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MrDRC

Last reply Feb 11, 2021 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Replacing Aging Birds?

Anyone have any info about replacing the satellites? I know 61 is degraded and it looks as if the others are approaching their end of expected life very soon. Seems like a conundrum for Charlie. Launching new birds is ridiculously expensive. Not sure he can justify it with current subscriptions. Anyone hear about their plans? I've checked lynsat (sp) and any the others I could find but nothing appears imminent.

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navychop

Feb 3, 2021

I think ATT/DTV would all but slit their wrists before giving Charlie the rest of 119.

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NYDutch

Feb 5, 2021

navychop said:
I think ATT/DTV would all but slit their wrists before giving Charlie the rest of 119.

Does Dish even have any need for the rest of the shared orbital slots at 110 and 119?

DishSubLA

Feb 6, 2021

NYDutch said:
Does Dish even have any need for the rest of the shared orbital slots at 110 and 119?

He could CRAM the current Internationals at 118 on the remaining transponders at 119, and maybe even the 2 DTV transponders (if I remember correctly) at 110. It may not be a "pretty picture" for SD channels, but it would be a solution that could get them by. IMHO, AT&T would be willing to deal for the transponders, but like DTV as a whole, AT&T overvalues what it has, so the price may not be right for either AT&T or Dish. BTW, how long can DTV keep those transponders not in use? I know the FCC does NOT allow "warehousing" and at some point DTV would, by default, LOSE those transponders. Getting CASH for them is the much better option, especially since AT&T is no longer betting on vMVPD, but focusing on Turner properties and, to a very high degree, HBO Max, so Dish is no longer really a competitor in AT&T's new business vision moving forward.

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NYDutch

Feb 6, 2021

DishSubLA said:
He could CRAM the current Internationals at 118 on the remaining transponders at 119, and maybe even the 2 DTV transponders (if I remember correctly) at 110. It may not be a "pretty picture" for SD channels, but it would be a solution that could get them by. IMHO, AT&T would be willing to deal for the transponders, but like DTV as a whole, AT&T overvalues what it has, so the price may not be right for either AT&T or Dish. BTW, how long can DTV keep those transponders not in use? I know the FCC does NOT allow "warehousing" and at some point DTV would, by default, LOSE those transponders. Getting CASH for them is the much better option, especially since AT&T is no longer betting on vMVPD, but focusing on Turner properties and, to a very high degree, HBO Max, so Dish is no longer really a competitor in AT&T's new business vision moving forward.

Dish already has two sats (E* 10 & 11) in the 110 slot and two more (E* 14 and Anik F3 internationals) in the 119 slot. Do they really need DTV's two sats as well?

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Ypsiguy

Feb 8, 2021

Dish has Echostar 23 parked at 67.9W, just waiting for use.

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MrDRC

Feb 9, 2021

Ypsiguy said:
Dish has Echostar 23 parked at 67.9W, just waiting for use.

Intersting. There is almost zero info on that bird and it's not even shown on their website as being in the fleet. Surely it's not sitting up there doing nothing?

NYDutch

Feb 9, 2021

EchoStar 23 is owned by EchoStar not sister company Dish. Apparently it's intended to relocate to 72.6 at some point.

GEO Satellite Database | Satbeams

Complete database of geostationary satellites with orbital positions, specifications, and status information.

www.satbeams.com

DishSubLA

Feb 11, 2021

NYDutch said:
Dish already has two sats (E* 10 & 11) in the 110 slot and two more (E* 14 and Anik F3 internationals) in the 119 slot. Do they really need DTV's two sats as well?

