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pattykay

Last reply Jul 7, 2021 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

CONUS HD locals now at 72.7 satellite!

Check this out, everybody:

Uplink Activity Updates » Blog Archive » 1/22/21 at 4:43pm ET (v03) – 49 changes seen

This should make it a lot easier for subscribers on Eastern Arc to "move" to the following markets:

Charlottesville, VA
Cincinnati, OH
Louisville, KY

Plus, CONUS HD feeds of PBS from:

Owensboro, KY (Evansville, IN market)
Lexington, KY
Little Rock, AR
Paducah, KY

Along with these changes, it looks like the Casper, WY HD locals have been completely removed from the 129 satellite, to be exclusively in CONUS on the 77 satellite instead. However, the Casper, WY standard-def feeds are now CONUS at 129.

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bnewt

May 13, 2021

I get the Louisville locals...…..is there any real significance to this?

pattykay

May 13, 2021

bnewt said:
I get the Louisville locals...…..is there any real significance to this?

People with a mixed-arc setup (such as Western Arc plus a side dish pointed at 77) are getting letters from Dish, advising them of the need for a re-point, or a flip to the full Eastern Arc instead. It allows Dish to install the standard 1000.2 dish going forward, instead of needing to install a 1000.4 (plus a DPH42 switch for Hopper 3 installs). If you already have a 1000.4 Eastern Arc dish, no action is needed, but you can downgrade to the smaller 1000.2 dish if you wish.

NYDutch said:
If Louisville is the designated DMA for your location, then no, there's no significance to them being on a spot or CONUS beam.

The HD feeds on Eastern Arc are CONUS either way. They are simply moving from 77 to 72 instead. Those who are getting the SD feeds on spotbeam from the 110 satellite may be impacted by this, when Dish decides to finally remove those. This move allows Dish to flip those subscribers to Eastern Arc using the standard 1000.2 dish.

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pattykay

Jun 16, 2021

Apparently completing the changes heralded by the uplink reported in the original post, the following markets have now been completely removed from the 77 satellite:

Charlottesville, VA
Cincinnati, OH
Davenport, IA/Rock Island, IL
Evansville, IN
Little Rock, AR
Louisville, KY
Paducah, KY/Harrisburg, IL

Uplink Activity Updates » Blog Archive » 6/16/21 at 3:43pm ET (v09) – 77 changes seen

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Rafaelccs

Jun 16, 2021

crodrules said:
People with a mixed-arc setup (such as Western Arc plus a side dish pointed at 77) are getting letters from Dish, advising them of the need for a re-point, or a flip to the full Eastern Arc instead. It allows Dish to install the standard 1000.2 dish going forward, instead of needing to install a 1000.4 (plus a DPH42 switch for Hopper 3 installs). If you already have a 1000.4 Eastern Arc dish, no action is needed, but you can downgrade to the smaller 1000.2 dish if you wish.

The HD feeds on Eastern Arc are CONUS either way. They are simply moving from 77 to 72 instead. Those who are getting the SD feeds on spotbeam from the 110 satellite may be impacted by this, when Dish decides to finally remove those. This move allows Dish to flip those subscribers to Eastern Arc using the standard 1000.2 dish.

Hello crodrules, you think this is the real reason for these moves? sounds more like making up space for 4K? or optimizing the spectrum usage, probably they don't have same funds to launch replacement birds and they're optimizing their operation......(just my two cents) seems a lot of work sending letters to customers that already have whatever 1000.4 or 1000.2 and forcing them to migrate to eastern arc...what about those that have LOS (Line OF Sight) compromised......
Regards.....

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pattykay

Jun 16, 2021

Rafaelccs said:
Hello crodrules, you think this is the real reason for these moves? sounds more like making up space for 4K? or optimizing the spectrum usage, probably they don't have same funds to launch replacement birds and they're optimizing their operation......(just my two cents) seems a lot of work sending letters to customers that already have whatever 1000.4 or 1000.2 and forcing them to migrate to eastern arc...what about those that have LOS (Line OF Sight) compromised......
Regards.....

I can think of a couple of reasons that are more plausible.

First, if I remember correctly, Dish didn't exactly manufacture a very large quantity of 1000.4 dishes and LNB's. (At least, not when compared to the number of 1000.2 dishes and LNB's in existence.) So, it is possible that Dish is running out of stock on that model. Therefore, they may have felt that it is not a good idea to continue to put locals on a satellite (77) that specifically requires that model (1000.4 EA) for a standard installation.

