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I know we have numerous threads about Hopper+ with Joey4, but I thought this deserved a new one since it specifically does NOT include the Hopper+. If the mods think it should be in one of the other threads feel free to move it.
I just upgraded my (3) Joey 3's to Joey 4's. I retained my original Hopper3 and did NOT add the Hopper+. Just FYI -- Dish requires a Tech visit since there is some new ATV files that need to be downloaded to the H3. If you are a customer in good standing you can probably get the charge for the visit waived (I did), other than that there are no upgrade fees. Here are my quick thoughts so far (Tech just left about an hour ago).
PROS:
CONS:
Overall the upgrade is nice for the speed improvement, but I'm not sure I can recommend it because of the removal of some of the old features, as well as incompatibility with the 40.0 remotes. We'll see how my family likes them over the next few weeks and I'll report back.
I just upgraded my (3) Joey 3's to Joey 4's. I retained my original Hopper3 and did NOT add the Hopper+. Just FYI -- Dish requires a Tech visit since there is some new ATV files that need to be downloaded to the H3. If you are a customer in good standing you can probably get the charge for the visit waived (I did), other than that there are no upgrade fees. Here are my quick thoughts so far (Tech just left about an hour ago).
PROS:
- J4s are MUCH faster than the J3s, especially in the Guide.
- Text/image resolution in the menus is MUCH sharper.
- Picture quality seems to be slightly better as well.
- They have an option for PiP (but I haven't gotten it to work yet).
CONS:
- J4s only give you the Android menu as a start/home screen. There is no way to go the old start screen that had all the settings. There is also no way to change what the box does on startup (like Go To Last Channel or Go To Home Screen). So if you like the Android tiles you are fine, but without the H+ your H3 will still have the "old" menu (which my family likes better) while the J4s will have the Android menu. So could be some confusion within the household.
- There is no way to jump quickly to the old Settings menu. You need to scroll to the gear icon in the upper-right corner, then scroll through the dropdown on the right, then find the Device Preferences, then go to the correct dropdown to get to the full Settings screen.
- While the J4s have native bluetooth, you MUST turn it on and off. On the J3s I could have my BT speakers paired but turn the volume down/off at a switch on them, then use the TV volume. If I wanted to use the speakers I just turn their volume up and the TV volume down. With the J4 you must enter the BT menu (which takes more clicks than the old Settings menu due to point above), then Pair the BT accessory. When you are done you need to remember to Unpair or you won't get any volume out of the TV speakers.
- Some other settings are not even available anymore. You can't see/manage Caller ID history, you can't change screen format to add/remove borders on SD broadcasts, and some other minor settings are missing.
- The 40.0 remotes are NOT compatible!! This may not matter to some but may be a deal-breaker for others. You can get some of the functions to work, but major ones like the Menu button, Format button, and Cancel key do not work at all (and there are others like Page Up/Down in the Guide, misc). The Cancel one makes it impossible to back out of menus or DVR listings, and without PU/PD you can only scroll one line at a time in the Guide. So if you are okay with the 5x-series remotes you are good, but for those of us that love the 40-series it will be impossible to navigate some of the major menus.
Overall the upgrade is nice for the speed improvement, but I'm not sure I can recommend it because of the removal of some of the old features, as well as incompatibility with the 40.0 remotes. We'll see how my family likes them over the next few weeks and I'll report back.
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HaHa - sorry to clog up my own thread! 
Is anybody else seeing this from their J4's?:
When I first turn the TV on I just get a black screen. I can't do anything without hitting the Home button. Once I do that the Android home screen comes up, but if I select the Dish app to get to satellite TV nothing happens. Also if I hit the Back button from the Home screen nothing happens, and same with Channel Up/Down. Just puts me into a black screen with no info. The only way I can get to "regular" (SAT) TV is to hit the Dish app, then punch in a high channel number (like 120), then go back to whatever channel I want (many times it's our Local #8).
All 3 of my J4's are doing this so I don't think it's a problem with just 1 of the boxes. And it's with both remotes so it's not just an issue with using the 40's over the 54's ...
Is anybody else seeing this from their J4's?:
When I first turn the TV on I just get a black screen. I can't do anything without hitting the Home button. Once I do that the Android home screen comes up, but if I select the Dish app to get to satellite TV nothing happens. Also if I hit the Back button from the Home screen nothing happens, and same with Channel Up/Down. Just puts me into a black screen with no info. The only way I can get to "regular" (SAT) TV is to hit the Dish app, then punch in a high channel number (like 120), then go back to whatever channel I want (many times it's our Local #8).
All 3 of my J4's are doing this so I don't think it's a problem with just 1 of the boxes. And it's with both remotes so it's not just an issue with using the 40's over the 54's ...
Does the Home screen come up when you turn the TV on or is it just complete black screen?HaHa - sorry to clog up my own thread!
Is anybody else seeing this from their J4's?:
When I first turn the TV on I just get a black screen. I can't do anything without hitting the Home button. Once I do that the Android home screen comes up, but if I select the Dish app to get to satellite TV nothing happens. Also if I hit the Back button from the Home screen nothing happens, and same with Channel Up/Down. Just puts me into a black screen with no info. The only way I can get to "regular" (SAT) TV is to hit the Dish app, then punch in a high channel number (like 120), then go back to whatever channel I want (many times it's our Local #8).
All 3 of my J4's are doing this so I don't think it's a problem with just 1 of the boxes. And it's with both remotes so it's not just an issue with using the 40's over the 54's ...
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke 
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Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango
The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.
The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
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I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy
Ethanol Free Stations
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Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:
Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...
We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.
Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)
Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"
So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.
So again - I ask you ...
What's for dinner tonight ?
Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.
What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.
Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)
Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"
So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.
So again - I ask you ...
What's for dinner tonight ?
Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.
What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 
As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
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America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot
New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives
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The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.
It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.
So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.
US EV sales are rising again. Here’s why the recovery is set to last.
Even though sales tanked last year after the end of federal incentives, the American EV sector is on the mend as drivers face sky-high gasoline prices.
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Time for another AWESOME video from Ham Radio 2.0!
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll callThey ought to have fun with this…