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I live in a deep fringe area for receiving OTA digital TV signals. Have a Panasonic Plasma w/o tuner (using Mediasonic tuner) and a Samsung PN43F4500AF (integrated tuner)
The Samsung decodes the same signal much better, many more channels than the stand alone Mediasonic. I have tried both the HW180STB and then the HW130STB when the 180 died.
I would like to find a great stand alone tuner that can beat (or at least match) the signal decoding of the integrated Samsung unit.
Just need the absolute best decoder available, no need for recording, channel guide, etc.
TIA!
The Samsung decodes the same signal much better, many more channels than the stand alone Mediasonic. I have tried both the HW180STB and then the HW130STB when the 180 died.
I would like to find a great stand alone tuner that can beat (or at least match) the signal decoding of the integrated Samsung unit.
Just need the absolute best decoder available, no need for recording, channel guide, etc.
TIA!
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Excellent info, thank you.
Our setup now is a single HBU55 roof mounted ~24feet AGL. we have an 80-100 ft run of rg6 to the basement splitter so we also have a CM 7777.
I'd love a suggestion for a larger/better antenna setup. But this is the highest AGL we can get it.
Or if a better preamp is available; I did used to have one of those UK based company's (forgot the name) preamps but when it deteriorated due to weather, just replaced it with the CM7777
The channels we want are the Minneapolis based ones, all in Red on the TV fool site, here is the rabbitears report:
www.rabbitears.info
9-1 which is actually down in the "bad" section on the chart is one of the best signal quality we get for some reason.
Our setup now is a single HBU55 roof mounted ~24feet AGL. we have an 80-100 ft run of rg6 to the basement splitter so we also have a CM 7777.
I'd love a suggestion for a larger/better antenna setup. But this is the highest AGL we can get it.
Or if a better preamp is available; I did used to have one of those UK based company's (forgot the name) preamps but when it deteriorated due to weather, just replaced it with the CM7777
The channels we want are the Minneapolis based ones, all in Red on the TV fool site, here is the rabbitears report:
RabbitEars.Info
RabbitEars, where you can learn all about local, over-the-air TV channels.
www.rabbitears.info
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Menu > Channel Search > Manual Search
That screen will show you the the channel number on the first line which is listed on your rabbitears.info signal report in parentheses like (29) or (9). That channel number is also know as the RF channel or Real channel.The second line will give the center Frequency of the channel in MHz.
For WFTC it will say channel 29, 563 MHz
For KMSP it will say channel 9, 189 MHz
I don't really know which 5.x transmitter you mean; there are at least four 5-1 transmitters listed on your report. It would make it a lot easier for me if you can give me the RF channel number and callsign.
To find out which virtual channel 9.1 you have, tune to it with your Mediasonic, then go into the menu:
Menu > Channel Search > Manual Search
That screen will show you the the channel number on the first line which is listed on your rabbitears.info signal report in parentheses like (29) or (9). That channel number is also know as the RF channel or Real channel.The second line will give the center Frequency of the channel in MHz.
For WFTC it will say channel 29, 563 MHz
For KMSP it will say channel 9, 189 MHz
You are making it very difficult for me to help you when you only give the virtual channel number, also known as the display number.
I don't really know which 5.x transmitter you mean; there are at least four 5-1 transmitters listed on your report. It would make it a lot easier for me if you can give me the RF channel number and callsign.