The other factor to consider is "moving" (or using a service address other than where you are actually located). On the one hand, putting some CONUS local markets on 72 makes "moving" to those markets easier, by making them available with the more standard 1000.2 dish. However, the real factor may have been that using the 77 satellite made it much easier to receive those signals in Mexico, where people are not supposed to be subscribing to US Dish service at all. (Dish has a separate Dish Mexico service for them.) So, another likely reason for this move was to crack down on people illegally receiving US network service in Mexico, and try to get them to switch to Dish Mexico instead.

Just my two cents.

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Rafaelccs

Jun 16, 2021

crodrules said:
I can think of a couple of reasons that are more plausible.

First, if I remember correctly, Dish didn't exactly manufacture a very large quantity of 1000.4 dishes and LNB's. (At least, not when compared to the number of 1000.2 dishes and LNB's in existence.) So, it is possible that Dish is running out of stock on that model. Therefore, they may have felt that it is not a good idea to continue to put locals on a satellite (77) that specifically requires that model (1000.4 EA) for a standard installation.

The other factor to consider is "moving" (or using a service address other than where you are actually located). On the one hand, putting some CONUS local markets on 72 makes "moving" to those markets easier, by making them available with the more standard 1000.2 dish. However, the real factor may have been that using the 77 satellite made it much easier to receive those signals in Mexico, where people are not supposed to be subscribing to US Dish service at all. (Dish has a separate Dish Mexico service for them.) So, another likely reason for this move was to crack down on people illegally receiving US network service in Mexico, and try to get them to switch to Dish Mexico instead.

Just my two cents.

Could be.....but Streaming is hurting both Dish and DirecTV, people around the world are streaming even locals using VPN and or other methods, I saw your other post of HBO & Max returning to Dishnetwork...that for me is a sign that they're making moves to recover customers, I really can't remember how long ago Dish dropped HBO because of their fees.....they have not reached an agreement the Fees are even probably higher...in my view, customers like to have no surprises, unless for a good or better reason, if these moves require free antennas and alignment I see no problem, if they do it free with customer commitment.....who knows.
These moves have to cost them money if they cost money but at the end they optimized spectrum or any other financial reason that make more sense to me.....
Regards.

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DishSubLA

Jun 18, 2021

Rafaelccs said:
Could be.....but Streaming is hurting both Dish and DirecTV, people around the world are streaming even locals using VPN and or other methods, I saw your other post of HBO & Max returning to Dishnetwork...that for me is a sign that they're making moves to recover customers, I really can't remember how long ago Dish dropped HBO because of their fees.....they have not reached an agreement the Fees are even probably higher...in my view, customers like to have no surprises, unless for a good or better reason, if these moves require free antennas and alignment I see no problem, if they do it free with customer commitment.....who knows.
These moves have to cost them money if they cost money but at the end they optimized spectrum or any other financial reason that make more sense to me.....
Regards.

The possible return of HBO is more likely the result of Discovery Networks now "running" the Warner Media channels, not AT&T who are still part owners. I think Dish has better relations with Discovery Networks, and Discovery Networks attitude is probably that it is better to get some money from Dish than nothing at all since Dish has not been in any hurry to bring back HBO. However, I would not expect the full suite of HBO channels as before. IMHO, it will likely be an "HBO Lite" suite with some VOD access at a lower price than other MVPD's who have the entire suite at a higher price. It would be a way of getting money from Dish while not destroying the "FULL" value other MVPD's have paying for the full suite. All that is IMHO. I think Dish has always been open to a more financially reasonable (for Dish, that is) way of providing HBO, but AT&T always showed Dish (a competitor) the "hand," while Discovery Networks seems willing to make a deal and find some way to get HBO back on Dish (and take Dish's money) that makes sense for Discovery.

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NYDutch

Jun 18, 2021

If my remaining memory cells still work, I recall Dish dropped HBO over a requirement for an excessive subscriber count payment regardless of how many fewer actual subscribers there were. If that over payment requirement was close to or exceeded any net profit from the actual paying subscribers, then it didn't make sense for Dish to "hurt their pocket" by continuing to carry HBO.

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lakebum431

Jun 18, 2021

DishSubLA said:
The possible return of HBO is more likely the result of Discovery Networks now "running" the Warner Media channels, not AT&T who are still part owners. I think Dish has better relations with Discovery Networks, and Discovery Networks attitude is probably that it is better to get some money from Dish than nothing at all since Dish has not been in any hurry to bring back HBO. However, I would not expect the full suite of HBO channels as before. IMHO, it will likely be an "HBO Lite" suite with some VOD access at a lower price than other MVPD's who have the entire suite at a higher price. It would be a way of getting money from Dish while not destroying the "FULL" value other MVPD's have paying for the full suite. All that is IMHO. I think Dish has always been open to a more financially reasonable (for Dish, that is) way of providing HBO, but AT&T always showed Dish (a competitor) the "hand," while Discovery Networks seems willing to make a deal and find some way to get HBO back on Dish (and take Dish's money) that makes sense for Discovery.

