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Folds5300

Last reply Dec 9, 2021 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Hopper 3 and Wally

After much research I have figured out in order to run a Hopper 3 with 2 joeys and 2 Wallys there will need to be two different Dishes or a DPP LNB with a DP42 switch. Reason I'm wanting to do this is I have an RV with 2 wallys. I want to use the two wallys to move back and fourth from house and RV. The dish on the house will be a new install with all new equipment (currently the home is under construction). I figure the easiest thing is install one Dish with a DPP LNB and DP42 switch. Question is would the installer from dish (when I call them to install) install a DPP LNB if I asked for it. Or will they automatically install the hybrid? I will have 4 RG6 running from dish location into the attic where home runs from each tv location run. I have no problem buying the DPP LNB and switch and changing it out once the installer leaves. If this is what I will need to do which LNB would be the correct one I need bi see several different models online. Will the dish need to be re tuned if I have to swap the LNB's myself?

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TheKrell

Dec 3, 2021

Folds5300 said:
After much research I have figured out in order to run a Hopper 3 with 2 joeys and 2 Wallys there will need to be two different Dishes or a DPP LNB with a DP42 switch.

I think that DPH42 switch has only 2 outputs, leaving one of your Wally's out in the RV.

ethanlerma

Dec 3, 2021

Here is the DPH42 manual. https://manuals.solidsignal.com/DPH42_Installation.pdf

You are going to need one of those switches, and something called a channel stack splitter. Here is one from SolidSignal DISH 2-Way Stackable Commercial Splitter for DPH42 Switch (ES009714) , if you get the switch from there, I would highly recommend buying both in the same order because they charge UPS ground shipping regardless of how small of an item you buy (It would cost me $16 to have that $7 splitter ship to Texas for example).

TheKrell said:
I think that DP42 switch has only 2 outputs, leaving one of your Wally's out in the RV.

One of the outputs (or even both I believe) can be split off with one of the previously mentioned splitters up to 16 times, both Wally's and Hopper Duo's support this. (That's the reason they are considered Hybrid receivers despite only having 2 tuners).

Bobby said:
The DPH42 is for use with the Hopper Joey configuration using a standard DP LNB. The Wally's would be fed directly from the dish in front of that 42 switch.

Do you mean connect the Wally's on the same LNB as the switch? That would not work, you need one coax run per satellite to get the switch working (Just like with the DPP44) so all of the LNB outputs would be taken up by the sat feeds. Only exception to this might be the DPP EA Twin LNB, it has 3 outputs but only two would be used for the switch. But there is a high chance the LNB will disable its internal switch when it detects the DPH42, in which case port 3 would provide sat 72.7 only.

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Folds5300

Dec 4, 2021

ethanlerma said:
Here is the DPH42 manual. https://manuals.solidsignal.com/DPH42_Installation.pdf

You are going to need one of those switches, and something called a channel stack splitter. Here is one from SolidSignal DISH 2-Way Stackable Commercial Splitter for DPH42 Switch (ES009714) , if you get the switch from there, I would highly recommend buying both in the same order because they charge UPS ground shipping regardless of how small of an item you buy (It would cost me $16 to have that $7 splitter ship to Texas for example).

One of the outputs (or even both I believe) can be split off with one of the previously mentioned splitters up to 16 times, both Wally's and Hopper Duo's support this. (That's the reason they are considered Hybrid receivers despite only having 2 tuners).

Do you mean connect the Wally's on the same LNB as the switch? That would not work, you need one coax run per satellite to get the switch working (Just like with the DPP44) so all of the LNB outputs would be taken up by the sat feeds. Only exception to this might be the DPP EA Twin LNB, it has 3 outputs but only two would be used for the switch. But there is a high chance the LNB will disable its internal switch when it detects the DPH42, in which case port 3 would provide sat 72.7 only.

Thanks for the drawing and Info. This is exactly what I figured I had to do. Do you know if the Dish Installer will install this way? I am guessing they will not which is no big deal as I can do it. However, I notice several different DPP LNB. Is there one that will work with the actual Dish that the installer will install? Only reason I am even wanting the installer is so I do not have to install and tune the Dish. If I am going to have to retune or change the dish out there is no reason for them to even come out. If I go this route with a DPP LNB will I lose any of the options the Hopper 3 offers?

