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Stuart Sweet
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· posted in The Solid Signal Blog
I know it's an incredibly geeky thing. But I actually get kind of nostalgic when I see older user interfaces. There's something incredibly cool, I think, about the Windows 3.0/3.1 interface. This is the one I'm talking about:

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Keep in mind that the designers of this UI had only 640×480 to work with. That's less resolution than there is in a single icon on your phone. Yet, they not only managed to convey all the information you needed, they even gave a 3D effect to the buttons. For someone who didn't know what was clickable and what wasn't, this was incredibly important.

By the mid-2000s we start to see icons becoming really important designs. The first icons for Macintosh are still works of art, because they're so clear with so little data. But they don't really reach the design level that you see in corporate logos. I'd argue that the first icon to do that was this one:

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This was one of the original icons for Microsoft Internet Explorer. It comes from 1996 and it's so well executed that it still reads well today. It's an E for explorer, with something orbiting the world. Even if you didn't know it was internet software you might be able to guess. That's the mark of a good logo. In later years, it would suffer from an excess of 2010s special effects, looking like this by the time Windows Vista came a decade later:

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Still it retained enough visual identity that all that extra shine didn't hurt it. The logo remained until the end of Internet Explorer's life, when it was replaced by the first generation of the Edge logo, which deliberately calls back to the original Internet Explorer logo:

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Arguably it's not as good of a design, but the first generation of Edge wasn't that good either.

I'm not the only person who thinks this way


I ran across this essay on howtogeek, which traces the history of web browsers using their familiar icons. You can see how visual design went from extremely simple, driven by the limits of technology, to unnecessarily shiny and 3D, back to mostly simple. And now, where we are with icon design is that there's a lot of very subtle depth to the icons you use every day, but it doesn't register. Instead you just get an impression of overall quality. That's the sign of a well-crafted logo or icon. You shouldn't need to break it down in order to understand what it's all about.

A few that were left behind


I find it interesting that there are two logos from the early days that were not represented. The first is the original NCSA Mosaic logo.

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What you see here is one of the very first web browser icons. It sorts of hits you in the head with what it does. It takes you all over the world from point to point. It's not a great logo. At the time it was created, colors were very limited and resolution was low. but that's not really the issue. The issue is that it's a little too on-the-nose and it looks like an "S" which doesn't really have anything to do with the internet.

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I'd argue that this logo should have been included, though. It's from Netscape, the first browser most people used in the 1990s. Netscape was a retail version of Mosaic and it was the first entry people got into the internet if they tried it before Microsoft's utter takeover of the browser market. It's also a very decent logo. There's a subtle curve indicating the world, and the lower part of the "N" is hidden giving some dimension. It's a good thing this was a good logo too, because at dialup speeds, you ended up looking at it a lot. As you can see from this screenshot, it sat at the upper right of the window and animated as you waited for your data to arrive.

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The timeless logos of 2023


Are there any? Will we look fondly back at the oddly balanced "F" of Facebook or the recently introduced "cheese slicer X" of the former Twitter? Time alone will tell, but I rather doubt it.

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dfergie
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Club sandwich and corn chowder. Iced tea.
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Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)
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Leftover wanton soup and pork fried rice. Water.
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Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I Wanna Talk About Me - Toby Keith
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I'm Easy - Keith Carridine
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It's Easy - Boston
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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band
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Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.
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That's all I got.
That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
harshness
If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.
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Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.