We (or at least I was) were talking about TRANSPONDERS and LICENSES. The Dish/Echostar birds are capable of transmitting on the current DTV transponders at 110 and 119 (really ALL DBS transponder frequencies and in a number of configurations). Echo 11 is an ALL Spotbeam sat, and has NO CONUS capability, and is NOT capable of providing critical CONUS backup should E10 fail, and E10 is providing ALL the CONUS services, and while E10 can be configured to operate some spotbeam to make up for E11's loss--at the loss of some CONUS transponding capability, if either sat dies, it is a nightmare scenario that will require quite a bit of juggling channels throughout the fleet with likely poor PQ for some channels, unless Dish has sufficient critical back-up, and I don't think there is any back-up to the all spotbeam E11, so it is operations with reduced quality at best, and loss of some LIL's at worst.

Meanwhile, at 119, Echo 14 is providing main Dish English/Latino services using DBS, while at 118.8, Anik F3, a leased Canadian satellite, is providing International services using Ku FSS--NOT DBS, so neither of those sats can provide mutual backup, and each would require its own sat replacement--OR move Internationals over to the current DTV transponders at 119 and 110, as earlier suggested per (likely PAID) agreement with AT&T to use their transponders at 119 & 110. So, NONE of your mentioned sats are sleeping in critical standby mode, but, instead, all the sats you've mentioned are in active use and in both cases unable to provide mutual backup without losing some or ALL services at each sat, and one is not even a DBS sat that only subscribers to International services can receive (because either the single or the Combo DBS/FSS LNB is NOT installed unless one is subscribing to International services. In fact, I've had techs looking to REMOVE or NOT install the FSS LNBF's whenever they can, but I tell I am subscribed to Internationals, and they drop the whole idea).

To answer your question, what Dish would need in a hypothetical satellite failure situation due to many of Dish's DBS owned or leased (and one Ku FSS it leases) sats aging, which is what was brought up for SPECULATION, if one or maybe two sats failed, it may not require any DTV sats--If I am correct of Dish having at least 2 DBS sats in sleeping back-up, but I can't recall that correctly at this time. However, where does Dish put all those international currently at 118.8 using Ku FSS? There seems to be absolutely NO ROOM for all those channels on the current fleet, or not without at least losing some channels because they can only squeeze a limited number at 110 and 119 and 129 (129 is a leased SLOT with Dish/Echostar owned sat that is also aging), the only satellites that most--can't say all--international subscribers are also looking at with their systems, and can receive if AnikF3 goes down.

However, such a failure or even a greater number of looming failures or even just the ability to have critical back-up, Dish could use the younger DTV DBS or two for the right price, and AT&T is no longer seeing value in their MVPD/vMVPD but have stated they are "All-in" with Warner properties and, especially HBO MAX, so this means that AT&T may not see Dish as a competitor to its business (along with AT&T's deep desire to get out of SATS), and would be happy to UNLOAD as much of DTV hardware that Dish is willing to pay, but AT&T probably wants too much money, and we all know how cheap Charlie is.

. From AT&T's most recent statements, they are fine leaving the MVPD/vMVPD business (after having paid a ransom for DTV) and letting Dish have all of the MVPD/vMVPD business it wants, with AT&T likely viewing Dish as "stupid" for not getting out of MVPD like AT&T is, so yeah, DTV has some Magic Beans or a Brooklyn Bridge or two to sell or lease to Dish, especially if they can brag about DTV increasing its income while losing subscribers, and demonstrating they are LEAVING satellite while getting paid to do so.

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DishSubLA

Feb 11, 2021

Ypsiguy said:
Dish has Echostar 23 parked at 67.9W, just waiting for use.

Thanks for the info. I thought they had high quality younger sat (or two) in critical back-up mode. If I remember one of those back-up sats was designed to function with high efficiency at a number of different satellite slots that Dish uses. In other words, it should be able to be configured as a few existing Dish/Echostar satellites now in operation with virtually the same Spotbeam coverage from a number of current Dish orbital slots, so, yeah, it is a very capable back-up for a number of different slots. I thought there was ONE more they also put into sleepy critical back-up stand by. Also is E23 the one that had that Chinese payload that became a failed business venture for Echostar? I know they put it somewhere. Anyway, I mention it because I wonder if that could also be used in Dish's 5G plans. Satellites still play a part in wireless cell phone services, and could be a link in Dish's 5G plans. I know Dish was using sats in its tests of 5G to supplement what was on the ground.

