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Altitudinous

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Last reply Oct 13, 2020 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Ways to knock down my Dish bill

Greetings. Have lurked occasionally and now have joined. Lots of very helpful information here.

My setup is a Hopper 3 since 2017 at home getting AT120 and a recently purchased Wally with a PlayMaker mostly for the RV, and a recently purchased 4K Joey for my home office. My understanding is this:
a. There is no financial benefit to my purchasing a Hopper 3 rather than continuing to lease one, as the $15/month fee would still apply, and if it breaks, they will come and replace it. That hard drive has been spinning for 3+ years.
b. There was no financial benefit to my purchasing a 4K Joey except that it allows me to turn it on and off (along with associated $7/month fee) as needed, and avoiding the $100 they quoted to roll a truck to hook up
the Joey. I connected the 4K Joey to the hub myself and it works great. They will charge $7/month just for actively using the 4K Joey that I purchased.
c. It looks like I can use the

button in MyDish to turn on and off the Joey or Wally (and billing) without having to call. Nice feature that I just noticed.
d. I could hook up my purchased AirTV OTA dongle (purchased originally to try with the Wally in the RV and recognized by the Wally) to my Hopper 3 and feed it with my working antenna to get OTA channels including
guide listings, and cancel the $12/month I've been paying for OTA service fed by spot beam. I'd be limited to two simultaneous OTA recordings using the AirTV. I guess my PrimeTime Anytime would either go dark or be limited to those two tuners.

I was thinking about buying another 4K Joey for another room, turned on in MyDish only when needed. I've used DishAnywhere on Fire Stick but there's nothing quite like the 30 sec forward skip/10 sec backward on the my 54.0 remotes. I know I could avoid another $7/month for a Joey by using DA.

Anything I've got incorrect and does anyone have any other ideas to save money on this? I may ask them about committing to another 2-year contract and see if they'd knock down my AT120 charge.

I've been really happy with the Dish service and love that they don't fight you on trying to skip commercials as noted above.

Thanks.

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sam_gordon

Oct 10, 2020

Altitudinous said:
Some of the subchannels don't seem to be showing program info in the Guide, but these are subchannels that I wasn't getting with the $12 package anyway. Or, maybe it takes more than a day to populate?

Dish does not provide program issues for many subchannels they don't carry. They don't care whether you get guide data for them or not.

Tampa8

Oct 10, 2020

sam_gordon said:
Dish does not provide program issues for many subchannels they don't carry. They don't care whether you get guide data for them or not.

With their move to get people to get locals OTA adding that information would make a difference

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sam_gordon

Oct 10, 2020

Tampa8 said:
With their move to get people to get locals OTA adding that information would make a difference

And the information is free. All Dish would need to do is program PSIP receivers/decoders into their OTA systems. And before someone says "that development costs money", if a television set can be sold for less than $200 and include it, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take Dish much to implement it.

Which is why I say Dish doesn't care whether you get guide data or not.

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pattykay

Oct 10, 2020

sam_gordon said:
And the information is free. All Dish would need to do is program PSIP receivers/decoders into their OTA systems. And before someone says "that development costs money", if a television set can be sold for less than $200 and include it, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take Dish much to implement it.

Which is why I say Dish doesn't care whether you get guide data or not.

As an alternative, I know what solution bluegras would like: Dish should just add a TV Guide app. (It wouldn't have to be the TV Guide brand-name, any reliable guide data app would do.) That way, all you would have to do is go to the app, and then select the subchannel in the app's guide to tune to it if you actually have that OTA channel scanned into your receiver. Even better, the app could show guide data for all available subchannels in your area, whether you actually have them scanned in yet or not. If Dish could provide a brand-name TV Guide app (for satellite-delivered channels) on ViP receivers many years ago, then it should not be that much harder to add such an app for this purpose (OTA guide data) to the Hoppers now.

sam_gordon

Oct 10, 2020

crodrules said:
As an alternative, I know what solution bluegras would like: Dish should just add a TV Guide app. (It wouldn't have to be the TV Guide brand-name, any reliable guide data app would do.) That way, all you would have to do is go to the app, and then select the subchannel in the app's guide to tune to it if you actually have that OTA channel scanned into your receiver. Even better, the app could show guide data for all available subchannels in your area, whether you actually have them scanned in yet or not. If Dish could provide a brand-name TV Guide app (for satellite-delivered channels) on ViP receivers many years ago, then it should not be that much harder to add such an app for this purpose (OTA guide data) to the Hoppers now.

