Social Feed

Altitudinous

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Apr 20, 2022 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Hopper 3 internal hard drive issues

Well, I finally experienced issues with an internal drive. My owned H3 came with a Seagate ST2000VM003 drive with a 2019 build date. Suddenly one morning the DVR functions were unavailable and the screen showed "HDD Warning 760 - The content on your hard drive has become corrupted and will cause your receiver to function improperly. In order for your receiver to function properly all content on the hard drive will need to be deleted at this time. We apologize for the inconvenience." with an OK button. Well, at least they apologized. Instead of pressing OK, I tried a few power cord reboots as well as restarting through the diagnostics menu, but no change. I also tried running the system checks inside of diagnostics and it instantly reported a status of 100 on the hard drive test. In this case scoring 100 is bad. Finally I decided to press the OK button and I got a message about the hard drive being successfully "cleaned". I felt comforted now having a clean hard drive.

A couple of observations:
1. Despite not having any hard drive functions, multiple tuners remained available on the Hopper 3 and on the 4K Joey that I use frequently. Kudos to Dish for that.
2. It would be nice to have more information about the unclean hard drive and possibly be able to clean just the "dirty" parts instead of losing all recordings.
3. It would be nice to have information about the code 100 reported for the hard drive on the diagnostics with a red X and the ability to run some non-destructive checks and repairs on the drive.
4. After the "cleaning" the drive seemed to function normally.

Of course, now I didn't trust that drive. I ordered a "new" ST2000VM003 and installed it. This drive turned out to have a 2012(!) build date. I hear those were the good ones.

No issues, H3 started right up and the new drive was available. Additional kudos for how easy this is. I'll now keep the old drive on the shelf as a spare. I might try putting it in an enclosure and running some tests on it, but I don't want to do that now.

Just to test things out, I tried transferring some recordings from an EHD to the H3 with the new drive. I got this helpful message: "The transfer completed with errors." None of the recordings appeared to have been transferred. Not knowing how to see what these errors were, I tried running the system check and of course it reported that the hard drive was OK. Some kudos were retracted.

I then tried making new recordings on the DVR, transferring to the EHD, and transferring them back. These completed without error.
It seems that maybe the H3 prevents transfer of recordings from an EHD to a Hopper 3 with a different drive than the one that was used to transfer them to the EHD originally, but I don't know.

The internal hard drive diagnostics and reporting functions on the H3 could use some work. Should I hold my breath? Maybe some Satellite Guys out there have some insight.

21 Replies · 6640 views

Load Replies (21) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: TheKrell, HipKat and charlesrshell

Altitudinous

Jan 28, 2022

Jim5506 said:
WD Black drives are designed for video gaming, perhaps the WD Purple Surveillance drives would be better for DVR purposes.

IIRC the drives in the Hopper 3 are not limited to certain model numbers as they were on earlier machines, they are more plug and play.

We were away for a month, with the H3 active and doing its thing, just a couple of Joeys deactivated for that time.

Upon my return on Jan. 23...the H3 was stuck in a "Starting up" status. Multiple reboots and power pulls, no change. It looked like the "new" ST2000VM003 that had been in service since November 12 had apparently failed. I put the previous ST2000VM003 that I had kept as a spare back into the H3 and I was back in business. I returned the new ST2000VM003 that I had bought in November.

I was encouraged by Jim5506's statement about the H3 not being limited to certain model numbers. I went rogue and ordered a Western Digital Purple model WD22PURZ, 2TB with 256MB cache. Installed it today. Nope. The H3 came up without hard drive functions, with hard drive error 311 with Reference: 4ee. Multiple reboots and power pulls resulted in no change.

Thinking I might have a bad WD22PURZ, I put it into an enclosure and attached it as an EHD to the H3. It formatted fine and was made available. So it's not the drive. It's that the H3 doesn't seem to support this particular 2TB drive as an internal drive.

I called Dish support and asked for a list of internal hard drives that will work with the H3. Not surprisingly, the answer was that they didn't have such a list. The reason? Because they don't recommend customers opening an H3 and replacing a hard drive. That answer of course makes sense for leased H3s, you know, just send it back and we'll send another one. It would seem that somebody at Dish would know what hard drives have ever been put into an H3 and are known to work, to be able to help out us poor sots who actually own our H3.

