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Received this e-mail 3 days ago... At the bottom, it says limited to one Multi-view session per household. How does it work if someone had Hopper 3, Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Wired Joey 4 and a Wireless Joey 4 for example? Can they all do Multi-view session at the same time?

Almighty1 said:

Received this e-mail 3 days ago... At the bottom, it says limited to one Multi-view session per household. How does it work if someone had Hopper 3, Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Wired Joey 4 and a Wireless Joey 4 for example? Can they all do Multi-view session at the same time?

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I have all them there models. I know for sure they all have multi-view, but I have not tried them all out at the same time. Wife has the H3+ in use right now. I will try it out tomorrow & report back.

Seems confusing; 4k Joey does 4k but Joey 4 does not...

telstar_1 said:

Seems confusing; 4k Joey does 4k but Joey 4 does not...

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It's pretty much the reverse of that.

My 4K Joey has played 4K, just not 4K HDR.

charlesrshell said:

I have all them there models. I know for sure they all have multi-view, but I have not tried them all out at the same time. Wife has the H3+ in use right now. I will try it out tomorrow & report back.

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I tried out multi-view on my Hopper 3, Joey 4, and Wireless Joey 4 at the same time. H3 multi-view works good but not the Joeys. Only one Joey works at a time (see pic). Also, the Joey's multi-view is not working this morning. It starts out multi-view but then goes out of multi-view mode. It worked yesterday. Did not test my Hopper 3 Plus. Wife is using it again.

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I just got notice of my July bill, going up by over $60.
Probably my 2 year just lapsed.

Sent an email to my dish contact. Hopefully he can get it back down.
I'd like to stay with dish mostly because it's easy to use for my tech challenged wife, but also for some of the cool features, like PIP and MultiView.

I also have access to YouTube TV through a family plan, which I use sometimes.
That could be the fallback if the price can't get down to my current level, although training my wife to use that may be too much to ask.

jsmit86 said:

Sent an email to my dish contact. Hopefully he can get it back down.
I'd like to stay with dish mostly because it's easy to use for my tech challenged wife, but also for some of the cool features, like PIP and MultiView.

I also have access to YouTube TV through a family plan, which I use sometimes.
That could be the fallback if the price can't get down to my current level, although training my wife to use that may be too much to ask.

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My late wife had early onset dementia, she was easily able to figure out YTTV.

Bruce said:

My late wife had early onset dementia, she was easily able to figure out YTTV.

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To put it in perspective.... She can't figure out how to connect to Wi-Fi on her iPhone unless I help her. This is for saved profiles!

She will look at the cellular signal display on the phone...."See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

A few hours later....
"See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

Another few hours later....
Rinse and repeat.

jsmit86 said:

To put it in perspective.... She can't figure out how to connect to Wi-Fi on her iPhone unless I help her. This is for saved profiles!

She will look at the cellular signal display on the phone...."See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

A few hours later....
"See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

Another few hours later....
Rinse and repeat.

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My iPhone auto joins my home wifi whenever I am in the vicinity. It remembers other wifis that I have joined in the past and auto joins them as well. It is very easy to set up.

Yep. But if you hide your SSID, you may need to log in each time.

jsmit86 said:

To put it in perspective.... She can't figure out how to connect to Wi-Fi on her iPhone unless I help her. This is for saved profiles!

She will look at the cellular signal display on the phone...."See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

A few hours later....
"See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

Another few hours later....
Rinse and repeat.

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Have you had her checked for dementia by chance? Or is this just typical woman tech challenged. My wife is tech challenged like a mother. I can show her how to use something and she will yell at me across the house my phone won't connect to the wifi! Show her again and the same thing the very next day. My aunt is 11 years older than me and she is also tech challenged. I hated getting phone calls from out of state from her saying my computer is messed up what do I do? I said stop using one. So she bought an expensive lap top and still can't figure out how to use it. Some people you can't help. You just have to be their ongoing tech support.

my android phone auto connects to my wifi weather at home or out and about.. as long as my passwords programed into it.. same as with all of my devices!!!

So...I got my bill today, and it is NOT what I was expecting. As I mentioned earlier, there was that $5 charge for "Access for TV", and then I was given a 3 month courtesy credit to balance it out due to a glitch. The glitch was resolved and now I am saving $5.