Ah, but presumably Dish would have to pay for the app, probably on a monthly basis, PLUS pay to code it to include in the receivers. PSIP data has been standardized for over a decade, getting close to two now. Once it's coded, that's it, $0.

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pattykay

Oct 10, 2020

sam_gordon said:
Ah, but presumably Dish would have to pay for the app, probably on a monthly basis, PLUS pay to code it to include in the receivers. PSIP data has been standardized for over a decade, getting close to two now. Once it's coded, that's it, $0.

Yes, but then there is really no excuse for not also doing this for the ViP receivers, which also integrate OTA channels into the guide. Of course, that would require Dish to come up with new software to add this feature to receivers that are now really old, and which Dish is actively trying to phase out. So of course, that is not going to happen. However, if Dish starts utilizing PSIP on the Hoppers only, and leaves out the ViP's, I could see a huge outcry from ViP users with OTA, "Why not us?!" Doing it as an app would be easier to justify for Hoppers only. Certainly by now, ViP users are quite used to hearing about plenty of other apps that are only available on Hoppers. So, this would be no different from that.

sam_gordon

Oct 11, 2020

crodrules said:
Yes, but then there is really no excuse for not also doing this for the ViP receivers, which also integrate OTA channels into the guide. Of course, that would require Dish to come up with new software to add this feature to receivers that are now really old, and which Dish is actively trying to phase out. So of course, that is not going to happen. However, if Dish starts utilizing PSIP on the Hoppers only, and leaves out the ViP's, I could see a huge outcry from ViP users with OTA, "Why not us?!" Doing it as an app would be easier to justify for Hoppers only. Certainly by now, ViP users are quite used to hearing about plenty of other apps that are only available on Hoppers. So, this would be no different from that.

They can do it how they want to. Using PSIP would be the cheapest (someone always brings up the cost of implementing PSIP). The fact that they don't tells me they don't care about whether users can see/use the guide data or not. That's all I'm saying.

Bobby

Oct 11, 2020

sam_gordon said:
They can do it how they want to. Using PSIP would be the cheapest (someone always brings up the cost of implementing PSIP). The fact that they don't tells me they don't care about whether users can see/use the guide data or not. That's all I'm saying.

PSIP has come up many times over the years. One of the reasons it isn't used is that PSIP doesn't go out 2 weeks, more like 3 days if you're lucky. That doesn't work so well when setting up advance recordings.

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sam_gordon

Oct 11, 2020

Bobby said:
PSIP has come up many times over the years. One of the reasons it isn't used is that PSIP doesn't go out 2 weeks, more like 3 days if you're lucky. That doesn't work so well when setting up advance recordings.

So it makes more sense to have zero days than three days (or two, or even 24 hours)? Do I have that right? Can you explain that argument to me?

And while I'm at it, let's say there's a show I want to record that I know right now is airing on November 1. I can't set up the recording because the data doesn't go that far out. So we shouldn't have any guide data at all?

So the main arguments against using PSIP are:
* It costs too much money (despite the fact cheap TVs have been able to use it for over a decade)
* It doesn't give enough data (so it's preferable to have none)
* You can't set up recordings in advance (but there's a fixed amount of time you can set up recordings with the current data).

OR
* Dish doesn't care

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dweber

Oct 11, 2020

It would probably be hard for the Hopper to determine whether to use PSIP data for the Guide, which is only 1-3 days depending on the station, or the normal Dish Guide data which is for 2 weeks.
On my old Sony TV which used TV Guide (which no longer is supported) you had the choice of either selecting TV Guide or Broadcaster for the Program Information Source. You could not have both selected.
In the Columbus and Dayton Ohio markets several independent stations have no PSIP program data and most only have a max of 3 days of program data.

Since Dish has added many of the diginet channels, what would be a better solution is for Dish to add the Guide data to the OTA subchannels that match what they already carry.