Anyone know possible hard drives that will work as the internal drive in an H3 besides the Seagate ST2000VM003 and the WD WD20EURX? Perhaps drives more current than 2012 vintage?

Reactions: TheKrell and charlesrshell

MikeD-C05

Jan 29, 2022

Altitudinous said:
We were away for a month, with the H3 active and doing its thing, just a couple of Joeys deactivated for that time.

Upon my return on Jan. 23...the H3 was stuck in a "Starting up" status. Multiple reboots and power pulls, no change. It looked like the "new" ST2000VM003 that had been in service since November 12 had apparently failed. I put the previous ST2000VM003 that I had kept as a spare back into the H3 and I was back in business. I returned the new ST2000VM003 that I had bought in November.

I was encouraged by Jim5506's statement about the H3 not being limited to certain model numbers. I went rogue and ordered a Western Digital Purple model WD22PURZ, 2TB with 256MB cache. Installed it today. Nope. The H3 came up without hard drive functions, with hard drive error 311 with Reference: 4ee. Multiple reboots and power pulls resulted in no change.

Thinking I might have a bad WD22PURZ, I put it into an enclosure and attached it as an EHD to the H3. It formatted fine and was made available. So it's not the drive. It's that the H3 doesn't seem to support this particular 2TB drive as an internal drive.

I called Dish support and asked for a list of internal hard drives that will work with the H3. Not surprisingly, the answer was that they didn't have such a list. The reason? Because they don't recommend customers opening an H3 and replacing a hard drive. That answer of course makes sense for leased H3s, you know, just send it back and we'll send another one. It would seem that somebody at Dish would know what hard drives have ever been put into an H3 and are known to work, to be able to help out us poor sots who actually own our H3.

Anyone know possible hard drives that will work as the internal drive in an H3 besides the Seagate ST2000VM003 and the WD WD20EURX? Perhaps drives more current than 2012 vintage?

Add the insurance for DISH and then call in and get the owned hopper replaced. I owned all my receivers and have done replacements for any of them , including the hopper if they crapped out. Then you can drop the insurance when you have the new replacement in place and you send the old one into DISH in the same box they ship you the replacement.

Reactions: KAB, TheKrell and charlesrshell

Altitudinous

Jan 30, 2022

MikeD-C05 said:
Add the insurance for DISH and then call in and get the owned hopper replaced. I owned all my receivers and have done replacements for any of them , including the hopper if they crapped out. Then you can drop the insurance when you have the new replacement in place and you send the old one into DISH in the same box they ship you the replacement.

Good idea. I asked about the insurance on my call to request the model numbers of drives that work in the H3. He said it's a 6 month minimum on the insurance. For that same $60, I can have a spare hard drive on the shelf in case of failure. Then, as happened to me, I get home and the H3 won't even start up, I was able to be back and operational in 15 minutes by swapping hard drives instead of waiting some days for a replacement H3.

However, since I'm paying the DVR fee but not using a leased H3, it seems to me that Dish owes me an H3 as part of my package. Then I could keep my owned H3 on the shelf as a spare and be able to fairly quickly be back operational if something happens to the leased H3. I'll probably go ask about that.

Reactions: charlesrshell

charlesrshell

Jan 30, 2022

Altitudinous said:
Good idea. I asked about the insurance on my call to request the model numbers of drives that work in the H3. He said it's a 6 month minimum on the insurance. For that same $60, I can have a spare hard drive on the shelf in case of failure. Then, as happened to me, I get home and the H3 won't even start up, I was able to be back and operational in 15 minutes by swapping hard drives instead of waiting some days for a replacement H3.

However, since I'm paying the DVR fee but not using a leased H3, it seems to me that Dish owes me an H3 as part of my package. Then I could keep my owned H3 on the shelf as a spare and be able to fairly quickly be back operational if something happens to the leased H3. I'll probably go ask about that.

DISH Loyalty department told me one time that some States do not allow the DISH insurance 6 months requirement. It is one month instead of six.

Reactions: TheKrell

Altitudinous

Jan 30, 2022

charlesrshell said:
DISH Loyalty department told me one time that some States do not allow the DISH insurance 6 months requirement. It is one month instead of six.

Interesting. They told me 6 months but it's worth checking back on. Thanks.