TheKrell

Dec 4, 2021

Folds5300 said:
I notice several different DPP LNB. Is there one that will work with the actual Dish that the installer will install?

EA or WA? That will determine which LNB to buy. Either way, I think but don't know that you won't even have to replace the LNB. I have read reports here that the hybrid LNB they will install can also feed a DPH42.

Folds5300 said:
If I go this route with a DPP LNB will I lose any of the options the Hopper 3 offers?

It is my understanding that the DPP LNB with the DPH42 retains all Hopper 3 functions.

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Folds5300

Dec 9, 2021

TheKrell said:
EA or WA? That will determine which LNB to buy. Either way, I think but don't know that you won't even have to replace the LNB. I have read reports here that the hybrid LNB they will install can also feed a DPH42.

It is my understanding that the DPP LNB with the DPH42 retains all Hopper 3 functions.

I am in Florida so going to need a WA. From what I have gathered I will need an LNBF Bracket to install the DPP on to the 1000.2 dish. The part I am having troubles figuring out exactly what I need is the actual LNB. I see the DPP 500+ receives signal from the 110°, 118.7°, 119° and 129° orbital locations with the additional bracket and LNBF. However, what is the additional bracket and LNBF. I can not seem to find that anywhere. Is this what I would actually need or is there a better option to get all of the signals?

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TheKrell

Dec 9, 2021

Folds5300 said:
I am in Florida so going to need a WA. From what I have gathered I will need an LNBF Bracket to install the DPP on to the 1000.2 dish. The part I am having troubles figuring out exactly what I need is the actual LNB. I see the DPP 500+ receives signal from the 110°, 118.7°, 119° and 129° orbital locations with the additional bracket and LNBF. However, what is the additional bracket and LNBF. I can not seem to find that anywhere. Is this what I would actually need or is there a better option to get all of the signals?

OK, this is a new wrinkle. Do you receive any channels from 118? The normal installation for 110/119/129 for WA is a 1000.2 which will come with it's own bracket and DPH or DPP LNB. I think we determined you want a DPP LNB to feed the DPH42 for your Wally's. But if you sub to channels requiring 118, then Dish will very likely install a DPP LNB for you and you can add the DPH42 later (if necessary). Note that I am not sure about that. Are there any hybrid LNBs available for 110/118/119/129? I have never heard of them if so.

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ethanlerma

Dec 9, 2021

Folds5300 said:
I am in Florida so going to need a WA.

Most of Florida seems to be both WA/EA, with some exceptions being Jacksonville (SD on WA and HD on EA) or Miami being WA exclusive, so just make sure before you buy (also, WA is south west and EA is south east, if you have any obstacles in either direction it might make the case to use a different arc if you have the option).

Folds5300 said:
I see the DPP 500+ receives signal from the 110°, 118.7°, 119° and 129° orbital locations with the additional bracket and LNBF.

Unless you are intending to get international channels excluding the already existing Spanish channels on the regular satellites, you do not need the DPP 500+/1000+, since this LNB belongs to a dish named the Dish 1000+ for reception of the international satellite at 118.7. If you are indeed getting international channels, then you don't need to worry about anything because there is only a DPP version of the 1000+ and you will have a DPH42 installed anyway to feed the Hopper 3. But I suspect this is not the case, right?

However, what is the additional bracket and LNBF. I can not seem to find that anywhere. Is this what I would actually need or is there a better option to get all of the signals?

Here is an example on eBay of what you need (given the nature of eBay, I'll mention that I'm not endorsing these particular sellers, it's just to give you an example. I've yet to have a problem buying used LNBFs off the website but you never know with used stuff).