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sam_gordon

Oct 11, 2020

dweber said:
It would probably be hard for the Hopper to determine whether to use PSIP data for the Guide, which is only 1-3 days depending on the station, or the normal Dish Guide data which is for 2 weeks.

It's been a long time since I took a computer programming class, but a simple IF/ELSE statement should suffice...
IF there is Dish guide data, use that.
ELSE use PSIP.

On my old Sony TV which used TV Guide (which no longer is supported) you had the choice of either selecting TV Guide or Broadcaster for the Program Information Source. You could not have both selected.
In the Columbus and Dayton Ohio markets several independent stations have no PSIP program data and most only have a max of 3 days of program data.

I thought PSIP was required. Maybe not for low power?

And again, you'd prefer to have no data than three days? Please, someone explain that logic to me.

Since Dish has added many of the diginet channels, what would be a better solution is for Dish to add the Guide data to the OTA subchannels that match what they already carry.

I'm willing to wager there are MANY more diginet channels than those Dish carries. I'm pretty sure Dish only carries one subchannel in my market. I think there are over a dozen available OTA.

pattykay

Oct 11, 2020

sam_gordon said:
So it makes more sense to have zero days than three days (or two, or even 24 hours)? Do I have that right? Can you explain that argument to me?...

A two-day guide would work well for non-DVR receivers, since that is as far out as the Dish-delivered guide data goes anyway. So, it would be seamless to the user, who would not care what the source of the guide data was. When you get to DVR receivers with extended guides though (by the way, which model(s) have a two-week guide, since my Dish guide only goes out one week?) then Dish would likely get a lot of complaints about those channels with PSIP data, since the guide would not go out all the way. Since this is a problem that Dish could do absolutely nothing to solve (but they would get the complaint calls anyway) they probably feel that it is better not to provide the guide data in the first place. At least that way, it is consistent: either full guide data, or no guide data, for each channel.

sam_gordon said:
It's been a long time since I took a computer programming class, but a simple IF/ELSE statement should suffice...
IF there is Dish guide data, use that.
ELSE use PSIP. ...

That still would not solve the problem where Dish is mapping the wrong guide data to certain OTA channels though. Perhaps if it were a user-selectable choice which guide data source to use, and if you could switch back and forth between them, then that might be a workable solution. Of course, they would have to somehow make sure that timers set while using one set of guide data would continue to record, even after the user chooses to display the other set of guide data. This is assuming the guide data source choice would apply to all OTA channels. If the user could manually customize which guide data source to use for each individual channel, then that would be even better.

I still like my suggestion of an app, though. This way, all available OTA channels could be listed in the app's guide, even if you have not scanned them in. So, if a new subchannel appears in the app, and you cannot actually tune to it, then that would alert you that you need to re-scan your OTA channels. If an entire station (not just an individual subchannel) appears in the app's guide, that you cannot receive, then that would let you know that you need to do one of the following in order to receive it:

Re-scan your OTA channels
Re-aim your antenna, and/or raise it higher to get better reception
Get a better antenna
Add a second antenna aimed toward that station

Even better, this would provide full guide data, and allow you to set timers (for the channels that you actually have scanned in) directly from the app.

sam_gordon said:
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I'm willing to wager there are MANY more diginet channels than those Dish carries. I'm pretty sure Dish only carries one subchannel in my market. I think there are over a dozen available OTA.

I think dweber meant mapping down the guide data from the national feeds that Dish carries, to appear in the guide on the local subchannels. Even if there are slight variations on the local affiliates, where they do not carry that network's full schedule (for instance, to insert some locally-produced program once per week) any guide data would be better than none, as I am sure you would agree.

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Altitudinous

Oct 13, 2020

Thanks to all of the contributors to this thread. I do note now that one of the main networks, in this case FoxNM, has no guide data in the listings...OTA KRQE 13.2 in Albuquerque. This same channel appears as KRQE2 at channel 2 in the Dish spot beam feed. Seems a bit lame. Also, I'm occasionally seeing the Joey breakdown apparently somehow due to the OTA adapter. I tried a little tin foil just for fun in case the AirTV adapter was radiating weirdness. I started wondering if it's related to a 4PM recording of an OTA channel...just don't know yet. Perhaps a big plot to get people to keep paying the 12 bucks?