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DishSubLA

Feb 11, 2021

MrDRC said:
Intersting. There is almost zero info on that bird and it's not even shown on their website as being in the fleet. Surely it's not sitting up there doing nothing?

It's call Critical Back-up: intentionally parked doing NOTHING so it can be FREE to be moved, if necessary, and do all the work of a failed satellite. Over the years, satellites have failed, and, fortunately, in orbit spares have been moved into place to resume temporarily lost services. Sometimes the spares may be older sats that new ones replace, or they can be NEW sats with greater capability to serve at more than one location, so such a sat will sleep as a spare until needed. If a satellite were NOT sitting there asleep doing "nothing" it would not be able to come to the rescue of a failed satellite. In orbit spare satellites are always wise to have because sats do and can fail at almost any time and for reasons that sometimes can't be explained, and with no warning. In orbit spares are a calculation to have available. It is a kind of insurance, otherwise it would be chaos and we would all lose services for years, and that would be unacceptable to any business.

Of course, in the early years of Dish, it operated with NO critical back-up in orbit spares. Also, while Dish did have insurance for launches, it never insured its satellites that were in orbit, while DTV insured in orbit, as well as launch. Dish got by in those years, and then they launched enough sats that they had at least one sat, even if older, that could be pressed into back-up service. The infamous Echo IV partial failure occurred from day one of attempted operation with one of its solar arrays refusing to open completely, providing very limited power for reduced operations. Dish tried to recoup that loss through its LAUNCH insurance in a nasty court battle.

DishSubLA

Feb 11, 2021

NYDutch said:
EchoStar 23 is owned by EchoStar not sister company Dish. Apparently it's intended to relocate to 72.6 at some point.

GEO Satellite Database | Satbeams

Complete database of geostationary satellites with orbital positions, specifications, and status information.

www.satbeams.com

Isn't the bird at 72.6 aging, as well? So, such a move makes sense.

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pattykay

Feb 11, 2021

DishSubLA said:
However, where does Dish put all those international currently at 118.8 using Ku FSS? There seems to be absolutely NO ROOM for all those channels on the current fleet, or not without at least losing some channels because they can only squeeze a limited number at 110 and 119 and 129 (129 is a leased SLOT with Dish/Echostar owned sat that is also aging), the only satellites that most--can't say all--international subscribers are also looking at with their systems, and can receive if AnikF3 goes down.

In recent moves, Dish is now mirroring at least some of the CONUS local markets from 77 in CONUS at the 72 satellite. Other than those local markets, the rest of Dish's channels at 77 are standard-def duplicates of (some of) the channels that are already carried in HD on the other Eastern Arc satellites. So, worst-case scenario, I could see Dish clearing off the channels that are currently taking up space at 77, and moving the international channels there instead. Yes, this would require an equipment migration. However, Dish is already in the middle of an equipment migration, to finally force all of the customers still using SD-only receivers to upgrade to HD-capable receivers. (I would imagine that those international channel subscribers make up the bulk of those subscribers still using SD-only receivers, since most international channels are only carried in standard-def.) So, Dish might as well rip off the band-aid, and do the entire equipment migration all at once. The 77 LNB is another LNB, like the 118.7 LNB, that is not installed unless it is actually needed for the programming being received on that account. So, other than migrating the existing subscribers to the new satellite, nothing would change in that regard.

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JSheridan

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:27 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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Foxbat

Sep 25, 2026

Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:37 PM

Foxbat said:
Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…

have charlie buy you a new house :biggrin

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 8:46 PM

Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 8:53 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
have charlie buy you a new house

Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 9:11 PM

Foxbat said:
Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…

that would be one hell of a convo :biggrin

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osu1991

Yesterday at 11:27 PM

telstar_1 said:
Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?