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Let me see if I can help since I did live in Le Sueur a couple years ago and was OTA only
Le Sueur is unique for OTA as honestly location is HUGE! If the original poster (otatvwatcher) lives "up the hill" (N 4th St or higher) their reception will be better than where I lived. I was down by 2nd St which made it a little more difficult. Where are you approximately? (don't have to give exact spot but like as example I lived by Radermachers Grocery Store...your minimal coordinates put you in the vicinity of the fire station). With a simple VHF antenna and a generic XG91 I got WCCO (4-1), KSTP (5-1), KSTC (5-2) and WUCW (23-1) all the time. My VHF was aimed at KEYC (there was no KMNF at the time). I also had a Newark (Stellar Labs) 30-2476 set up elsewhere on my property. I could get KTCA (2-1), KTCI (2-3) and WFTC (9-1) sometimes. The issue is there are two tower setups in Shoreview and they are about 3/4 of a mile apart from each other. One houses WCCO, KSTP, KSTC, WUCW and KARE. The other houses WFTC, KMSP, KTCA and KTCI. When you get that far away (55+ miles) you almost have to split the difference aiming the antenna to get everything. If I aimed directly at the "KMSP tower" that came in better but the "other" (CCO, KSTP, etc) tower the signal was hindered. Since I had FOX already (via KEYC) I aimed for KSTP, KSTC etc (loved the diginets on KTSC). Here is my rabbitears report for my former location and a pic of the setup below. Yeah it was a ghetto rig setup but it worked
www.rabbitears.info
Anywho to clear up some confusion 9-1 transmits from WFTC which is RF29 and has 9-1 (FOX), 9-2 (FOX Plus formerly My) and 9-3 (Movies!)
RF9 KMSP transmits FOX as 9-9 along with Buzzr (9-4), Grio (9-5) and Decades (9-6)
5.1 KSTP (ABC) broadcasts on RF35
5.2 KSTC (Ind) broadcasts on RF30 and last I remember they are broadcasting at lower power right now due to an antenna issue. KSTP (RF35) broadcasts ABC on 5-1, a simulcast of KSTC on 5-5 and Heroes and Icons on 5-7. KSTC (RF30) has Independent on 5-2, MeTv on 5-3, AntennaTV on 5-4 and ThisTV on 5-6. Like I say the last I heard (a couple months ago) KSTC is still broadcasting at lower power (about 3/4 of the power they normally were at).
Are there any elements on the HBU55 that are broken off? The gain is only 9.0 on UHF (9.3 on VHF Hi). My XG91 clone has a 14-16db Gain so every little bit helps. The HBU55 is a nice antenna. Bought one years ago but can't use it where I am now. Also is there a way to possibly run a shorter cable? Again every little bit helps. When I ran my setup I threw the cable across the roof to save about 40 feet of cabling.
The St James translators you most likely wont get. After the repack most of the stations had to drop power and height due to full power stations moving to same frequencies. I have issues in Mankato getting them now
Hope this helps and clears up some confusion
Le Sueur is unique for OTA as honestly location is HUGE! If the original poster (otatvwatcher) lives "up the hill" (N 4th St or higher) their reception will be better than where I lived. I was down by 2nd St which made it a little more difficult. Where are you approximately? (don't have to give exact spot but like as example I lived by Radermachers Grocery Store...your minimal coordinates put you in the vicinity of the fire station). With a simple VHF antenna and a generic XG91 I got WCCO (4-1), KSTP (5-1), KSTC (5-2) and WUCW (23-1) all the time. My VHF was aimed at KEYC (there was no KMNF at the time). I also had a Newark (Stellar Labs) 30-2476 set up elsewhere on my property. I could get KTCA (2-1), KTCI (2-3) and WFTC (9-1) sometimes. The issue is there are two tower setups in Shoreview and they are about 3/4 of a mile apart from each other. One houses WCCO, KSTP, KSTC, WUCW and KARE. The other houses WFTC, KMSP, KTCA and KTCI. When you get that far away (55+ miles) you almost have to split the difference aiming the antenna to get everything. If I aimed directly at the "KMSP tower" that came in better but the "other" (CCO, KSTP, etc) tower the signal was hindered. Since I had FOX already (via KEYC) I aimed for KSTP, KSTC etc (loved the diginets on KTSC). Here is my rabbitears report for my former location and a pic of the setup below. Yeah it was a ghetto rig setup but it worked
RabbitEars.Info
RabbitEars, where you can learn all about local, over-the-air TV channels.
www.rabbitears.info
Anywho to clear up some confusion 9-1 transmits from WFTC which is RF29 and has 9-1 (FOX), 9-2 (FOX Plus formerly My) and 9-3 (Movies!)