However, on my account, there is an additional one-time courtesy credit of $9. That is a really random number for a courtesy credit. That $9 lines up with the cost built into each package for the initial receiver access to programming.

I am also being given a $5 courtesy credit for 6 months. It looks like multiple people tried to fix my account - which it is nice to have the courtesy credits.

But at the same time - I do think that "Access for TV" $5 was not truly a glitch and is something that is going to be showing up at some point in the future.

CDLs are in BIG demand. Ever notice how close to 100% of OTR trucks have hiring signs on them?

navychop said:

CDLs are in BIG demand. Ever notice how close to 100% of OTR trucks have hiring signs on them?

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That's because the one good thing the administration is doing is finally going after the fake and non-domiciled CDL drivers, opening the door to hire more valid drivers and hopefully will push the rates back up.

HipKat said:

That's because the one good thing the administration is doing is finally going after the fake and non-domiciled CDL drivers, opening the door to hire more valid drivers and hopefully will push the rates back up.

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now let's get rid of the piss tanks and tampons off of diesels aka emissions crap since it can bankrupt someone!!! and get rid of ELD'S since they make some drivers drive like idiots trying to find a parking spot. starter mega carriers should not allow new drivers to train that's just a way for em to move cheap freight..

Arctic_fox said:

now let's get rid of the piss tanks and tampons off of diesels aka emissions crap since it can bankrupt someone!!! and get rid of ELD'S since they make some drivers drive like idiots trying to find a parking spot. starter mega carriers should not allow new drivers to train that's just a way for em to move cheap freight..

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And when they get rid of driver-facing cameras, they'll start to attract the prototypical truck driver back to the industry.

HipKat said:

And when they get rid of driver-facing cameras, they'll start to attract the prototypical truck driver back to the industry.

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i own my own truck i don't have none of that crap just an outward facing cam for a**holes in 4 wheelers and the break checker's

Arctic_fox said:

i own my own truck i don't have none of that crap just an outward facing cam for a**holes in 4 wheelers and the break checker's

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I thought about just buying my own, but goddang. I bought a nice 2000 W900L in 2004 for $52K. New they were just over 100K. Now, a new KW W990 is over $300,000.00
I couldn't afford a new one, but used truck prices are just as crazy

My brother knows a source for lower cost used. They're automatics, if don't mind giving up shifting for self

HipKat said:

I thought about just buying my own, but goddang. I bought a nice 2000 W900L in 2004 for $52K. New they were just over 100K. Now, a new KW W990 is over $300,000.00
I couldn't afford a new one, but used truck prices are just as crazy

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This is still true to this day. The w9's are going for 235.00k to 300k!!! but goddang id''e spend it on a kitty whopper over a frieghtshacker castacrap!!! I only buy new so i can get the manual trans and delete all of the safety crap like adaptive cruise and lane departure warning and all of that crap as that will have you pulling your hair out. truck prices are still crazy today!! and in my line of work i need a 170 inch sleeper since i can't park in choke and pukes or walmarts . right now heavy haul is big with all of the AI data centers if your into flat bedding!!! my wife is already looking for our second truck. i just cringe when she shows me LMFAO

telstar_1 said:

My brother knows a source for lower cost used. They're automatics, if don't mind giving up shifting for self

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i know someone that's going to retire he's selling his truck' it has 200k miles on it with an 18 speed and cummings x15 with a 156 inch bunk year is a 2024, there's deals to be found and had out there!!!

HipKat said:

I thought about just buying my own, but goddang. I bought a nice 2000 W900L in 2004 for $52K. New they were just over 100K. Now, a new KW W990 is over $300,000.00
I couldn't afford a new one, but used truck prices are just as crazy

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have you tried looking for an O/O that's going into retirement? sometimes you can get a good deal and the owner will work with you as far as financing they act as the bank when your done paying it off then they give you the title. the truck along with it's depreciation are tax write off's!!!