New more efficient encoders. I think there's around 60 channels/sub channels now in the Tulsa dma. 480 widescreen for most of the sub channels, but some have 2 HD channels and a couple of SD sub channels while others have 1 HD and 5 or more SD sub channels. If they moved to mp4 or hevc encoding they could do higher bitrates for SD or more HD or even 4K in that 6Mhz channel. That could render some early digital tvs unable to tune though as they may not have the codecs for that. Considering 4K tvs have been on sale for years, I think it would be a very small minority of TVs with the problem. I'd rather see that happen and keep ATSC 1 than continue the move to a DRM enforced ATSC 3 world.

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SatZach

Last reply Yesterday at 10:51 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Is Roku the new Legacy Cable?

The title was to catch everyone's eye lol! But it is a thought I've been having as I dev a Roku app for a client. You see many MAAANY years ago I got really interested in cable TV channels and even chatted with a regional carrier, Insight about what it took to get a channel number. It was surprisingly easy although prohibitively expensive.

You could petition, reserve a high channel number, they monitored performance and if they liked you, you'd get lower channel number overtime and cut into ad overlays.

Roku has a similar setup. Make an app, if it has a strong, original linear component you could get channel assignment on The Roku Channel.

As mixed as my feelings are on the current media landscape, I can't help but feel a little excited interest when I scope out the apps in the Roku store.

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navychop

Yesterday at 9:53 PM

Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.

SatZach

Yesterday at 10:51 PM

navychop said:
Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.

All of those services have FAST Channels. FAST is a linear online broadcast stndrd. You notice how their linear channels all have some overlap? They are gettting paid for every second those streams are up without really having to do their own accounting. Best part is they don't even facilitate any of the stream bandwidth. Over glorified app stores on some android hardware. No reason NOT to stay in the game.

klang

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 9:52 PM · posted in TV Shows

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.

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harshness

Yesterday at 11:53 AM

Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 3:35 PM

harshness said:
Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.

Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...

Jimbo

Yesterday at 8:14 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...

Me either ...
They turned out to be a Poor adversary ....

Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:02 PM

They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 9:52 PM

Foxbat said:
They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"

And too many episodes centering on/around them as well...

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Yesterday at 8:43 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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Strega

Wednesday at 6:21 PM

I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!

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Almighty1

Thursday at 8:53 PM

I remember this in the news too...

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.

www.nbcnews.com

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Bobby

Thursday at 9:21 PM

Almighty1 said:
I remember this in the news too...

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.

www.nbcnews.com

That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.

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SuperDish_Fan23

Friday at 4:24 PM

SuperDish_Fan23 said:
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff

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slow_poke_pete

Friday at 5:51 PM

SuperDish_Fan23 said:
Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wL6dsORmXg

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telstar_1

Friday at 5:58 PM

Slicker guides never did much for me

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Almighty1

Friday at 10:33 PM

Bobby said:
That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.

Good point as part of that time mentioned was before I was even alive.

While reports from the family's case focused entirely on the equipment rental charges, media records show that Ester Strogen originally started by paying $29.95 per quarter ($9.98 per month) in the 1960s for her combined telephone connection.
The actual base cost for standard residential telephone service over a 42-year period (spanning roughly 1964 to 2006) reveals how basic connection costs evolved compared to the equipment rental fees:

Historical Phone Service Rates

1960s – 1970s Base Rate: Standard local phone service was heavily subsidized and tightly regulated under the Bell System monopoly. A basic landline package with unlimited local calling typically cost between $5.00 and $10.00 per month.
1980s – 2000s Post-Deregulation Rate: Following the AT&T divestiture in 1984, base line service rates steadily climbed due to the introduction of subscriber line charges, touch-tone fees, and local infrastructure adjustments. By 2006, basic flat-rate local residential phone service hovered around $15.00 to $25.00 per month (excluding long-distance packages and taxes).