Reactions: charlesrshell

charlesrshell

Jan 30, 2022

Altitudinous said:
Interesting. They told me 6 months but it's worth checking back on. Thanks.

It is six months for majority of States. But some States only one month is required to keep the insurance. That is what the Loyalty folks told me about a year ago. I guess the CSR will tell you or ask the Loyalty department for your State. I think Texas is one month.

Reactions: MikeD-C05, ethanlerma and Altitudinous

ethanlerma

Jan 30, 2022

charlesrshell said:
I think Texas is one month.

Being in Texas and never hearing about this 6 month rule, I think you are correct.

Reactions: TheKrell and charlesrshell

charlesrshell

Jan 30, 2022

ethanlerma said:
Being in Texas and never hearing about this 6 month rule, I think you are correct.

So you have started the DISH insurance before then cancelled it in a month? Didn't have it going on for six months like DISH says you have too?

TheKrell

Jan 31, 2022

charlesrshell said:
So you have started the DISH insurance before then cancelled it in a month? Didn't have it going on for six months like DISH says you have too?

I'm thinking that VA also has a 1-month requirement, because I had to replace my owned 722, and I was able to turn off the protection program after about that long. (In my memory, it was only 2 weeks.) I had to replace both 612's as well at about the same time, but they were leased and so required no addition of the protection plan.

Reactions: MikeD-C05 and charlesrshell

ewindowman

Apr 20, 2022

Just wondering if my hard drive is ready to quit. It will show everything that I recorded but when you click on if there's nothing available. After a reboot it's working but it has happened several times.

Reactions: TheKrell

bookworm370

Apr 20, 2022

I've been seeing that a log on H316. 317 was just released today, hopefully there will be a fix.

Reactions: charlesrshell

jerryez

Apr 20, 2022

ewindowman said:
Just wondering if my hard drive is ready to quit. It will show everything that I recorded but when you click on if there's nothing available. After a reboot it's working but it has happened several times.

Transfer all recordings to an External hard drive, before it quits working forever.

Reactions: harshness, ewindowman, TheKrell and 1 other person

ewindowman

Apr 20, 2022

The only recording I want to keep is the Eagles wining the super bowl I probably will never see that again..

View all replies (21)

JSheridan

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 17 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

156 Replies · 4310 views

Load Replies (156) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: That American Girl, MikeD-C05, AkaDoubleG and 6 others

Foxbat

Sep 25, 2026

Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…

Reactions: charlesrshell

slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:37 PM

Foxbat said:
Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…

have charlie buy you a new house :biggrin

Reactions: charlesrshell

telstar_1

Today at 8:46 PM

Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?

Reactions: charlesrshell

Foxbat

Today at 8:53 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
have charlie buy you a new house

Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…

Reactions: Bobby, slow_poke_pete and charlesrshell

slow_poke_pete

Today at 9:11 PM

Foxbat said:
Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…

that would be one hell of a convo :biggrin

Reactions: charlesrshell

osu1991

17 minutes ago

telstar_1 said:
Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?

New more efficient encoders. I think there's around 60 channels/sub channels now in the Tulsa dma. 480 widescreen for most of the sub channels, but some have 2 HD channels and a couple of SD sub channels while others have 1 HD and 5 or more SD sub channels. If they moved to mp4 or hevc encoding they could do higher bitrates for SD or more HD or even 4K in that 6Mhz channel. That could render some early digital tvs unable to tune though as they may not have the codecs for that. Considering 4K tvs have been on sale for years, I think it would be a very small minority of TVs with the problem. I'd rather see that happen and keep ATSC 1 than continue the move to a DRM enforced ATSC 3 world.

Reactions: charlesrshell

View all replies (156)

SatZach

Last reply 53 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Is Roku the new Legacy Cable?

The title was to catch everyone's eye lol! But it is a thought I've been having as I dev a Roku app for a client. You see many MAAANY years ago I got really interested in cable TV channels and even chatted with a regional carrier, Insight about what it took to get a channel number. It was surprisingly easy although prohibitively expensive.

You could petition, reserve a high channel number, they monitored performance and if they liked you, you'd get lower channel number overtime and cut into ad overlays.

Roku has a similar setup. Make an app, if it has a strong, original linear component you could get channel assignment on The Roku Channel.

As mixed as my feelings are on the current media landscape, I can't help but feel a little excited interest when I scope out the apps in the Roku store.