I like the thought process, but probably not since the deal isn't expected to close for another year or so...

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pattykay

Jun 18, 2021

NYDutch said:
If that over payment requirement was close to or exceeded any net profit from the actual paying subscribers, then it didn't make sense for Dish to "hurt their pocket" by continuing to carry HBO.

This is compounded by the fact that most of the "actual paying subscribers" (on this site, anyway) were never paying Dish full price for HBO in the first place. Most people here with HBO either got locked in with the $10 "lifetime" rate, or frequently took advantage of the various half-price deals. In addition, Dish frequently offered qualified customers HBO and/or Cinemax for free for six months, or even a whole year at a time. Then of course there were the new customer offers, which included HBO and Cinemax for free for three months. All told, this is not a good way to ensure long-term subscriptions at full price. There likely was no real profit from the paying subscribers in the first place. It was simply a loss leader, and a perk to attract and retain customers. Many of those customers could just as easily be attracted or retained by other perks, such as freebies on other premium packages.

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pattykay

Jun 23, 2021

crodrules said:
Apparently completing the changes heralded by the uplink reported in the original post, the following markets have now been completely removed from the 77 satellite:

So, when I posted this, I had forgotten about Lexington, KY and apparently Dish forgot about that market, too.

bantonb said:
Did they also move Lexington, KY permanently from 77 to 72?

crodrules said:
James Long's local listings page has not been updated with the 6/16/2021 changes yet. However, since Lexington was not listed in the uplink report that I linked in post number 11, I would guess it is still safe at 77, for now. You can check the satellites and transponders needed for each local market here: Local Channels on DISH Network (Unofficial Listing)

crodrules said:
That page is updated now. Lexington, KY is still at 77. Along with Casper, WY and Springfield, MO they are the only markets left at 77 now.

Dish has now fixed this, and Lexington, KY has also been removed from 77 as of today:

Uplink Activity Updates » Blog Archive » 6/23/21 at 3:18pm ET (v28) – 114 changes seen

uplink.jameslong.name

Lexington, KY locals are now exclusively on spotbeam on 61.5 for the HD feeds. (SD feeds on spotbeam at 110.)

Casper, WY and Springfield, MO are now the only remaining markets at 77. Since Springfield, MO is also being simulcast on spotbeam at 61.5, it is likely just a matter of time before that market follows suit just like Lexington did.

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DishSubLA

Jun 23, 2021

NYDutch said:
If my remaining memory cells still work, I recall Dish dropped HBO over a requirement for an excessive subscriber count payment regardless of how many fewer actual subscribers there were. If that over payment requirement was close to or exceeded any net profit from the actual paying subscribers, then it didn't make sense for Dish to "hurt their pocket" by continuing to carry HBO.

And you have to wonder if that requirement was intended to have Dish drop HBO, and then adding value to AT&T services--its DirecTV satellite competitor to Dish satellite. services--and the OTT Sling denied as AT&T also competes with Dish on OTT. Sometimes companies and even government agencies propose "poison pill" requirements to steer things towards their plans while giving the appearance of "negotiating."

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DishSubLA

Jun 23, 2021

lakebum431 said:
I like the thought process, but probably not since the deal isn't expected to close for another year or so...

Well, that timeline is for the "merge" but AT&T can have Discovery Networks be its "distributor" any time it wants without any merger. So, in theory, HBO can be on Dish pretty much at any time. It sure seems AT&T just does not want to deal with the "distribution" part of the HBO/Warner Media channels business (AT&T knows they are NOT good at it and Discovery Networks is excellent at distribution/agreements, especially using its own Discovery Channels as leverage) and AT&T wants to just focus on its content and subsequent revenue stream from its Warner Media channels.

pattykay

Jul 7, 2021

crodrules said:
Plus, CONUS HD feeds of PBS from:

Owensboro, KY (Evansville, IN market)

Lexington, KY

Little Rock, AR

Paducah, KY

Evansville, Lexington, and Paducah all had their CONUS PBS feeds removed from 72.7 today:

Uplink Activity Updates » Blog Archive » 7/7/21 at 3:18pm ET (v06) – 162 changes seen

Uplinks Removed
...
5275 WKOH (31 HD Local) OWENSBORO, KY (PBS) removed from 72.7° TP 6 (HD Evansville, IN market Hidden)
5155 WKLE (46 HD Local) LEXINGTON, KY (PBS) removed from 72.7° TP 6 (HD Lexington, KY market Hidden)
5154 WKPD (29 HD Local) PADUCAH, KY (PBS) removed from 72.7° TP 6 (HD Paducah, KY/Harrisburg, IL market Hidden)