The True Lifetime Service Bill

Assuming an average baseline connection fee of roughly $12.00 a month over that 42-year span, the line connectivity itself would have realistically accumulated to approximately $6,000 in raw cash payouts.
When you bundle the actual service costs together with the escalating equipment rental fees, the total cumulative out-of-pocket phone expenses over those four decades easily crossed $12,000 to $14,000. Long-distance phone calls—which were billed entirely by the minute back then and could cost up to 15 to 30 cents per minute—would add significantly more to that historical total depending on usage.

The widely publicized calculation stems from a viral news story from 2006 involving a widow named Ester Strogen. Her family discovered she had been continuously leasing two rotary dial telephones from AT&T for 42 years.
The total cost—which actually came out to more than $14,000 by the time the lease was canceled—was calculated based on the following legacy telecom structure:

The Monthly Fee: At the time her granddaughters discovered the charges, the ongoing leasing fee was $29.10 per month for the two outdated phones.
The Math: Over 42 years (504 months), paying roughly $24 to $30 a month accumulates to between $12,000 and $14,600 ($29.10 × 504 months = $14,666.40).

Why did this happen?
Prior to the landmark breakup of AT&T ("Ma Bell") in 1984, consumers were legally not allowed to own their phones; they were required to lease them directly from the phone company.
When the laws changed and phone ownership became legal, AT&T spun off its rental division into a company called QLT Consumer Lease Services. Millions of customers, particularly elderly individuals who were used to seeing a single unified phone bill, simply never realized that the small recurring "equipment lease" line-item could be canceled by buying a cheap phone at a retail store.

Yes, leasing absolutely cost that much in reality, and the math is entirely accurate. However, the calculations performed by the family did contain one major historical nuance: they multiplied the final 2006 rate across all 42 years, which means the actual total cash paid out was likely a bit lower.
The original viral story focused on 82-year-old widow Ester Strogen from Canton, Ohio, who paid $29.10 a month for two black rotary phones until her family intervened in July 2006.
The reality behind how the cost reached that staggering total breaks down into two distinct phases:

Phase 1: The Historical Base Rate (1960s – 1984)

When Strogen first got the phones in the 1960s, renting was a legal mandate and cost a fraction of the 2006 price—usually just a few dollars a month.

The "Insurance" Mirage: In exchange for that fee, Ma Bell promised free, lifetime maintenance. If the phone broke, they replaced it instantly at no extra cost.
The Cost-Plus Reality: Because these solid-state phones were built like tanks out of heavy plastic and steel, they almost never broke. Consumers paid a continuous premium for decades for a repair service they rarely used.

Phase 2: The Deregulation Rate Hikes (1984 – 2006)

After AT&T was forced to break up its monopoly in 1984, the rental side of the business was shifted to Lucent Technologies and later a legacy holding company. To maximize profit off a shrinking customer base, they steadily increased the monthly rental fees over the next 20 years.

By 2006, the rental cost had quietly ballooned to roughly $14.55 per phone per month.
When the family discovered the $29.10 monthly charge, they looked back at the 42-year span and estimated the collective loss at over $14,000.

Even adjusted for historical inflation—where $2 a month in 1964 had the purchasing power of roughly $20 today—Ester Strogen and hundreds of thousands of other elderly Americans realistically paid thousands of dollars out-of-pocket for standard desk phones they could have purchased at retail for $10.

The exact out-of-pocket dollar amount Ester Strogen paid over those 42 years was never publicly determined, as neither AT&T nor the family had access to monthly billing records stretching all the way back to the 1960s.
The figures reported in the media are entirely mathematical estimates based on the 2006 rate. The two primary numbers used to define the "cost" are:

The Stated Media Total: More than $14,000.
The Exact Family Formula: $14,666.40. This was derived by taking her final recorded bill of $29.10 per month and multiplying it across the full 42 years (504 months).