2 Replies · 41 views

Load Replies (2) Reply Legacy View

navychop

Today at 9:53 PM

Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.

SatZach

53 minutes ago

navychop said:
Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.

All of those services have FAST Channels. FAST is a linear online broadcast stndrd. You notice how their linear channels all have some overlap? They are gettting paid for every second those streams are up without really having to do their own accounting. Best part is they don't even facilitate any of the stream bandwidth. Over glorified app stores on some android hardware. No reason NOT to stay in the game.

klang

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 9:52 PM · posted in TV Shows

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.

94 Replies · 3711 views

Load Replies (94) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: MikeD-C05, TheKrell and Foxbat

harshness

Today at 11:53 AM

Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.

Reactions: Foxbat

long_time_Dish

Today at 3:35 PM

harshness said:
Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.

Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...

Jimbo

Today at 8:14 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...

Me either ...
They turned out to be a Poor adversary ....

Foxbat

Today at 9:02 PM

They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"

Reactions: long_time_Dish

long_time_Dish

Today at 9:52 PM

Foxbat said:
They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"

And too many episodes centering on/around them as well...

View all replies (94)

SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 8:43 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

35 Replies · 1103 views

Load Replies (35) Reply Legacy View

Strega

Wednesday at 6:21 PM

I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!

Reactions: AZ., dishdude and charlesrshell

Almighty1

Thursday at 8:53 PM

I remember this in the news too...

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.

www.nbcnews.com

Reactions: MikeD-C05 and charlesrshell

Bobby

Thursday at 9:21 PM

Almighty1 said:
I remember this in the news too...

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.

www.nbcnews.com

That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.

Reactions: MikeD-C05, charlesrshell, AZ. and 2 others

SuperDish_Fan23

Friday at 4:24 PM

SuperDish_Fan23 said:
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff

Reactions: MikeD-C05 and charlesrshell

slow_poke_pete

Friday at 5:51 PM

SuperDish_Fan23 said:
Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wL6dsORmXg

Reactions: SuperDish_Fan23 and charlesrshell

telstar_1

Friday at 5:58 PM

Slicker guides never did much for me

Reactions: charlesrshell

Almighty1

Friday at 10:33 PM

Bobby said:
That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.

Good point as part of that time mentioned was before I was even alive.

While reports from the family's case focused entirely on the equipment rental charges, media records show that Ester Strogen originally started by paying $29.95 per quarter ($9.98 per month) in the 1960s for her combined telephone connection.
The actual base cost for standard residential telephone service over a 42-year period (spanning roughly 1964 to 2006) reveals how basic connection costs evolved compared to the equipment rental fees:

Historical Phone Service Rates

1960s – 1970s Base Rate: Standard local phone service was heavily subsidized and tightly regulated under the Bell System monopoly. A basic landline package with unlimited local calling typically cost between $5.00 and $10.00 per month.
1980s – 2000s Post-Deregulation Rate: Following the AT&T divestiture in 1984, base line service rates steadily climbed due to the introduction of subscriber line charges, touch-tone fees, and local infrastructure adjustments. By 2006, basic flat-rate local residential phone service hovered around $15.00 to $25.00 per month (excluding long-distance packages and taxes).

The True Lifetime Service Bill

Assuming an average baseline connection fee of roughly $12.00 a month over that 42-year span, the line connectivity itself would have realistically accumulated to approximately $6,000 in raw cash payouts.
When you bundle the actual service costs together with the escalating equipment rental fees, the total cumulative out-of-pocket phone expenses over those four decades easily crossed $12,000 to $14,000. Long-distance phone calls—which were billed entirely by the minute back then and could cost up to 15 to 30 cents per minute—would add significantly more to that historical total depending on usage.

The widely publicized calculation stems from a viral news story from 2006 involving a widow named Ester Strogen. Her family discovered she had been continuously leasing two rotary dial telephones from AT&T for 42 years.
The total cost—which actually came out to more than $14,000 by the time the lease was canceled—was calculated based on the following legacy telecom structure:

The Monthly Fee: At the time her granddaughters discovered the charges, the ongoing leasing fee was $29.10 per month for the two outdated phones.
The Math: Over 42 years (504 months), paying roughly $24 to $30 a month accumulates to between $12,000 and $14,600 ($29.10 × 504 months = $14,666.40).