WA LNB : Dish Network Dish Pro Plus 1000.2 Triple LNB 110 119 129 HD | eBay

EA LNB: Dish Network LNB 1000.2 DPP Twin Eastern LNBF Pro Plus EA Arc 72 61.5 Satellite 753960012728 | eBay

Bracket (works for both): DISH NETWORK 1000.2 INTEGRATED LNB BRACKET / ADAPTER / HOLDER / YOKE BRAND NEW!! | eBay

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Folds5300

Dec 9, 2021

ethanlerma said:
Most of Florida seems to be both WA/EA, with some exceptions being Jacksonville (SD on WA and HD on EA) or Miami being WA exclusive, so just make sure before you buy (also, WA is south west and EA is south east, if you have any obstacles in either direction it might make the case to use a different arc if you have the option).

Unless you are intending to get international channels excluding the already existing Spanish channels on the regular satellites, you do not need the DPP 500+/1000+, since this LNB belongs to a dish named the Dish 1000+ for reception of the international satellite at 118.7. If you are indeed getting international channels, then you don't need to worry about anything because there is only a DPP version of the 1000+ and you will have a DPH42 installed anyway to feed the Hopper 3. But I suspect this is not the case, right?

Here is an example on eBay of what you need (given the nature of eBay, I'll mention that I'm not endorsing these particular sellers, it's just to give you an example. I've yet to have a problem buying used LNBFs off the website but you never know with used stuff).

WA LNB : Dish Network Dish Pro Plus 1000.2 Triple LNB 110 119 129 HD | eBay

EA LNB: Dish Network LNB 1000.2 DPP Twin Eastern LNBF Pro Plus EA Arc 72 61.5 Satellite 753960012728 | eBay

Bracket (works for both): DISH NETWORK 1000.2 INTEGRATED LNB BRACKET / ADAPTER / HOLDER / YOKE BRAND NEW!! | eBay

Folds5300

Dec 9, 2021

ethanlerma said:
Most of Florida seems to be both WA/EA, with some exceptions being Jacksonville (SD on WA and HD on EA) or Miami being WA exclusive, so just make sure before you buy (also, WA is south west and EA is south east, if you have any obstacles in either direction it might make the case to use a different arc if you have the option).

Unless you are intending to get international channels excluding the already existing Spanish channels on the regular satellites, you do not need the DPP 500+/1000+, since this LNB belongs to a dish named the Dish 1000+ for reception of the international satellite at 118.7. If you are indeed getting international channels, then you don't need to worry about anything because there is only a DPP version of the 1000+ and you will have a DPH42 installed anyway to feed the Hopper 3. But I suspect this is not the case, right?

Here is an example on eBay of what you need (given the nature of eBay, I'll mention that I'm not endorsing these particular sellers, it's just to give you an example. I've yet to have a problem buying used LNBFs off the website but you never know with used stuff).

WA LNB : Dish Network Dish Pro Plus 1000.2 Triple LNB 110 119 129 HD | eBay

EA LNB: Dish Network LNB 1000.2 DPP Twin Eastern LNBF Pro Plus EA Arc 72 61.5 Satellite 753960012728 | eBay

Bracket (works for both): DISH NETWORK 1000.2 INTEGRATED LNB BRACKET / ADAPTER / HOLDER / YOKE BRAND NEW!! | eBay

Thanks for the info. I'm in the Pensacola area, closer to Alabama. Definitely do not need any international Chanel's. My RV, when tuned in shows 110,119 & 129. So guessing all I need is the WA LNB. Which brings up another question in my RV. I have a winguard traveler with a hybrid. Does this mean if I travel west I'm possibly going to lose Chanel's or since it auto tunes will it still work with the LNB. Traveling to Montana next spring so wondering if I will encounter a problem.

ethanlerma

Dec 9, 2021

Folds5300 said:
Thanks for the info. I'm in the Pensacola area, closer to Alabama. Definitely do not need any international Chanel's. My RV, when tuned in shows 110,119 & 129. So guessing all I need is the WA LNB.

Mobile, AL/Pensacola, FL is a EA/WA market, so I would just get a WA DPP LNB for consistency with the trav'ler in the RV.