What the True Cash Cost Likely Was

Because AT&T did not charge $29.10 a month back in 1964, the true historical cash sum she handed over was lower than $14,000. In the 1960s and 1970s, basic phone lease fees were generally bundled into standard service or itemized at just $1.00 to $2.00 a month per phone.
If we realistically assume she paid lower base rates for the first 20 years before the post-1984 deregulation price hikes took effect, a realistic estimate of the actual cash paid is between $5,000 and $7,000.

The Real Cost When Adjusted for Inflation

While the family's $14,000 calculation overestimates the raw cash paid, it actually underestimates the true economic damage when factoring in the time value of money.
Paying $2.00 a month for equipment in 1964 sounds minor, but due to severe inflation during the 1970s, those early single dollars had the purchasing power of roughly $20.00 each in 2006 terms. If you adjust every historical lower monthly payment upward to account for inflation, Ester Strogen realistically lost the equivalent of well over $15,000 in modern purchasing power by renting instead of buying.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:28 PM

telstar_1 said:
Slicker guides never did much for me

me either. sometimes it seems like things disappear when they start changing sh*t around :biggrin

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:43 PM

Strega said:
I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!

you would be better off looking in ca for a train wreck to nowhere :biggrin

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jcrandall

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Yesterday at 8:42 PM · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Channels on DIRECTV Satellite and not on Stream/Internet

So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.

MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.

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KyL416

Aug 3, 2026

WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.

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harshness

Oct 15, 2026

One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.

mario315

Friday at 11:55 PM

harshness said:
One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.

KyL416

Saturday at 12:00 AM

WPLG/10 Miami is now available to stream customers

The CW stations WCWW/25 South Bend and WBKP/5 Marquette are testing on the stream server

Last week they also added a bunch of CW stations that are still not available to sat customers:
WETM-DT/19 Elmira
WJET-DT/25 Erie
KLFY-DT/11 Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 Utica
KFDX-DT/4 Wichita Falls

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mario315

Saturday at 12:07 AM

Well, that was fast ! DTV Stream brought back WTCN's HD signal today.

I have to assume the station signing up a week ago as the Miami Heat affiliate here (to carry their games) did the trick. NBA magic !!!

Or the station engineer took care of the problem after hearing about it.

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darren_s

Yesterday at 8:29 PM

KyL416 said:
WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.

Channel 28 Nashville hasn't been added so far, correct?

KyL416

Yesterday at 8:42 PM

WNPX Nashville and WMYD Detroit were added to stream about 2 months ago.

They also now have PRDTRS/651 for those in Predators territory outside of the Nashville DMA and PISTONS/663-2 for those in Pistons territory outside of the Detroit DMA.

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TheForce

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Last reply Yesterday at 8:32 PM · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.

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comfortably_numb

Oct 10, 2026

Can't remember if I've posted this yet..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU

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Foxbat

Saturday at 11:47 AM

If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.

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comfortably_numb

Saturday at 11:56 AM

Foxbat said:
No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter

And definitely no medieval chain armor!

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harshness

Yesterday at 12:18 PM

comfortably_numb said:
medieval chain armor

Aka "mail" or "maille".

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:05 PM

IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:31 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Can't remember if I've posted this yet..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU

most carriers do. that's why they send updates that slow phones down!! i buy unlocked phones no effect to me

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:32 PM

Foxbat said:
IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

hope you have apple care a screen job is 1000.00

. can we say over priced garbage!!!

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meStevo

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 8:17 PM · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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rvvaquero

Tuesday at 11:33 AM

Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.

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Yespage

Thursday at 9:15 AM

rvvaquero said:
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.

Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.

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b4pjoe

Thursday at 9:53 AM

Yespage said:
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.

Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.

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rvvaquero

Thursday at 11:50 AM

Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.

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meStevo

Thursday at 10:53 PM

View: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/2113438192913588676?s=20

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meStevo

Yesterday at 8:17 PM

Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.

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