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Stuart Sweet
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About 18 months ago I got my first TV with Dolby Vision. It's not that I wanted to wait so long (it's been around since 2014) but I tend to keep my TVs a while. The last time I replaced a big one, Dolby Vision was still expensive and largely unsupported. It took me a while to wrap my head around the technology, and when I did, I complained about it. You can read that complaint here. My biggest complaint is that it didn't seem very well implemented. Most Dolby Vision content works best in a darkened room but most people watch TV in a decently lit room. An update to Dolby Vision, called Dolby Vision IQ, helps with that problem but it's not very common as I write this in 2023.

The biggest problem with Dolby Vision, and other HDR formats, is that the picture seems darker and duller than it should. The reason behind this makes sense, but it's still not completely satisfying. There are three reasons, actually. One is, well, sort of OK, one is is a little annoying and one, well, is a little insulting. Let me explain.

Reason one: TV calibration


Folks, I've been calibrating TVs for home theater for about 35 years, a little more actually. Back when I used to do it, it involved bringing a 3/4″ video tape player and a special tape bought from the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers. It's gotten a bit easier since then. Calibration involves changing settings like brightness, contrast, etc. so they conform to established standards.

Back in the 1980s, I thought all TVs should be calibrated. And to some degree, I still think I was right. Those standard-definition tube TVs couldn't show as many colors as today's TVs, and it was important to get as much quality as possible out of them. But, as my eyes (and the rest of me) aged, I came to a very important conclusion. Calibration works best if you're young. As your eyes age, you can't see as many colors. You lose the ability to see darker colors, and overall your perception becomes more yellow. TV calibration does nothing to compensate for this, and so a TV that looks perfect to a 26-year-old may not look perfect to a 66-year-old.

Dolby Vision is, essentially, factory-supplied calibration. The manufacturer does all the work and the testing and builds in the settings needed so that everything looks consistent. LCD panels, used in most TVs, don't age the same way that tube TVs did, so the calibration works for a longer time.

The problem is that as you get older, you might actually want that TV to be brighter than "factory calibration." You might also want the colors to be purer. This will help you see the picture the factory intended, using the eyes you actually have. Dolby Vision doesn't account for that. So, if you're used to having a bright TV, a calibrated picture will seem dim. It's more "accurate" but it won't feel like that to you.

Reason two: Some companies don't know how to do it


You may have noticed that your Dolby Vision or HDR problems are worse on some apps than others. I've sure noticed that, and I wrote an article about it here. Apparently the way videos are encoded on different services can cause issues with HDR. This is a big deal because it can be hard to turn HDR off in some cases.

It seems that Hulu is using an older implementation of the HDR standard and potentially driving its content intentionally to the dark side as it's encoded. I don't know why they do this, especially since their sister app, Disney, has one of the best Dolby Vision implementations.

Eventually, this particular reason will stop being important. The smart money is on Hulu folding itself into Disney+ in the next few years and then the problem will probably go away.

Reason three: You're a cheap so-and-so


OK, that's harsh. But it's also not wrong. I bought a 27″ reference-quality TV in the 1980s. It cost me about $700. That amount of money is equivalent to $1,800 now. Yet you wouldn't pay that amount of money for a 27″ TV today. If you were to pay $1,800 you would want a 70″ or larger TV that beats the pants off the old one. The electronics industry has trained us that TVs get cheaper and better every year. The problem is, sometimes that's hard to pull off.

Today you can get a 50″ TV with Dolby Vision and a lot of other bells and whistles for about $500. (That's the equivalent of $180 in the late 1980s, which is less than I paid for a cassette deck.) In order to get the price down that low, there need to be some compromises. One of those compromises is the reason that your TV looks dim when it's in HDR or Dolby Vision mode.

The HDR standards are pretty flexible in the way they can be implemented. This is on purpose, as it allows more manufacturers to call their TV's "HDR" when they aren't up to the top level of quality. Depending on the TV technology, a TV can call itself HDR if it can output as few as 500 nits. (What's a nit? It's a unit of brightness. That's all you need to know really.)

If a TV doesn't have enough peak brightness to really blow you away with how bright it is, the other option for meeting the HDR standard is to make sure the TV can show stuff that's really dark. However, in order to meet that standard, the TV's brightness has to be set lower than you might want to set it. While this is technically more accurate, it also has the effect of making everything seem dull.

If your TV could output 2,000 nits, the midpoint of that curve would be bright enough that it wouldn't be a problem for you. But that would take a much more expensive TV. And you, consumer that you are, won't pay for it. That's the bottom line.

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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

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CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.
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That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
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If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.
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Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.