Folds5300 said:
Which brings up another question in my RV. I have a winguard traveler with a hybrid. Does this mean if I travel west I'm possibly going to lose Chanel's or since it auto tunes will it still work with the LNB. Traveling to Montana next spring so wondering if I will encounter a problem.

WA covers most of the US with the far NE (New York, NH, VT, Mass, Maine etc) being near impossible to get HD service from because 129 is too low on the horizon (hence the existence of EA, which is easy to get on the east coast but not everywhere else). So you will be able to receive normal national service just about anywhere, except HD in those New England areas (In some very clear places like in the middle of a field or something it may be possible, but unlikely). What you may run into is locals being either exclusive to one arc or another, or being present on both arcs. This varies by city, and you can consult this page from earlier for more info Local Channels on DISH Network (Unofficial Listing) .

Some examples since you mentioned Montana: The whole state seems to be WA exclusive (Billings, Butte, Great Falls and Helena), while Glendive is on both arcs (110° SD and 61.5° HD). So you will be able to get HD locals pretty much anywhere except Glendive, where you will only get them in SD. National channels work independently of which arc you are on for the most part.

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SatZach

Last reply 24 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Is Roku the new Legacy Cable?

The title was to catch everyone's eye lol! But it is a thought I've been having as I dev a Roku app for a client. You see many MAAANY years ago I got really interested in cable TV channels and even chatted with a regional carrier, Insight about what it took to get a channel number. It was surprisingly easy although prohibitively expensive.

You could petition, reserve a high channel number, they monitored performance and if they liked you, you'd get lower channel number overtime and cut into ad overlays.

Roku has a similar setup. Make an app, if it has a strong, original linear component you could get channel assignment on The Roku Channel.

As mixed as my feelings are on the current media landscape, I can't help but feel a little excited interest when I scope out the apps in the Roku store.

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navychop

24 minutes ago

Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.

klang

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 25 minutes ago · posted in TV Shows

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.

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harshness

Today at 11:53 AM

Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:35 PM

harshness said:
Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.

Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...

Jimbo

Today at 8:14 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...

Me either ...
They turned out to be a Poor adversary ....

Foxbat

Today at 9:02 PM

They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"

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long_time_Dish

25 minutes ago

Foxbat said:
They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"

And too many episodes centering on/around them as well...

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JSheridan

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Last reply Today at 9:11 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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Foxbat

Sep 25, 2026

Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…

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Strega

Friday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

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Jimbo

Friday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

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Mister B

Yesterday at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:12 AM

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

Not many are watching.
Majority are watching the same shows in HD or 4K

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:37 PM

Foxbat said:
Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…

have charlie buy you a new house :biggrin

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telstar_1

Today at 8:46 PM

Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?

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Foxbat

Today at 8:53 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
have charlie buy you a new house

Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 9:11 PM

Foxbat said:
Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…

that would be one hell of a convo :biggrin

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 8:43 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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Strega

Wednesday at 6:21 PM

I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!

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Almighty1

Thursday at 8:53 PM

I remember this in the news too...

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.

www.nbcnews.com

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Bobby

Thursday at 9:21 PM

Almighty1 said:
I remember this in the news too...

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.

www.nbcnews.com

That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.

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SuperDish_Fan23

Friday at 4:24 PM

SuperDish_Fan23 said:
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff

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slow_poke_pete

Friday at 5:51 PM

SuperDish_Fan23 said:
Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wL6dsORmXg

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telstar_1

Friday at 5:58 PM

Slicker guides never did much for me

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Almighty1

Friday at 10:33 PM

Bobby said:
That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.

Good point as part of that time mentioned was before I was even alive.

While reports from the family's case focused entirely on the equipment rental charges, media records show that Ester Strogen originally started by paying $29.95 per quarter ($9.98 per month) in the 1960s for her combined telephone connection.
The actual base cost for standard residential telephone service over a 42-year period (spanning roughly 1964 to 2006) reveals how basic connection costs evolved compared to the equipment rental fees:

Historical Phone Service Rates

1960s – 1970s Base Rate: Standard local phone service was heavily subsidized and tightly regulated under the Bell System monopoly. A basic landline package with unlimited local calling typically cost between $5.00 and $10.00 per month.
1980s – 2000s Post-Deregulation Rate: Following the AT&T divestiture in 1984, base line service rates steadily climbed due to the introduction of subscriber line charges, touch-tone fees, and local infrastructure adjustments. By 2006, basic flat-rate local residential phone service hovered around $15.00 to $25.00 per month (excluding long-distance packages and taxes).