Arctic_fox said:

This is still true to this day. The w9's are going for 235.00k to 300k!!! but goddang id''e spend it on a kitty whopper over a frieghtshacker castacrap!!! I only buy new so i can get the manual trans and delete all of the safety crap like adaptive cruise and lane departure warning and all of that crap as that will have you pulling your hair out. truck prices are still crazy today!! and in my line of work i need a 170 inch sleeper since i can't park in choke and pukes or walmarts . right now heavy haul is big with all of the AI data centers if your into flat bedding!!! my wife is already looking for our second truck. i just cringe when she shows me LMFAO

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Heh! I understood some of that!

I think the way we will see things go (my crystal ball) is Dish will buy DIRECTV and then Elon will buy Dish.

Scott Greczkowski said:

I think the way we will see things go (my crystal ball) is Dish will buy DIRECTV and then Elon will buy Dish.

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Why would Musk even want them?

Why would anyone pay anything for two providers that lose a million or more subscribers every year each?

Scott Greczkowski said:

I think the way we will see things go (my crystal ball) is Dish will buy DIRECTV and then Elon will buy Dish.

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Why would Elon want DISH? Really curious on that one and the answer. Is Charlie talking retirement and wants out?

MikeD-C05 said:

Why would Elon want DISH? Really curious on that one and the answer. Is Charlie talking retirement and wants out?

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Lots of satellite spectrum, many national data that will be working for a long long time, lots of technology and patients that Dish owns etc.

If you watch closely Dish is working to accumulate new satellite technologies which would be perfect in Elons pocket and they are able to buy them without much scrutiny like they would probably have if Elon purchased them.

Lots of money is already being thrown at Dish by Elon. What money is he throwing at DIRECTV?

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Lots of satellite spectrum, many national data that will be working for a long long time, lots of technology and patients that Dish owns etc.

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And again, how does that show he wants Dish TV?

How would that be good for Dish TV?

Scott Greczkowski said:

Lots of money is already being thrown at Dish by Elon. What money is he throwing at DIRECTV?

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For the spectrum, not for the Television part of Echostar.

Bruce said:

And again, how does that show he wants Dish TV?

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Because he keeps investing in them.

Dish was almost bankrupt but now is smooth sailing due to Elon money.

Keep watching.

Scott Greczkowski said:

Because he keeps investing in them.

Dish was almost bankrupt but now is smooth sailing due to Elon money.

Keep watching.

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I wish I knew what you knew about this, behind the scenes. How much have you got invested in DISH /Echostar?

Bruce said:

Why would Musk even want them?

Why would anyone pay anything for two providers that lose a million or more subscribers every year each?

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Maybe Elon thinks satellite TV will do a come back. I bet he has a Hopper 3 and loves it. Apps keep going up on prices and you need more than one app to see everything you want to see. I think Satellite is the way to go.

If they could just get the dish size down

telstar_1 said:

If they could just get the dish size down

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They're back down to the 20" Dish 500

I thought 19".

navychop said:

I thought 19".

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Here is a list of Dish reflector sizes I made up long time ago. I think it is still accurate.

charlesrshell said:

Maybe Elon thinks satellite TV will do a come back. I bet he has a Hopper 3 and loves it. Apps keep going up on prices

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And so does Satellite/ Cable TV, but it is still a lot less expensive with the streaming services, along with a lot more new content and the better video/sound quality.

charlesrshell said:

and you need more than one app to see everything you want to see. I think Satellite is the way to go.

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Why is that a big deal?

In today's world, you still need multiple services to watch new content, for example, even if you have Dish, you still need Paramount+ to watch Landman, Dutton, Star Trek, etc, etc.

MikeD-C05 said:

I wish I knew what you knew about this, behind the scenes. How much have you got invested in DISH /Echostar?

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Zero.

The World Cup Experience Mixes will be going live Wednesday on channels 205-1 and 407-1 for the simultaneous matches in the group stage. (Although there's a good chance there will be a simultaneous match tonight as severe storms are predicted to hit Philly during France/Iraq)

The U.S. Open channels have been removed

FOX, Telemundo and LIVE4K (FOX Sports 4K 1) will have the remainder of France/Iraq

FS1, Universo and LIVE4K3 (FOX Sports 4K 3) will have the start of Norway/Senegal and will be joined in progress on FOX/Tel/LIVE4K when the early game finishes

Jordan/Algeria is scheduled for 11pm ET on FS1, Telemundo and LIVE4K2 (FOX Sports 4K 2)

