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The thing I look at in this other than his death is, How IS the restraint system set up for these cars ... this is always something I look into Before riding a Coaster ... (I have read plenty between Cedar Point, Six Flags ( by Chicago) and Kings Island as well as one out in the Los Angeles area)
The design of the seats in this case in my opinion is poor.
You hop up in the seat and a bar comes across your lap .... thats it ? In this case yes.

Had the locking system been not working for that row, they should have blocked off use in that row ... if it was more than that row, it should have been shut down

I believe these type at Cedar Point has that seat, but also has a restraint that comes over your head .... that would be what I would EXPECT on a ride like this ... at the Very least, have an actual Seat belt to be fastened ...

Way back in the day, I think it was the Blue Streak at CP, had a bar that came down, but not all that far and it also had Seat belts, we never wore the seatbelts, but that ride doesn't go upside down or any loops of any kind ... also wasn't all that fast or high.

I'm sure one of the rides at CP has this type of set up, but I think it has other restraints as well, that may be the one that has the over head bar come down over your chest ... I know one of them I do not ride because of the way it comes over your shoulders, I end up banging my head on the shoulder restraint thru out the ride ... others have a different shoulder restraint that attaches at the top of the seat and doesn't effect your head .

Prayers go out to him and his Friends and Family .

Jimbo said:

Had the locking system been not working for that row, they should have blocked off use in that row ... if it was more than that row, it should have been shut down

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There is still a lot that hasn't come out yet. This coaster has seats that are 4 per row. Most of the ones I've been on, each seat's restraint is independent from the others, so one could fail without it affecting the entire row.
I simply cannot imagine the terror that went through this man's mind when he realized he was being thrown out.

We went to Dollywood a couple weeks ago and one of my daughters talked me into going on the Drop Line. It's one of those tower thing where it lifts you 200 ft in the air, rotates you around and then drops you. I have NEVER regretted getting on a ride so much in my life!! To top it off, the people manning the ride pranked us by coming on the speaker and said "okay guys, we're going to drop you in 10 seconds" then dropped us immediately. Did I get on it a second time? No. Will I ever get on it again? No.

dishstaller said:

There is still a lot that hasn't come out yet. This coaster has seats that are 4 per row. Most of the ones I've been on, each seat's restraint is independent from the others, so one could fail without it affecting the entire row.
I simply cannot imagine the terror that went through this man's mind when he realized he was being thrown out.

We went to Dollywood a couple weeks ago and one of my daughters talked me into going on the Drop Line. It's one of those tower thing where it lifts you 200 ft in the air, rotates you around and then drops you. I have NEVER regretted getting on a ride so much in my life!! To top it off, the people manning the ride pranked us by coming on the speaker and said "okay guys, we're going to drop you in 10 seconds" then dropped us immediately. Did I get on it a second time? No. Will I ever get on it again? No.

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We use to have that at Cedar Point as well ... I never bothered ... it's much safer than going up a Telephone pole and cut out, grabbing the pole trying to secure yourself enough to gaff back in ...
Pole Climbing school was fun .

Go to the top of the pole and get the money that is up there and come down .. safely.

Jimbo said:

We use to have that at Cedar Point as well ... I never bothered ... it's much safer than going up a Telephone pole and cut out, grabbing the pole trying to secure yourself enough to gaff back in ...
Pole Climbing school was fun .

Go to the top of the pole and get the money that is up there and come down .. safely.

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I remember pole climbing school. Yes it was fun. We didn't have money up there though.

Bobby said:

We didn't have money up there though.

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Jimbo had already grabbed it

dishstaller said:

Jimbo had already grabbed it

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Nah, not me, Bobbie was there before I was ... he may have retired before I even started ('91)

That was Beer Money back then ...

Jimbo said:

Nah, not me, Bobbie was there before I was ... he may have retired before I even started ('91)

That was Beer Money back then ...

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I actually retired on December 30, 1991. Yes, I did pole climbing school in 1967.

Bobby said:

I actually retired on December 30, 1991. Yes, I did pole climbing school in 1967.

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I hired in, 2nd week of January '91 ...
The fun part was, I Knew I had the job back in October, but they wouldn't hire before the new year.
So the job I had back then, I had no pressure at all.

Back on the Goliath Roller Coaster ... I'm interested to find more details as well ...
Like where on the track did this happen (somewhere I read that it was on the climb up the top), which is impossible ...

They really need to take that ride and add at the very least, seatbelts ...

The Park is opening back up on Friday, the ride will Not be opening ... personally, I would keep it closed until different type of restraints can be designed and installed (over the winter).

I find it hard to believe that this ride is even allowed to be running with the restraints that exist at the moment, there are other rides that use the same type and they have been shut down across the country.

You got to believe that every ride has at least 2 types of restraint systems in place.

I wonder what and when we will hear from the Manufacturer ... and whatever governing bodies control these ...

Just think, this is a Major Amusement Park .... I would not have any problem getting on the Roller Coasters I have rode ...

Imagine what these County Fairs and others like them, I would not be caught Dead on one of them ... they get put up and tore down every other week, where is the safety for those rides ... No Thank You.

Jimbo said:

Imagine what these County Fairs and others like them, I would not be caught Dead on one of them ... they get put up and tore down every other week, where is the safety for those rides ... No Thank You.

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The first roller coaster I ever road was one of those. I was terrified but I was with my friends and didn't want to wuss out. While in line I kept looking at the guys running the ride.....few teeth, not that bright looking....I just KNEW my life was over.

