to cancel the service. I'm generally happy with Dish and as long as I can afford it I have no plans to leave, but one thing I like about this streaming era is that if your provider doesn't carry content that you want like HBO or AT&T Sportsnet Southwest and you're otherwise happy with them you have options to get the content you want without switching providers if you're willing to pay for it.
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· posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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White Wedding - Billy Idol
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White Christmas - Elvis Presley
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Dirty White Boy - Foreigner
Bobby
Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley
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Dirty Diana - Michael Jackson
osu1991
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Former member 208119
Class action.
a hopper 3 with 6 firesticks and or if you wanna spend even more money apple tv's
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
dishstaller
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
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Former member 209992
Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Scott Greczkowski
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
Foxbat
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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zipping right along here
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
OMG to freaking funny :biggrin
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

Not likely since that place closed down.
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TheRatPatrol
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
dfergie
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
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Oh weird, it was I think a 20 minute version of this.


View: https://youtu.be/nFM3BlYQJT4
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Weird F1 weekend is already over with a Saturday race.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
dfergie
Some tight games that went to the wire...
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.