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Stuart Sweet
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Because marketing that's why.

Before I get any further into this article, let me explain something. There's no law in the US that defines what "3G," "4G," or "5G" even mean. There's no law stopping you from advertising a cell phone that gets 100G if you wanted to. The only law that really governs any of this stuff is the law that says you have to deliver what you promise to deliver. There's nothing about misleading names. Got it? Let's dive into what's really going on then.

What is a "G" anyway?


The first cellular network in this country was built in the 1970s. Before that point, there were phones you could put in your car, but they were really just two-way radios. You'd contact a mobile operator who would place the call for you. The real breakthrough came in the idea that you could place the call yourself, and that a network of radio towers would cooperate so you'd always stay connected.

Back then, they didn't call that "1G." But it basically was. The idea of using the letter "G" to talk about cell service really didn't surface until the early 2000s. Before that, a combination of confusing acronyms tried to explain what was going on. The cellular system was growing quickly, and in the US there were a lot of competing standards out there promising the same thing in different ways.

By the turn of the century, the state of the art was something rather clunkily called "GSM with GPRS." This was the first digital system in the US that let you send data. It didn't let you send a lot of it, but it was at least possible. Understanding that in the 21st century people would want data on their phones as much as voice calls, a group of international scientists started working together.

In 1998, they formed something called the "3rd Generation Partnership Project," or 3GPP for short. Their goal was the complete reworking of the cellular networks around the world to support more data. The set of standards the came up with was called "3G" and almost instantly people started calling GSM with GPRS "2G" in contrast.

Then the marketing people got involved.


People loved 3G. The smartphone wars of the late 2000s were all about which phone would support 3G. The iPhone was actually one of the later ones to support the standard in the US because of AT&T's slow rollout of 3G service.

Marketers noticed two things. First, that people wanted 3G. Second, that there was no law stopping them from calling something "4G." By 2010, cell providers had made some improvements to the way 3G worked and started calling it 4G.

By this time though, the 3GPP (which to this day still stubbornly refuses to change its name) had come up with its own standards for real 4G. They then moved on to focus on a new technology. Given their penchant for clunky names, it's no surprise that it was called the "Long Term Evolution of the Global System for Mobile communications." When it was finally implemented in the US, it was referred to as "LTE."

5G was another reboot of the whole thing


5G was created by the 3GPP and other bodies as a total reboot of the cell phone system. Its goal was to put data first and voice second, and it does that. The lofty goals of 5G have, so far, been impossible to implement nationwide, but there are pockets of the country where you can actually get 600-800 megabits per second from your phone.

But, none of this explains Xfinity 10G. So let's talk about that.


Xfinity is, of course, one of the larger internet providers in the country. While internet service in the US lagged behind other countries for many years, the last 5-6 years have seen real growth in internet speeds. Today it's quite common for regular homes to have service rated for a max speed of 300 megabits per second. Only a decade ago, that speed was reserved for large data centers.

Note that I say "rated for." Because it's true, you may get a speed test of 300Mbps, but your real world speeds probably won't be higher than 60 or 70. That's because the real key to advertising these faster speeds is hoping that everyone won't use the thing at the same time. Each neighborhood has a maximum speed limit, and once it's reached the individual users start seeing a slowdown. Realistically this happens almost 100% of the time now.

Xfinity has reworked their in-home hardware so that instead of a max speed of 300 megabits per second, you can theoretically reach 10,000 megabits per second (or 10 gigabits per second, that's just another way of saying the same thing.) You will absolutely never get this speed in a real world application, but theoretically you could.

They know a G isn't a G but they hope you don't.


There is absolutely no correlation between Xfinity's 10 gigabit service (which they advertise as 10G) and fifth generation cellular service (which is commonly called 5G.) But they hope you don't know that. They hope you see a commercial for 10G and say "hey, that's got to be twice as good as 5G." But one thing is a home internet service and the other is a cell service. Still, it's good marketing, and as I said, it's not illegal to do it.

But do you really want to work with a company that does stuff like that?


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Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
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If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.
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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.
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Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.