LIVE4K4 currently has CHSN's telecast of Guardian's @ White Sox

DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Jun 24 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Jun 24 2026 vs Jun 17 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

2 Transponders cleared of all Streams::
Net 0 TID 13 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D16@101, TPN 14
Net 15 TID 124 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D15@103cb, TPN 1


Stream (PID) counts:



The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
More remapping
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters

Weekly Analysis for 6/24/2026:

US Open out, World Cup in

Targetted Offers now live:
9755 SPORTS - Sports pack for one month free

Targetted Offers testing:
9751 *MOVIE - Rent a Movie on Us!
9753 *APPLE

A bunch of TPN reshuffles

2026-06 Security Update (KB5094126) Builds: 26200.8655 and 26100.8695 and 2026-06 .NET 80.28 for x64 Client (KB5097149) and 2026-06 .NET Security Update Builds: 26200.8655 and 261`00.8655 (KB509426) have been released. Moderate time needed for those choosing to perform a manual download/install/restart. Quality improvements only. No new operating system features.

MysteryMan said:

2026-06 Security Update (KB5094126) Builds: 26200.8655 and 26100.8695 and 2026-06 .NET 80.28 for x64 Client (KB5097149) and 2026-06 .NET Security Update Builds: 26200.8655 and 261`00.8655 (KB509426) have been released. Moderate time needed for those choosing to perform a manual download/install/restart. Quality improvements only. No new operating system features.

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My Win10 desktop was freezing all the time and two different guys told me probably needed a new HHD. I am OLD and finally after two days got 10 re-installed. Then I would selet to do update's would lock up. Maybe i should have let it do them at night. I have shut off updates for 30 days to see how it runs. Seems to be running fine but what will happen if it does not update. It was my understanding MS was not going to support them but when i did the new install it gave me the option for them to continue for 6 more months.

Bruno said:

My Win10 desktop was freezing all the time and two different guys told me probably needed a new HHD. I am OLD and finally after two days got 10 re-installed. Then I would selet to do update's would lock up. Maybe i should have let it do them at night. I have shut off updates for 30 days to see how it runs. Seems to be running fine but what will happen if it does not update. It was my understanding MS was not going to support them but when i did the new install it gave me the option for them to continue for 6 more months.

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Why not Win 11?? Why stick with an OS that's losing support?? Win 11 isn't my main OS, but it's not the boogieman people said it was when it first came out

HipKat said:

Why stick with an OS that's losing support??

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For me, it is mostly about the abject failure Microsoft's "support" has turned out to be. Their "support" has been at least as much of a millstone as a life preserver. This behavior on Microsoft's part arguably shouldn't be "supported".

The last "Patch Tuesday" (June 9) laundry list included 200 issues, including five known zero-days and one exploited zero-day. There were 38 "critical" vulnerabilities, including 28 Remote Code Executions, four Elevation of Privileges, and an Information Disclosure.

Among all "threat level" classes:

• 65 Elevation of Privilege Vulnerabilities
• 19 Security Feature Bypass Vulnerabilities
• 55 Remote Code Execution Vulnerabilities
• 30 Information Disclosure Vulnerabilities
• 7 Denial of Service Vulnerabilities
• 27 Spoofing Vulnerabilities

According to Bleeping Computer, users who are up-to-date with Windows 11 may experience problems (that don't throw an error) with third-party applications trying to open Office applications using OLE -- a core feature of Office since 1990.

Just yesterday, with the help of a one-man, third-party support site for Windows, I was able to get past a Windows Extended Security Updates activation error that has been plaguing me since October. The fix involved changing an obscurely-named registry entry from one to zero.

I still haven't figured out why Windows thinks I'm enrolled in the Windows Insider Program and, if I am, under what Microsoft account.

I read all that stuff, and I feel like blah blah, whatever. I use Windows about 40% of the time now, for work-related things I need Windows for, and none of that stuff affects anything I do. And that includes web browsing and posting forums just like this one.
As for Insider Program, have you checked in Windows Update under the Insider tab to make sure? That's where you join and leave the program

HipKat said:

As for Insider Program, have you checked in Windows Update under the Insider tab to make sure? That's where you join and leave the program

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That's where it shows that I'm part of the program. One must log into the associated Microsoft account to opt out of the program.