RF9 KMSP transmits FOX as 9-9 along with Buzzr (9-4), Grio (9-5) and Decades (9-6)
5.1 KSTP (ABC) broadcasts on RF35
5.2 KSTC (Ind) broadcasts on RF30 and last I remember they are broadcasting at lower power right now due to an antenna issue. KSTP (RF35) broadcasts ABC on 5-1, a simulcast of KSTC on 5-5 and Heroes and Icons on 5-7. KSTC (RF30) has Independent on 5-2, MeTv on 5-3, AntennaTV on 5-4 and ThisTV on 5-6. Like I say the last I heard (a couple months ago) KSTC is still broadcasting at lower power (about 3/4 of the power they normally were at).
Are there any elements on the HBU55 that are broken off? The gain is only 9.0 on UHF (9.3 on VHF Hi). My XG91 clone has a 14-16db Gain so every little bit helps. The HBU55 is a nice antenna. Bought one years ago but can't use it where I am now. Also is there a way to possibly run a shorter cable? Again every little bit helps. When I ran my setup I threw the cable across the roof to save about 40 feet of cabling.
The St James translators you most likely wont get. After the repack most of the stations had to drop power and height due to full power stations moving to same frequencies. I have issues in Mankato getting them now
Hope this helps and clears up some confusion
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WANTED DirecTV LCC
Anyone have a DirecTV Local Channel Connector that you'd like to get rid of at a reasonable price? DirecTV is currently in a contract dispute with owner of my local ABC affiliate.
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I did that. The response was that the LCC is not available. Escalated the issue to a tech support person with the same results.
Could be out of them I guess ... I'd keep trying, every 3-4 days.I did that. The response was that the LCC is not available. Escalated the issue to a tech support person with the same results.
If they are not out of them as them WHY you can't get one, seeing Your in a Dispute. Thats what they are for.
I would make them give you a real answer, don't let them off the hook.
I had one, and it worked well, but I believe I gave it to another D* friend (also had a AM21), I know I gave them away ...
According to the tech support guy, they don't have any in stock. He said I should receive an email when and if they have them. I even told him I would accept a refurbished unit.
I'm not sure your going to find any Refurbished ones as D* doesn't ask for them back.According to the tech support guy, they don't have any in stock. He said I should receive an email when and if they have them. I even told him I would accept a refurbished unit.
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Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?
As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
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So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Hi all, I recently inherited a FTA system off Craiglist and have been trying to get it set up. What I got was a Glorystar-branded ~90cm offset dish with a ground mount (/flat roof) frame, and GEOSATpro DSR200c receiver. From that initial equipment, I've replaced the old LNBF with a (cheap!) new one and also splurged on an SG-2100 H-H motorized rotor which does respond from the receiver's USALS menu.
The previous owner had it set up for religious programming on Galaxy 19 and I've been trying to start by finding that same bird at least. After a couple sessions I'm not sure I have, but I've found *something* at least! A handful of motor ticks further than the dish wants to be for 97W after starting from motor 0 pointing as much south as I can guess at. (I don't have great references to aim for and it's really hard to sight where exactly the dish is pointing anyway….)
Anyway, so far there's only one transponder that I've ever been able to catch as I search. It's 12146 V and when the receiver scans it I get this list of video channels:
but it's a long-winded spiel about "you know us as an industry-leading satellite solutions provider with over a quarter million sites" and to call them For All Your Every Needs™ type thing.
While I get little blips from other frequencies, this is the only strong transponder I've been able to come across. My receiver shows it as S 75 and Q up to 85 when I adjust it. It actually seemed to get better as I **un**skewed my LBNF — iiuc G19 was supposed to be -20º for me but however I'm supposed to be reading/referencing the angles the puck is now basically at 0º relative to the dish/arm got the strongest on this transponder.
Anyway sorry this is so long winded already… my question is, do I even have the right satellite? None of the other transponders that are supposed to be active on G-19 seem to come in. And if not the right satellite does anyone happen to recognize which one I might have found instead? I think knowing that would help me then adjust for a truer south aim and then hopeful the USALS will work automatically once I can get it dialed in.
The previous owner had it set up for religious programming on Galaxy 19 and I've been trying to start by finding that same bird at least. After a couple sessions I'm not sure I have, but I've found *something* at least! A handful of motor ticks further than the dish wants to be for 97W after starting from motor 0 pointing as much south as I can guess at. (I don't have great references to aim for and it's really hard to sight where exactly the dish is pointing anyway….)
