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Stuart Sweet
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Last reply · posted in The Solid Signal Blog
It's an interesting question, right? Now, I'm sure there would be a lot of variables to consider, but if you could pay once and get lifetime satellite service, would you do it?

Reaching the limits of the subscription model


Let's look back 50 years to 1973. If you wanted TV, chances are you got it from an antenna. You bought the antenna, with nothing more to pay after that. If you wanted to listen to music, you bought a record or an 8-track. You legitimately owned that music, you could play it as many times as you wanted with nothing more to pay. Want to play a game? To the extent that video games existed, they were a fixed purchase. Buy a Pong or Odyssey system and it was yours forever. Back then, the only things you paid for monthly were print media (newspapers, magazines, etc.) and your telephone service.

A lot of people have told me that they'd love to go back to that model if they could. When you compare that world of 1973 to the world of today, it's quite different. You pay monthly for your TV, whether it's cable, satellite, or streaming. You pay monthly for a streaming music service. Chances are that if you're a gamer you're paying for Playstation Plus or Xbox Game Pass. It's all monthly charges now. Sure, you can avoid some of them if you try. Buy media on DVD or Blu-ray disc. Buy CD or download music from iTunes. Buy games when they come out. It's not clear whether you're actually saving money, and subscriptions just seem easier.

Subscriptions are easier, until you unsubscribe


If you stop paying for TV, music, and games, you lose access to them. Simple as that. You're back to going to the library and checking out books. I love libraries, but let's be honest that's not the same experience, right?

It's only when you start unsubscribing that you remember how much you're missing. As I said, you can get some stuff on physical media. But when it comes to live TV, you have two options. Go back to over-the-air antenna, which is a great choice. (Shameless plug: buy an antenna from Solid Signal.) Or, pay for some sort of subscription TV. What if there were a third option?

The likely cost of lifetime


When it comes to pay-TV, there are all sorts of equations that govern how long it takes to profit from you as a subscriber. Both cable and satellite will lease or rent you equipment at a loss. Typically, it's said that it takes about 14 months to recoup the investment in equipment and installation. That's one reason why most pay TV companies offer you contracts. It's so they can feel confident about fronting you the equipment.

On the other hand, the average pay-TV customer stays with a company for about 5 years. It's different for every company. DIRECTV claims to have the most loyal customers. I believe them. On the other hand, it seems like people generally try to cancel Spectrum within a couple of months of starting. But let's say that we're talking about 5 years of service, and let's say you're paying the average rate of $110 a month. That means the "gross" value of your time with a pay-TV company is $6,600. Take out things like commissions, equipment costs, content costs, etc., and it's much lower. But that's not important right now.

Would you pay $6,600 for lifetime pay-TV?


Not everyone has $6,600 laying around. Financing seems to defeat the purpose of paying once. But if you had the money, would you spend it that way? You'd have to stay with your pay-TV company for five years to pay for it. I've been with satellite TV for over 20 years and I know people who have been with them since the very beginning in the early 1990s. For those folks, it would have penciled out long ago.

But what about you? I'm curious what you would do if you could. Let's say you had $6,600 lying around and they offered you lifetime service for that price. Would you do it? Or are you happy with a subscription model that lets you leave at any time once your contract term is up? Different strokes for different folks to be sure, so let's get the conversation started!


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Juan
I still have lifetime Sirius service( now sirius-xm)

$299
harshness
With the end of DBS coming into reasonably clear view, it is much too late to be asking this question.

SARS will likely be with us for a while unless they get greedy.

I liken this to the future of TiVo where if the modulation formats and DRM doesn't get them first, the lack of interest in their products will.
dfergie
I did once back when by buying a C-band dish, but then HBO scrambled and the rest followed... ;). D* sub from 90's, E* from early 2k's, probably wouldn't pay that much now unless equipment was updated regularly free.
Radioguy41
The only thing I'd buy "Lifetime" is a fishing license. Everything else is nebulous. Look at baseball teams like the Phillies, for instance. About 5 years ago they signed a 20+ year TV rights agreement with Comcast and now MLB is scrambling trying to figure out how to fund the future as entities like Bally start going under and rumors start to persist about Comcast difficulties as cable subs dissipate.
Jimbo
I still have lifetime Sirius service( now sirius-xm)

$299
You got SiriusXM Lifetime for $300 ?
Wish I had seen THAT offer, would have jumped on that regardless.
Juan
You got SiriusXM Lifetime for $300 ?
Wish I had seen THAT offer, would have jumped on that regardless.
Before Howard Stern...I think it was cheaper than that when they first launched
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Garlic cheese bread
Green beans
Apples
Chocolate Milk
Some weird noodles. ;)
(They have salad and a couple other fruits if wanted)
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Club sandwich and corn chowder. Iced tea.
dfergie
Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)
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Leftover wanton soup and pork fried rice. Water.
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Sweet tea…
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I Wanna Talk About Me - Toby Keith
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98.6 - Keith
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I'm Easy - Keith Carridine
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It's Easy - Boston
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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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arlo
A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.
dishstaller
That's all I got.
That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks
TRG
TRG
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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b4pjoe
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
harshness
If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.
dishstaller
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dishstaller
Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

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Jimbo
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.
dishstaller
Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.