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dishstaller

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Well crap....Donnie Iris died today

RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Yosemite HD

This video was put up shortly after I was able to take my family out to Yosemite in 2011. No AI.

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All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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MikeD-C05

Sep 26, 2026

I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.

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Scott Greczkowski

Sep 26, 2026

MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH

I have the same wish.

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bnewt

Yesterday at 3:30 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I have the same wish.

Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 4:56 PM

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

They keep the satellite service too. But have. Full streaming version of dish. As sling tv sucks eggs.

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navychop

Yesterday at 7:37 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
As sling tv sucks eggs.

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NYDutch

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

DISH will happily sell them a Starlink system and service.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 8:12 PM

Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.

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telstar_1

Today at 12:08 AM

But how is it reusable if it's disposable

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dishstaller

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Might want to watch this before you buy a new vehicle battery

Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.

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harshness

Sunday at 11:33 AM

When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

dishstaller

Sunday at 12:53 PM

harshness said:
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

Jimbo

Sunday at 1:01 PM

dishstaller said:
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.

telstar_1

Sunday at 1:14 PM

He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves

arlo

Sunday at 2:20 PM

Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.

Opinions may vary.

harshness

Yesterday at 9:17 AM

Jimbo said:
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

The days of the 84-month warranty appear long gone, regardless of brand or where you acquired it. Warranties tend to be shorter, with much greater dependence on quick prorating.

The big problem for lead-acid batteries (whether flooded or AGM) is that the US no longer produces lead (the last smelter closed in 2013) and must import it.

Recycling covers a good chunk of the need (~70%), but it isn't free.

EarDemon

Yesterday at 11:32 PM

I've always got regular OEM Ford Motorcraft batteries from the dealership and have never really had an issue. On my old Lincoln Aviator (the SUV from the early 00s, not the CUV of today), I had some phantom drain and went though a few batteries, but that was an anomaly and with the standard warranty I got free replacements. Taking the Aviator out of the picture, I've bought two batteries in my 24 years of driving. One battery replacement in my Mountaineer, one in my Navigator. But I probably would have had another one had I kept it around longer. Didn't have the Bronco long enough, and so far still on the factory battery for my Expedition.

I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner. I'm in Buffalo, 90 degree summers and 0 degree winters. Once in a while in the dead of winter I'll get an alert from the Ford app saying remote features have been disabled to conserve battery, but it starts right up.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:41 PM

EarDemon said:
I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner.

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Ramy

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:12 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:22 PM

AI Overview

College Football Playoff bracket, schedule, scores, rankings ...

The 2025–26 College Football Playoff concluded with the Indiana Hoosiers winning the national championship by defeating the Miami Hurricanes 27–21. [1, 2, 3]

Playoff Results Summary
The 12-team playoff bracket featured the following key results across each round: [1]

- First Round: Alabama defeated Oklahoma (34–24), Miami (Fla.) beat Texas A&M (10–3), Ole Miss topped Tulane (41–10), and Oregon defeated James Madison (51–34) at higher-seeded campus sites.
- Quarterfinals: Miami (Fla.) upset Ohio State (24–14), Oregon shut out Texas Tech (23–0), top-ranked Indiana rolled past Alabama (38–3), and Ole Miss edged Georgia (39–34) across the New Year's Six bowls.
- Semifinals: Miami (Fla.) advanced past Ole Miss (31–27) in the Peach Bowl, while Indiana dominant-defeated Oregon (56–22) in the Fiesta Bowl.
- National Championship: Indiana secured the title with a 27–21 victory over Miami (Fla.) at Hard Rock Stadium. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Unfortunately, there was not rankings listed in this summary

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:49 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

I think they are actually discussing the Top 8 get a Bye this time, if they go to 24.
Then again, I heard something about Play in games for the 16-24 teams ...

Nothing is official yet, so lots of moving parts ...

Can't wait, lets do 24, 3 years later they will want 32 :sick

Yespage

Yesterday at 9:59 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:12 PM

Yespage said:
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.

Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ... :coco

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