Why did this happen?
Prior to the landmark breakup of AT&T ("Ma Bell") in 1984, consumers were legally not allowed to own their phones; they were required to lease them directly from the phone company.
When the laws changed and phone ownership became legal, AT&T spun off its rental division into a company called QLT Consumer Lease Services. Millions of customers, particularly elderly individuals who were used to seeing a single unified phone bill, simply never realized that the small recurring "equipment lease" line-item could be canceled by buying a cheap phone at a retail store.

Yes, leasing absolutely cost that much in reality, and the math is entirely accurate. However, the calculations performed by the family did contain one major historical nuance: they multiplied the final 2006 rate across all 42 years, which means the actual total cash paid out was likely a bit lower.
The original viral story focused on 82-year-old widow Ester Strogen from Canton, Ohio, who paid $29.10 a month for two black rotary phones until her family intervened in July 2006.
The reality behind how the cost reached that staggering total breaks down into two distinct phases:

Phase 1: The Historical Base Rate (1960s – 1984)

When Strogen first got the phones in the 1960s, renting was a legal mandate and cost a fraction of the 2006 price—usually just a few dollars a month.

The "Insurance" Mirage: In exchange for that fee, Ma Bell promised free, lifetime maintenance. If the phone broke, they replaced it instantly at no extra cost.
The Cost-Plus Reality: Because these solid-state phones were built like tanks out of heavy plastic and steel, they almost never broke. Consumers paid a continuous premium for decades for a repair service they rarely used.

Phase 2: The Deregulation Rate Hikes (1984 – 2006)

After AT&T was forced to break up its monopoly in 1984, the rental side of the business was shifted to Lucent Technologies and later a legacy holding company. To maximize profit off a shrinking customer base, they steadily increased the monthly rental fees over the next 20 years.

By 2006, the rental cost had quietly ballooned to roughly $14.55 per phone per month.
When the family discovered the $29.10 monthly charge, they looked back at the 42-year span and estimated the collective loss at over $14,000.

Even adjusted for historical inflation—where $2 a month in 1964 had the purchasing power of roughly $20 today—Ester Strogen and hundreds of thousands of other elderly Americans realistically paid thousands of dollars out-of-pocket for standard desk phones they could have purchased at retail for $10.

The exact out-of-pocket dollar amount Ester Strogen paid over those 42 years was never publicly determined, as neither AT&T nor the family had access to monthly billing records stretching all the way back to the 1960s.
The figures reported in the media are entirely mathematical estimates based on the 2006 rate. The two primary numbers used to define the "cost" are:

The Stated Media Total: More than $14,000.
The Exact Family Formula: $14,666.40. This was derived by taking her final recorded bill of $29.10 per month and multiplying it across the full 42 years (504 months).

What the True Cash Cost Likely Was

Because AT&T did not charge $29.10 a month back in 1964, the true historical cash sum she handed over was lower than $14,000. In the 1960s and 1970s, basic phone lease fees were generally bundled into standard service or itemized at just $1.00 to $2.00 a month per phone.
If we realistically assume she paid lower base rates for the first 20 years before the post-1984 deregulation price hikes took effect, a realistic estimate of the actual cash paid is between $5,000 and $7,000.

The Real Cost When Adjusted for Inflation

While the family's $14,000 calculation overestimates the raw cash paid, it actually underestimates the true economic damage when factoring in the time value of money.
Paying $2.00 a month for equipment in 1964 sounds minor, but due to severe inflation during the 1970s, those early single dollars had the purchasing power of roughly $20.00 each in 2006 terms. If you adjust every historical lower monthly payment upward to account for inflation, Ester Strogen realistically lost the equivalent of well over $15,000 in modern purchasing power by renting instead of buying.

Reactions: charlesrshell

slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:28 PM

telstar_1 said:
Slicker guides never did much for me

me either. sometimes it seems like things disappear when they start changing sh*t around :biggrin

Reactions: charlesrshell

slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:43 PM

Strega said:
I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!

you would be better off looking in ca for a train wreck to nowhere :biggrin

Reactions: charlesrshell

View all replies (35)

jcrandall

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 8:42 PM · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Channels on DIRECTV Satellite and not on Stream/Internet

So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.

MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.