Anyway, so far there's only one transponder that I've ever been able to catch as I search. It's 12146 V and when the receiver scans it I get this list of video channels:
- 1.1 Srv_1
- 2.84 OU_Chan
- 3.2 Srv_2
- 4.5 Srv_5
- 5.3 Srv_3
- 6.4 Srv_4
- 7.6 Srv_6
- 8.7 Srv_7
but it's a long-winded spiel about "you know us as an industry-leading satellite solutions provider with over a quarter million sites" and to call them For All Your Every Needs™ type thing.While I get little blips from other frequencies, this is the only strong transponder I've been able to come across. My receiver shows it as S 75 and Q up to 85 when I adjust it. It actually seemed to get better as I **un**skewed my LBNF — iiuc G19 was supposed to be -20º for me but however I'm supposed to be reading/referencing the angles the puck is now basically at 0º relative to the dish/arm got the strongest on this transponder.
Anyway sorry this is so long winded already… my question is, do I even have the right satellite? None of the other transponders that are supposed to be active on G-19 seem to come in. And if not the right satellite does anyone happen to recognize which one I might have found instead? I think knowing that would help me then adjust for a truer south aim and then hopeful the USALS will work automatically once I can get it dialed in.
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Done and done and done! I ended up doing a bit more iteration (back and forth between the left-right and up-down adjustments) but I've now got it landing on G19 at its default position for 97W.
Yep, ended up with a page or two full on my receiver's search. Didn't double-check that my receiver has all six of the right transponders but I can mess with that later if it turns out I'm missing something interesting but still DVB-S / MPEG-2 compatible.
Yep, can see definite signal degradation as soon as I skew the LNB either way from "straight" (seam on the LNB lined up with the clamps on the mounting bracket). Will make setup easier if I want to try swapping anything else in!
I don't know if there's any good (unencrypted, DVB-S) satellite farther away to really check the sweep against, but I was at least able to program in my original find at 101.0 W back in (now at the correct "12000 V 20000" setting) and can get both birds automatically.
Shouldn't be *that* exciting since it's just an ad, but still really fun to choose channels on the other one and have it jog over and lock on
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beside 123W, another one to try (if it's above the horizon at your location) is Hispasat @30W. It has at least 2 DVB-S transponders with SD/Mpeg2 channelsDone and done and done! I ended up doing a bit more iteration (back and forth between the left-right and up-down adjustments) but I've now got it landing on G19 at its default position for 97W.
Yep, ended up with a page or two full on my receiver's search. Didn't double-check that my receiver has all six of the right transponders but I can mess with that later if it turns out I'm missing something interesting but still DVB-S / MPEG-2 compatible.
Yep, can see definite signal degradation as soon as I skew the LNB either way from "straight" (seam on the LNB lined up with the clamps on the mounting bracket). Will make setup easier if I want to try swapping anything else in!
I don't know if there's any good (unencrypted, DVB-S) satellite farther away to really check the sweep against, but I was at least able to program in my original find at 101.0 W back in (now at the correct "12000 V 20000" setting) and can get both birds automatically.
Shouldn't be *that* exciting since it's just an ad, but still really fun to choose channels on the other one and have it jog over and lock on
No luck finding this one. I motor over and it seems like a pretty dead spot of sky. I did get a slight blip (Q up to 1% or 2%) if I lowered the dish slightly. So I wonder if my polar mount itself maybe needs a bit of fine tuning?
Even when loosening the bolts and manually nudging the dish up/down/left/right nothing seemed to really wake it [new receiver, see below!] up and never saw anything more than 4% or 5% which I don't know is even real or could have been just noise?
I'm in Washington state (northwest CONUS) so this one's not an option for me.
I now have a V8 Finder 2
I've been able to scan in more now on G-19, and as well as watching the ad on SES 1 and getting some PBS stations there and G-16 both. So three satellites kinda in the general vicinity of each other (97W/101W/99.1W) programmed and able to rotate between.
Is G-18 at 123W as strong as the others? According to Satbeams I should be at least somewhat in its footprint although it looks like it's maybe focused more on Alaska.
Now that I'm back at my computer waiting for the Finder to charge back up looks like the Eutelsat(s) 117W have a couple Ku transponders I could look for too.
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