However, Lexington still has a duplicate channel number (channel 5169) of the exact same PBS station on the exact same CONUS transponder:

Lexington, KY
18-00	WLEX	LEXINGTON, KY (NBC) -	9207 SD 110° 4s10 A ()	5152 HD 61.5° 31s7 A (nbc)
27-00	WKYT	LEXINGTON, KY (CBS) -	9206 SD 110° 4s10 A ()	5151 HD 61.5° 31s7 A (cbs)
28-00	WKYT2	LEXINGTON, KY (CW) -	9209 SD 110° 4s10 A	9209 SD 61.5° 31s7 A
36-00	WTVQ	LEXINGTON, KY (ABC) -	9205 SD 110° 4s10 A ()	5150 HD 61.5° 31s7 A (abc)
46-00	WKLE	LEXINGTON, KY (PBS) -	9211 SD 110° 4s10 A () 9214 SD 110° 4s10 A	5155 HD 61.5° 31s7 A () 5155 HD 72.7° 6 A ()
46-00	WKLE	LEXINGTON, KY (PBS) -		5159 HD 61.5° 31s7 A 5169 HD 72.7° 6 A
56-00	WDKY	DANVILLE, KY (FOX) -	9208 SD 110° 4s10 A ()	5153 HD 61.5° 31s7 A (fox)
65-00	WLJC	BEATTYVILLE, KY -	9212 SD 110° 4s10 A	5158 HD 61.5° 31s7 A
67-00	WUPX	MOREHEAD, KY (ION) -	9213 SD 110° 4s10 A	5156 HD 61.5° 31s7 A

(Note: the chart is not updated yet to reflect today's removal of the CONUS channel 5155.)

Little Rock still has two duplicate channels of their PBS station (channels 5194 and 5199) on the same CONUS transponder:

Little Rock, AR
2-00	KETS	LITTLE ROCK, AR (PBS) -	9359 SD 110° 18s15 A () 9360 SD 110° 18s15 A	5194 HD 61.5° 31s14 A () 5194 HD 72.7° 6 A ()
2-00	KETS	LITTLE ROCK, AR (PBS) -		5198 HD 61.5° 31s14 A 5199 HD 72.7° 6 A

Local Channels on DISH Network (Unofficial Listing)

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Peter Parker

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Last reply 29 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Yesterday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:40 PM

I got the 713 update yesterday.

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naptime

Today at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Today at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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Bobby

Today at 10:32 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.

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dishstaller

29 minutes ago

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My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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Last reply 36 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Hopper and Dish Hopper Plus No Alexa in settings

I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.

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HipKat

Mar 15, 2026

Guys,
Android is Google. Google is Android. Android OS and Google TV are the same thing.
The Hopper+ and Joey 4's run Android TV, which is Google's television version of Android.
That means under the hood, you have:

Linux kernel
Android framework
Google TV / Android TV interface
Google Play Store for TV apps

Alexa is the competition. Google is not going to host their competition.
The old Hopper Carbon UI is NOT Google so that's why Alexa was on there.

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Harryhaggle

Mar 18, 2026

Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.

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Ungood.

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What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?

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36 minutes ago

Tell Alexa verbally what to do.

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Last reply 39 minutes ago · posted in TV Shows

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

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I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.

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klang

Jul 28, 2025

I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

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Apr 3, 2026

Paramount lost a number of the Star Trek creative crew to other projects, like Ron Moore going on to BSG and "For All Mankind". I see Denise and Michael Okuda are also involved with FAM.

klang

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

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MikeD-C05

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.

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harshness

Tuesday at 11:28 AM

MikeD-C05 said:
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.

Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

MikeD-C05

39 minutes ago

harshness said:
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.

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Last reply 51 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
This is true of literally anything, though.

Do you think that means we ought to be supporting it as the long-term solution?

Foxbat

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Yesterday at 9:36 PM

Oops.

AI Agent Blamed for Deleting Entire Upcoming Season of TV Show

An AI agent reportedly deleted the entire final cut of the upcoming season of a Swedish reality competition show.

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dishstaller

Today at 10:05 AM

Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply 57 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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FTA4PA

Today at 9:19 AM

Down On The Corner - Creedence Clearwater Revival

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dishstaller

Today at 9:56 AM

Mississippi Squirrel Revival - Ray Stevens

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Bobby

Today at 10:25 AM

Mississippi Cotton Picking Delta Town - Charley Pride

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harshness

Today at 11:29 AM

Delta Dawn - Tanya Tucker

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57 minutes ago

Can't You See - Marshall Tucker Band

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply 59 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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