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Bruce

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Last reply Jun 12, 2023 · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Average U.S. consumer pays $1,600 annually for Cable/Satellite TV

Cable TV Subscribers Pay $1,618 a Year for Channels (and Ads) They Don’t Watch

The average U.S. consumer pays $1,600 annually for 190 channels—but only watches 15. Here's what that's bad news for advertisers.

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Highlights-

The average U.S. consumer pays $1,600 annually for cable TV channels they don't watch, if you make $50,000 a year, that is 3% of your gross income
These audiences typically have access to 190 channels but only watch 15, I watch maybe 10 at most, most very part time, example, only watch Big Ten Channel during Football Season.
Meanwhile, the cable bill has grown 52% in the last three years—speeding up cord-cutting, now expected to lose 7-8 million subscribers this year.
4 out of 5 linear TV customers wish they could pay for just the channels they watch, similar to the streaming model, hence why I am giving up YTTV at the end of the year, tired of paying for stuff I never watch.

then this-

I hate charts like this because the numbers are always wrong and they include streaming services that are not a replacement for Cable/Sat TV, but are a extra

This is what I consider the closest to a Cable replacement, all commercial free
Peacock-$10 (NBC/Universal Cable Channels)
Hulu with Disney/ESPN+ $20 (ABC/FOX and all their cable Channels)
Paramount+ with Showtime $10 , I pay yearly, so average is that amount ( CBS and Viacom Channels )
HBO/MAX $20 ( which includes Discovery, Warner Cable Channels Content)
AMC+ $8

So if you want to replace Cable TV and also get the exclusive content, that is only $68 a month, a savings of $79 based on that chart.
If you want to go cheaper, get the commercial versions, or do not get all of the above, AMC and MAX I will not be getting this year, so a savings of $28 more dollars a month.

Then if you want to add Netflix, Prime and Apple, which would be a extra if you are a cord cutter or Cable/Sat TV subscriber, that is $38 a month more

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dishdude

Jun 7, 2023

That's insane, I can't imagine paying $147 for cable.

And no need to sub to all of those streaming services at once, rotate them out. Sub to one, binge watch and move on to the next one.

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comfortably_numb

Jun 7, 2023

dishdude said:
I can't imagine paying $147 for cable

I'm willing to bet it's mostly older people, like my parents, who absolutely have to have their "clicker" remote with DVR and the traditional channel packages. They just can't adapt to a different model, so they'll pay whatever the cableco asks.

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ncted

Jun 7, 2023

comfortably_numb said:
I'm willing to be it's mostly older people, like my parents, who absolutely have to have their "clicker" remote with DVR and the traditional channel packages. They just can't adapt to a different model, so they'll pay whatever the cableco asks.

Yeah. I've tried and tried with my parents, but it just ain't happening. I think it bugs me a lot more that they are overpaying than it does them. They also pay for post-paid Verizon wireless which is ridiculous for what you get, but they don't want to hear about other options which would save them money.

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comfortably_numb

Jun 7, 2023

ncted said:
They also pay for post-paid Verizon wireless which is ridiculous for what you get, but they don't want to hear about other options which would save them money.

I convinced them to move to Verizon prepaid since they have used (paid off) phones. That was a much easier battle.

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MikeD-C05

Jun 12, 2023

So the Cord Cutters video on You tube yesterday. HE says that Cable penetration will be down to 1970s levels by 2025. They expect over 72% of Cable /Satellite viewers will cut the cable. He did say that satellite might last a bit longer because it is still used in rural areas and in R.V.s etc. But with broadband expanding over the rural areas in the coming years, you can see this advantage waning with time.

Bruce

Jun 12, 2023

MikeD-C05 said:
So the Cord Cutters video on You tube yesterday. HE says that Cable penetration will be down to 1970s levels by 2025. They expect over 72% of Cable /Satellite viewers will cut the cable. He did say that satellite might last a bit longer because it is still used in rural areas and in R.V.s etc. But with broadband expanding over the rural areas in the coming years, you can see this advantage waning with time.

If you do the math, there is not that many rural satellite subscribers.

If you google how many rural households in the United States, the common answer is 20 Million, yet there is only about 9 Million DirecTV Satellite Subs, 7 Million Dish Subs, that is only 16 Million.

So even if we did a 60% Metro / 40% Rural for Sat. Subs, that is only 6.4 Million Rural Households.

So either a lot more rural homes get broadband now or they just do not care about Sat. TV.

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navychop

Jun 12, 2023

Or something new and compelling comes out.

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Bruce

Jun 12, 2023

navychop said:
Or something new and compelling comes out.

For Rural Areas, not many options-Satellite, Antenna, Physical Media and if lucky…….Cable/Broadband.