Many, if not most, users have access to only one computer and can't fall back on another for their secure transactions.

I maintain a Windows 10 machine specifically to do my income taxes.

HipKat said:

Why not Win 11?? Why stick with an OS that's losing support?? Win 11 isn't my main OS, but it's not the boogieman people said it was when it first came out

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I did order a new Win11 machine for my office. My old Win10 does meet the requirements to upgrade to Win11, and will move it to my bedroom that will replace a win7 that was really old and really slow.

There was a new preview download tonight for those interested in knowing such things.

comfortably_numb said:

I'm still experimenting with OTA antennas at my new apartment. The mudflap works OK, but we had a dust/wind/rain storm the other day and it all but blew it away. I moved it indoors where the antenna is safer but the signals are marginal.

I bought a traditional Yagi antenna from Amazon and it seems to work more consistently, plus it's meant for outdoors where the mudflap is not.

Anyway, I've had success using umbrella bases paired with a fence post for satellite dishes, and I figured that could work for this as well. I'm just not sure where or what to get and what size pole for this application.

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Go to Home Depot and buy a length of "Top Rail" used in making chain link fences. I used a 10' section to mount my Winegard which is probably 4X the size of the yagi you bought from Amazon. It's been up for 15+ years of NM springtime winds and storms with no issues. They make 2 sizes. 1 3/8" and 1 5/8" diameter. Do you have a balcony railing you can clamp to?

BTW does that antenna do VHF HI or is it just UHF?

TRG said:

BTW does that antenna do VHF HI or is it just UHF?

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It does great on VHF. KOAT and KQRE come in good outside

I'm pretty sure this is what I used. Dang, the prices sure have gone up. I think I paid $8 15 years ago.

TRG said:

I'm pretty sure this is what I used. Dang, the prices sure have gone up. I think I paid $8 15 years ago.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-Chain-Link-Fence-1-3-8-in-Diameter-x-10-ft-Long-17-Gauge-Thick-Galvanized-Steel-Top-Rail-Post-328913DPTEB/312373065

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I suppose PVC would probably work also?

comfortably_numb said:

I suppose PVC would probably work also?

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TRG said:

Yeah, I guess so. I've never tried that though. I'd be concerned with UV deterioration from the NM sun. Some PVC may be UV resistant. I just don't know.

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I would be concerned with the heat and its effect on bending of the PVC. I would think at the 1-1/2" O.D. even Schedule 80 wouldn't be stiff enough to prevent movement in a strong wind. It might be too much movement and deteriorate ATSC reception if it's much more than 4' long.

What is the stuff installers use to seal the area around coax point of entry? The Comcast guy used it to seal his RG6 run for broadband. I want to do that for my antenna line..

It's like a clear plastic goo that hardens in a short period of time

comfortably_numb said:

What is the stuff installers use to seal the area around coax point of entry? The Comcast guy used it to seal his RG6 run for broadband. I want to do that for my antenna line..

It's like a clear plastic goo that hardens in a short period of time

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It's called "Coax-Seal". I keep a couple rolls, as it always comes in handy.

comfortably_numb said:

What is the stuff installers use to seal the area around coax point of entry? The Comcast guy used it to seal his RG6 run for broadband. I want to do that for my antenna line..

It's like a clear plastic goo that hardens in a short period of time

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I use RTV.

Foxbat said:

I would be concerned with the heat and its effect on bending of the PVC. I would think at the 1-1/2" O.D. even Schedule 80 wouldn't be stiff enough to prevent movement in a strong wind. It might be too much movement and deteriorate ATSC reception if it's much more than 4' long.

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For what it's worth, I've been using a piece of 1-1/4 white PVC well pipe to mount a 90cm dish to a 4x4 post as a temporary mount. Almost 9 years later it's still there and has not degraded in the sun (CT sun might not be as harsh as in NM, but still, that thing is in the sun for most of the day)

One of my coworkers found a 6-foot piece of top rail in the garage today.

comfortably_numb said:

It does great on VHF. KOAT and KQRE come in good outside

https://a.co/d/07E4fhdg

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I saw your post and I bought the exact antenna hoping to get, specifically, the vhf stations near me but it didn't work.