The True Lifetime Service Bill

Assuming an average baseline connection fee of roughly $12.00 a month over that 42-year span, the line connectivity itself would have realistically accumulated to approximately $6,000 in raw cash payouts.
When you bundle the actual service costs together with the escalating equipment rental fees, the total cumulative out-of-pocket phone expenses over those four decades easily crossed $12,000 to $14,000. Long-distance phone calls—which were billed entirely by the minute back then and could cost up to 15 to 30 cents per minute—would add significantly more to that historical total depending on usage.

The widely publicized calculation stems from a viral news story from 2006 involving a widow named Ester Strogen. Her family discovered she had been continuously leasing two rotary dial telephones from AT&T for 42 years.
The total cost—which actually came out to more than $14,000 by the time the lease was canceled—was calculated based on the following legacy telecom structure:

The Monthly Fee: At the time her granddaughters discovered the charges, the ongoing leasing fee was $29.10 per month for the two outdated phones.
The Math: Over 42 years (504 months), paying roughly $24 to $30 a month accumulates to between $12,000 and $14,600 ($29.10 × 504 months = $14,666.40).

Why did this happen?
Prior to the landmark breakup of AT&T ("Ma Bell") in 1984, consumers were legally not allowed to own their phones; they were required to lease them directly from the phone company.
When the laws changed and phone ownership became legal, AT&T spun off its rental division into a company called QLT Consumer Lease Services. Millions of customers, particularly elderly individuals who were used to seeing a single unified phone bill, simply never realized that the small recurring "equipment lease" line-item could be canceled by buying a cheap phone at a retail store.

Yes, leasing absolutely cost that much in reality, and the math is entirely accurate. However, the calculations performed by the family did contain one major historical nuance: they multiplied the final 2006 rate across all 42 years, which means the actual total cash paid out was likely a bit lower.
The original viral story focused on 82-year-old widow Ester Strogen from Canton, Ohio, who paid $29.10 a month for two black rotary phones until her family intervened in July 2006.
The reality behind how the cost reached that staggering total breaks down into two distinct phases:

Phase 1: The Historical Base Rate (1960s – 1984)

When Strogen first got the phones in the 1960s, renting was a legal mandate and cost a fraction of the 2006 price—usually just a few dollars a month.

The "Insurance" Mirage: In exchange for that fee, Ma Bell promised free, lifetime maintenance. If the phone broke, they replaced it instantly at no extra cost.
The Cost-Plus Reality: Because these solid-state phones were built like tanks out of heavy plastic and steel, they almost never broke. Consumers paid a continuous premium for decades for a repair service they rarely used.

Phase 2: The Deregulation Rate Hikes (1984 – 2006)

After AT&T was forced to break up its monopoly in 1984, the rental side of the business was shifted to Lucent Technologies and later a legacy holding company. To maximize profit off a shrinking customer base, they steadily increased the monthly rental fees over the next 20 years.

By 2006, the rental cost had quietly ballooned to roughly $14.55 per phone per month.
When the family discovered the $29.10 monthly charge, they looked back at the 42-year span and estimated the collective loss at over $14,000.

Even adjusted for historical inflation—where $2 a month in 1964 had the purchasing power of roughly $20 today—Ester Strogen and hundreds of thousands of other elderly Americans realistically paid thousands of dollars out-of-pocket for standard desk phones they could have purchased at retail for $10.

The exact out-of-pocket dollar amount Ester Strogen paid over those 42 years was never publicly determined, as neither AT&T nor the family had access to monthly billing records stretching all the way back to the 1960s.
The figures reported in the media are entirely mathematical estimates based on the 2006 rate. The two primary numbers used to define the "cost" are:

The Stated Media Total: More than $14,000.
The Exact Family Formula: $14,666.40. This was derived by taking her final recorded bill of $29.10 per month and multiplying it across the full 42 years (504 months).