As I have written before, where my house is, it is considered rural with land, septic, well and lots of farm land that is disappearing.

When we moved here in 2020, found out this area did not get it until 2018, back in Metro Detroit, had broadband since the late 90's

And cell service sucks here, so no 5G options, always have my phone in wi-fi calling mode.

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Apple Intelligence: Siri AI Revolutionizes Your Devices! #shorts

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teachtom

59 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Problem when I switch from Bonus View channels back to regular Dish channels

Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

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dfergie

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Last reply Today at 2:19 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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TRG

Monday at 3:34 PM

Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.

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dfergie

Monday at 4:27 PM

TRG said:
Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.

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Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...
Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.

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TRG

Monday at 4:50 PM

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Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...
Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.

I've been retired since October. It was very strange at first. But I'm loving it now.

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TRG

Yesterday at 4:11 PM

Creamy flat chicken enchiladas with green chile, beans and rice.

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Today at 2:19 PM

I had a very unusual but delicious 1/4lb hotdog with cream cheese, raspberry preserves and chopped Hatch green chile. It is an unlikely combination but it works.

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N5XZS

Last reply Today at 2:08 PM · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

New low power station with CP has been granted. "Albuquerque "

New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.

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N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:51 PM

Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 4:54 PM

N5XZS said:
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station.

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet

N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:59 PM

Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it.

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comfortably_numb

Today at 1:35 AM

According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

FCC Info is a Radio and Television Station Search Engine provided by Cavell, Mertz & Associates, Inc.

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primestar31

Today at 2:08 PM

comfortably_numb said:
According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

FCC Info is a Radio and Television Station Search Engine provided by Cavell, Mertz & Associates, Inc.

www.fccinfo.com

Many of these in my DMA are on cell towers, so don't always reach very far because the towers aren't very high.

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zippyfrog

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 1:28 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

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zippyfrog

Today at 11:29 AM

However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

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telstar_1

Today at 11:45 AM

Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

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zippyfrog

Today at 12:34 PM

telstar_1 said:
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:11 PM

These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.

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telstar_1

Today at 1:28 PM

Does cable charge box rent?

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 1:16 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Satellite now under 5 Million subscribers/Sling under 2 Million.

With the 1st Quarter Report just released, Dish lost another 180,000, now at 4.84 Million.

Sling now at 1.79 million subscribers, down approximately 190,000.

For comparison, YouTube TV now has about double the subscribers of Dish and Sling combined.

DISH & Sling TV Lost Over 366,000 TV Subscribers In Just 3 Months | Cord Cutters News

EchoStar Corporation, the owner of the DISH Network satellite television service and the Sling TV streaming platform, continued to experience steep declines in its pay-television customer base during the first three months of 2026. The company reported a net loss of approximately 366,000 pay-TV...

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fmj77

May 11, 2026

I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

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Bruce

May 11, 2026

fmj77 said:
I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

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Yespage

May 18, 2026

$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

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telstar_1

Jun 2, 2026

I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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tsunami2311

Friday at 11:03 PM

Yespage said:
$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

1gbit up and down here from att start out great was suppose to be $60 for life of service, with years time it went back up to $80 I complained about they gave us $49 for year which about to end, I Wonder what prices will be when it "up" I in no way like ATT fiber service there DNS that are hardcode and unchange able in the router are some WORSE DNS I ever used. you know how much of pain it is to change DNS setting on EVERY single wireless device...

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mwdxer1

Saturday at 3:08 AM

Bruce said:
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

I dropped Dish a couple years back after having them for 25 years. The pricing got higher and after we got high speed internet, I watched it less and less. It got to the point all I watched was TCM for classic movies. Many of them are on You Tube now and a Premium subscription is $14 a month. A far cry of the $100 a month was paying with AT180, Supers, and locals. I get locals OTA anyway. I took down the dish several months ago and tossed it. I owned all my my equipment, so nothing to return. Do I miss a traditional cable type service? No way. If I want one I have all of the free live streaming with Roku, the Fire Stick, as well as Google TV. Right now as I type this, I am watching episodes of "The Midnight Special" from 1976 on You Tube, ad free. Dish was fine for many years. I do not regret buying the equipment and installing it myself (No installers in 1999). I enjoyed Dish for many years. My thoughts, Dish & Direct will be forced to merge in time, or they both will be gone. Even cable companies are getting out of TV. Some are only selling the internet and phone packages.

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tanman

Sunday at 12:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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nelson61

Monday at 8:20 PM

A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:16 PM

nelson61 said:
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

In my area we get 2 news feeds spread over 4 local stations.
ABC/NBC (TEGNA)
Same news cast simulcast over both channels.

CBS/Fox (Sinclair)
Same news casters at 5pm, 6pm, 10pm.
Fox shows an hour at 9pm but same news casters.

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