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Stuart Sweet
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Longtime readers of this blog will tell you that I'm not very optimistic about ATSC 3.0, or NextGen TV as it is also known. While I think we all like the idea of adding 4K and advanced services to over-the-air TV, it just seems to be too hard to do. (You can read several years of rants about this subject here.) The latest proof of this comes from TV maker LG. The company has recently announced that they are removing ATSC 3.0 support from their televisions, at least for now. It's a bit of a spiteful move, but it shows the headwinds that ATSC 3.0 still faces.

A (very) quick primer about ATSC 3.0


This isn't intended to be a deep dive into what ATSC 3.0 is, or isn't; you can read my many articles on the subject. But, it's important to know some of the highlights (lowlights?) of this latest technology. That way you can understand why what LG did is so devastating.

Today's television standard, called ATSC 1.0, was developed in the 1990s with a pure and true purpose. The goal wasn't just to offer better picture quality, but to offer more choice and more opportunity. Using digital technology allows broadcasters to multiplex. In other words, they could offer more than one video stream on the same broadcast channel. So, they could offer educational programs, special-interest programs, and even foreign-language programs that would be too expensive to broadcast otherwise.

Two decades later, ATSC 3.0 was proposed as a way to incorporate advanced features like 4K, on-demand, and interactive programs. It wasn't done to make TV better for regular folks, although that's how it was pitched. ATSC 3.0 is all about making big companies richer, something they don't exactly deny. It's about serving you ads that are tailored to you, the same way that YouTube and ad-supported streaming services do. If it ends up being better quality or more diverse, that's just a nice coincidence.

Why ATSC 3.0 has taken so long, and why we're not there yet


Broadcast channels are regulated by the US government with the aim of making sure they serve the public's interest. There are tons of laws that govern broadcasting, and they're always being interpreted in different ways. In order to help move ATSC 3.0 along, the FCC said in 2017 that broadcasters could have test ATSC 3.0 channels as long as the content on those channels was 100% the same as the regular channels. So in other words, no 4K, no addressable advertising, none of the stuff that the big companies really wanted.

By 2020, though, a lot of cities were primed to get ATSC 3.0 test broadcasts. And then, well, you don't need me to tell you what happened in 2020. This set things back about two years, and by then the FCC's order allowing testing was about to expire. Finally, everything is in place to allow more testing to happen. The goal is to maybe, possibly, allow 4K television and advanced features maybe in 2027.

Cut to today, and why ATSC 3.0 is shooting itself in both feet


ATSC 3.0 was already in pretty deep trouble before this week. Broadcasters are so afraid that someone will pirate their content that they've built advanced encryption into the ATSC 3.0 standard. But, that encryption wasn't exactly ready in 2017. It's only been in the last few months that we've seen these signals getting encrypted. That means that all the ATSC 3.0 televisions and converter boxes made before now are all obsolete. A few companies have promised to upgrade their hardware for free, but if you bought an ATSC 3.0-equipped television in 2021, it won't get those broadcasts. Ever.

And now, it looks like things are getting worse. LG Electronics, one of the world's largest TV makers, has said they will no longer feature ATSC 3.0 decoding in any TV moving forward. Why? Because they lost a patent lawsuit that would cost them about $7 per TV moving forward. I'm not quite sure why they didn't think people would just pay $7 more, but whatever. This purely spiteful move makes it very hard to root for ATSC 3.0 adoption anytime soon. Chances are, they'll change their minds, but it just sets ATSC 3.0 that much further back.

The outlook for ATSC 3.0 in 2024


Every year, I write some variant of an article that asks, "will this finally be the year that ATSC 3.0 breaks out?" And then, nothing big happens and the industry still congratulates itself on some minuscule achievement. The real question still remains whether or not we will ever truly see ATSC 3.0 as the actual broadcast standard for the USA. In order for that to happen, Congress would have to agree on a plan to phase out ATSC 1.0 and allow ATSC 3.0 to offer unique services that ATSC 1.0 can't.

Without getting too political, it seems like depending on Congress to do anything that will save you is a bad business model. One side may believe that this sort of change is necessary to preserve broadcasting's business model. The other side may believe that the new tech doesn't do enough to serve the public. I, your humble writer, am not going to weigh in on this argument. I'll just bring up what happened in the past.

In the mid-2000s, the US government authorized a ton of money to allow people to buy converter boxes to let them use their old televisions. Even with that, the transition took about three years to complete. Flashing forward, if something like that were to actually get through Congress when it needed to, after the 2027 testing period ended, we would be looking at an end to the transition sometime about 2030. And folks, that's a best-case scenario.

That's why I'm less-than-bullish about the outlook for ATSC 3.0 in 2024. It's hard to be optimistic when you look at the facts.

Ending on some good news


Here's the good news. ATSC 3.0 is a broadcast technology. That's all it is. The broadcast signal itself isn't really any different from ATSC 1.0. That means that you can buy an antenna today from Solid Signal and know that it will work today and tomorrow. If ATSC 3.0 ever happens, your antenna will keep working. Period.

If you don't know which antenna you need, call us! We have experts on hand who can help you choose the right antenna for your situation. We're here during East Coast business hours at 888-233-7563. If it's after hours, fill out the form below.


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navychop
It isn't the $7. It's the NEXT $7, and the one after that, etc. Who knows how many more patents were "overlooked" and others are preparing to come forward with outstretched hands?
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harshness
The broadcast signal itself isn't really any different from ATSC 1.0.
The modulation is different enough to make reliable reception a much more likely proposition. Without that, reception is likely to remain so-so no matter how good your antenna setup is. The repacks have seen to that.
FTA4PA
ATSC 3.0 was proposed as a way to incorporate advanced features like 4K, on-demand, and interactive programs. It wasn't done to make TV better for regular folks, although that's how it was pitched. ATSC 3.0 is all about making big companies richer, something they don't exactly deny. It's about serving you ads that are tailored to you, the same way that YouTube and ad-supported streaming services do. If it ends up being better quality or more diverse, that's just a nice coincidence.

This one paragraph describes ATSC 3.0 in a nutshell. In my opinion this was always a money grab and never about us. I had hoped (foolishly) in the beginning that was not the case but over the years it has become a glaring reality. Sad but true. I no longer hold out hope for the 'improvements' that were promised and would be more than happy to stick with what we have now. At least I don't have to kiss someone's a$$ to get that. :(
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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dishstaller
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. :eek

Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.

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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I'm Easy - Keith Carridine
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It's Easy - Boston
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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band
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Take It Easy - The Eagles
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DIRECTV Stream/Internet added Ch 4105 SportsGrid
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Now live:
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Now live:
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Game Show Central is now live on channel 4342
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Now live:
4101 Yahoo! Sports Network
4121 DP World Tour
4195 F1 Channel
4196 MotoGP Channel
It only took them 41 days to announce it
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Now testing:
AyM Sports 3 USA
Best Bets TV powered by VSiN
CBS Sports Golazo Network
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dfergie
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Club sandwich and corn chowder. Iced tea.
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Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)
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Leftover wanton soup and pork fried rice. Water.
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Sweet tea…
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Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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arlo
A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.
dishstaller
That's all I got.
That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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b4pjoe
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
harshness
If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.