DirecTV Sat vs Stream.pdf 46 KB

243 Replies · 31869 views

Load Replies (243) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: DS0816, Tecnicoloco and Jimbo

KyL416

Aug 3, 2026

WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.

Reactions: darren_s, mario315, Former member 209992 and 2 others

harshness

Oct 15, 2026

One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.

mario315

Friday at 11:55 PM

harshness said:
One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.

KyL416

Yesterday at 12:00 AM

WPLG/10 Miami is now available to stream customers

The CW stations WCWW/25 South Bend and WBKP/5 Marquette are testing on the stream server

Last week they also added a bunch of CW stations that are still not available to sat customers:
WETM-DT/19 Elmira
WJET-DT/25 Erie
KLFY-DT/11 Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 Utica
KFDX-DT/4 Wichita Falls

Reactions: Mr Tony and mario315

mario315

Yesterday at 12:07 AM

Well, that was fast ! DTV Stream brought back WTCN's HD signal today.

I have to assume the station signing up a week ago as the Miami Heat affiliate here (to carry their games) did the trick. NBA magic !!!

Or the station engineer took care of the problem after hearing about it.

Reactions: KyL416

darren_s

Today at 8:29 PM

KyL416 said:
WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.

Channel 28 Nashville hasn't been added so far, correct?

KyL416

Today at 8:42 PM

WNPX Nashville and WMYD Detroit were added to stream about 2 months ago.

They also now have PRDTRS/651 for those in Predators territory outside of the Nashville DMA and PISTONS/663-2 for those in Pistons territory outside of the Detroit DMA.

View all replies (243)

TheForce

Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Today at 8:32 PM · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.

132 Replies · 1460 views

Load Replies (132) Reply Legacy View

comfortably_numb

Oct 10, 2026

Can't remember if I've posted this yet..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU

Reactions: slow_poke_pete

Foxbat

Yesterday at 11:47 AM

If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.

Reactions: comfortably_numb

comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:56 AM

Foxbat said:
No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter

And definitely no medieval chain armor!

Reactions: Foxbat

harshness

Today at 12:18 PM

comfortably_numb said:
medieval chain armor

Aka "mail" or "maille".

Reactions: Foxbat and comfortably_numb

Foxbat

Today at 7:05 PM

IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:31 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Can't remember if I've posted this yet..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU

most carriers do. that's why they send updates that slow phones down!! i buy unlocked phones no effect to me

slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:32 PM

Foxbat said:
IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

hope you have apple care a screen job is 1000.00

. can we say over priced garbage!!!

View all replies (132)

meStevo

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 8:17 PM · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

127 Replies · 2316 views

Load Replies (127) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: Jimbo and dfergie

rvvaquero

Tuesday at 11:33 AM

Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.

Reactions: Mike0616, dfergie and b4pjoe

Yespage

Thursday at 9:15 AM

rvvaquero said:
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.

Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.

Reactions: b4pjoe

b4pjoe

Thursday at 9:53 AM

Yespage said:
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.

Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.

Reactions: rvvaquero, osu1991 and Yespage

rvvaquero

Thursday at 11:50 AM

Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.

Reactions: b4pjoe and Mike0616

meStevo

Thursday at 10:53 PM

View: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/2113438192913588676?s=20

Reactions: Mike0616 and osu1991

meStevo

Today at 8:17 PM

Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.

Reactions: Mike0616 and Foxbat

View all replies (127)

TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 5:52 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHoCBzfrdmQ

Direct YouTube Link - This Week in Tech 1107
TWIT's Website
TWIT Live Feed

0 Replies · 10 views

Replies Reply Legacy View

TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 5:52 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYRNrj5MQzw

Direct YouTube Link - This Week in Tech 1107
TWIT's Website
TWIT Live Feed

0 Replies · 17 views

Replies Reply Legacy View

TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 5:52 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41qc5p2NdN4

Direct YouTube Link - This Week in Tech 1107
TWIT's Website
TWIT Live Feed

Search

Search

Social Feed

Hopper 3 internal hard drive issues

All DMA's now Western Arc

Is Roku the new Legacy Cable?

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

Channels on DIRECTV Satellite and not on Stream/Internet

Apple Event September 2026

NFL 2026-2027 Season

This Week in Tech 1107

This Week in Tech 1107

This Week in Tech 1107