What the True Cash Cost Likely Was

Because AT&T did not charge $29.10 a month back in 1964, the true historical cash sum she handed over was lower than $14,000. In the 1960s and 1970s, basic phone lease fees were generally bundled into standard service or itemized at just $1.00 to $2.00 a month per phone.
If we realistically assume she paid lower base rates for the first 20 years before the post-1984 deregulation price hikes took effect, a realistic estimate of the actual cash paid is between $5,000 and $7,000.

The Real Cost When Adjusted for Inflation

While the family's $14,000 calculation overestimates the raw cash paid, it actually underestimates the true economic damage when factoring in the time value of money.
Paying $2.00 a month for equipment in 1964 sounds minor, but due to severe inflation during the 1970s, those early single dollars had the purchasing power of roughly $20.00 each in 2006 terms. If you adjust every historical lower monthly payment upward to account for inflation, Ester Strogen realistically lost the equivalent of well over $15,000 in modern purchasing power by renting instead of buying.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:28 PM

telstar_1 said:
Slicker guides never did much for me

me either. sometimes it seems like things disappear when they start changing sh*t around :biggrin

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:43 PM

Strega said:
I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!

you would be better off looking in ca for a train wreck to nowhere :biggrin

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jcrandall

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 8:42 PM · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Channels on DIRECTV Satellite and not on Stream/Internet

So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.

MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.

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KyL416

Aug 3, 2026

WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.

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harshness

Oct 15, 2026

One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.

mario315

Friday at 11:55 PM

harshness said:
One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.

KyL416

Yesterday at 12:00 AM

WPLG/10 Miami is now available to stream customers

The CW stations WCWW/25 South Bend and WBKP/5 Marquette are testing on the stream server

Last week they also added a bunch of CW stations that are still not available to sat customers:
WETM-DT/19 Elmira
WJET-DT/25 Erie
KLFY-DT/11 Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 Utica
KFDX-DT/4 Wichita Falls

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mario315

Yesterday at 12:07 AM

Well, that was fast ! DTV Stream brought back WTCN's HD signal today.

I have to assume the station signing up a week ago as the Miami Heat affiliate here (to carry their games) did the trick. NBA magic !!!

Or the station engineer took care of the problem after hearing about it.

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darren_s

Today at 8:29 PM

KyL416 said:
WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.

Channel 28 Nashville hasn't been added so far, correct?

KyL416

Today at 8:42 PM

WNPX Nashville and WMYD Detroit were added to stream about 2 months ago.

They also now have PRDTRS/651 for those in Predators territory outside of the Nashville DMA and PISTONS/663-2 for those in Pistons territory outside of the Detroit DMA.

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TheForce

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Last reply Today at 8:32 PM · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.

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comfortably_numb

Oct 10, 2026

Can't remember if I've posted this yet..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 11:47 AM

If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:56 AM

Foxbat said:
No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter

And definitely no medieval chain armor!

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harshness

Today at 12:18 PM

comfortably_numb said:
medieval chain armor

Aka "mail" or "maille".

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Foxbat

Today at 7:05 PM

IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:31 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Can't remember if I've posted this yet..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU

most carriers do. that's why they send updates that slow phones down!! i buy unlocked phones no effect to me

slow_poke_pete

Today at 8:32 PM

Foxbat said:
IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

hope you have apple care a screen job is 1000.00

. can we say over priced garbage!!!

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meStevo

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Last reply Today at 8:17 PM · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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rvvaquero

Tuesday at 11:33 AM

Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.

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Yespage

Thursday at 9:15 AM

rvvaquero said:
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.

Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.

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b4pjoe

Thursday at 9:53 AM

Yespage said:
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.

Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.

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rvvaquero

Thursday at 11:50 AM

Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.

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meStevo

Thursday at 10:53 PM

View: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/2113438192913588676?s=20

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meStevo

Today at 8:17 PM

Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.

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