Jimbo said:

I would not be caught Dead on one of them

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Yet IF you were on one, you might be caught dead.

They never carried it in HD on sat. In general, on satellite Class A/LPTV and subchannels tend to only be carried in SD unless they are the market's Big 4 affiliate since the offer HD carriage to one, offer HD carriage to all rule only applies to full power primaries.

Being on the coast WTCN-CD's low power signal might have been getting wiped out by atmospheric boost on a semi-regular basis as in the right conditions the water can act as a conduit to Florida and bring in signals from as far away as the Carolinas, Texas and the Caribbean Islands, so they switched to WTVX's full power simulcast.

KyL416 said:

They never carried it in HD on sat. In general, on satellite Class A/LPTV and subchannels tend to only be carried in SD unless they are the market's Big 4 affiliate since the offer HD carriage to one, offer HD carriage to all rule only applies to full power primaries.

Being on the coast WTCN-CD's low power signal might have been getting wiped out by atmospheric boost on a semi-regular basis as in the right conditions the water can act as a conduit to Florida and bring in signals from as far away as the Carolinas, Texas and the Caribbean Islands, so they switched to WTVX's full power simulcast.

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Very interesting to hear this, thanks for the background !

I would have thought that if the WTCN signal had problems then DTV would have requested a fiber connection or internet-delivered version instead of OTA reception.

The station carries college sports so to watch sports in SD in 2026 seems primitive. The HBCU football game they are carrying right now on WTCN could not look worse on DTV Stream (since it is a SD sub-channel from WTVX).

It's on the station to pay for a fiber or dedicated IP connection, most markets are ingesting their locals OTA.

KyL416 said:

It's on the station to pay for a fiber or dedicated IP connection, most markets are ingesting their locals OTA.

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Thanks ! Well, if any station group can afford to do this it would be Sinclair, they own 4 stations in the market.

With this heads up from KyL416 I'll reach out to the Sinclair Chief Engineer for WPB on Monday and see what he says about this signal change.

Given that You Tube TV and Xfinity carry WTCN HD I'd like to hear from him why they can't make the same happen for DTV anymore.

Well, this is awkward. Today the Miami Heat announced that their games in West Palm Beach this season will be aired on WTCN Channel 43, the Sinclair independent... and the station which DTV Stream downgraded from HD to SD a few weeks ago. Makes you wonder if the Heat is aware of this.

I did find the WTCN Chief Engineer (Bill Macbeth) and he said he knew nothing of what DTV Stream had done. Will look into it and get back to me.

Linux.

If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

EarDemon said:

If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

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To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

WhiteBeard said:

Linux.

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WhiteBeard said:

And I would rather have an Android phone than an iPhone.

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Holy crap, we agree on something

My order of preference

1) Modern day Windows Phone or Blackberry
3) Android
4) flip phone
5) candy bar Nokia from 1999
5) Motorola StarTAC
6) Fisher Price phone with the smiley face
7) Two tin cans and a string
99) Apple iPhone

WhiteBeard said:

To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

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For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.

HipKat said:

Holy crap, we agree on something

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I KNEW I felt some type of disturbance in the continuum earlier today....just wasn't sure what caused it.

Almighty1 said:

As of the time of this post, these are the latest software versions for the following Android TV (ATV) devices:
Joey 4 P53301
Wireless Joey 4 P63301
Hopper Plus P13301

I upgraded my Hopper Plus from P13113 to P13301

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I have never did an update on my Joey 4s ever

jackson85 said:

I have never did an update on my Joey 4s ever

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Yoou don't do them. It just happens. The software is sent to the Hopper and when the Joey sees the new software it just grabs it.

jackson85 said:

I have never did an update on my Joey 4s ever

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It's a YMMV situation and the Joey 4s do not have the manual update option available according to others in this thread. My Hopper Plus in the last 3 years 3 months and 3 days exactly since I have had it had only updated the software once on February 27, 2026, all the other times, I had to update it manually. With that said, no one said you had to do it manually, whether you are up to date and not seriously behind is another issue altogether which you would not know without downloading ATV software on the Hopper 3's Technician Settings or look at the Hopper 3's Diagnostics screen in the Available Joey Software section to see if the P version number with the 5 digits after the P is bigger than what's installed. With that said, having Aspect Ratios and Multi-View features available sooner rather than later is a benefit but there can be risks in newer bugs or features that can be introduced. I only listed what version I updated from because there are times when I don't even check to see if I am on the latest version of software on the Hopper 3 and/or Hopper Plus which can be months or even years as it's low priority. I don't even use DISH except to check what chapter(s) the shows are broadcasting daily and actually watch it using TVBAnywhere North America from my phone by casting it to the Google Chromecast Ultra 4K since both the audio and the video is higher quality than DISH and I don't have to sit there within 45 minutes of it being streamed.

jackson85 said:

I have never did an update on my Joey 4s ever

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the joey 4 reboots on it's own

I actually think it looks pretty good tbh.

First 2 eps out and it's unsurprisingly great to watch Paul Bettany and James Spader work.

Watched the first episode and enjoyed it.

James Spader gets the best lines so far. I'm enjoying this series.

Finished the 2nd episode tonight. I'm really liking it so far.

Still hate weekly releases though, especially the way Disney and HBO do it waiting until 8pm to premiere it.

reubenray said:

So there is no chance of a deal for Paramount+ and HBO Max? I have Paramount+ already.

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The name is being changed to Skydance and all of Paramount+, Showtime, DIscovery+, and HBO MAX streaming content is rumored to be merged into one streaming service.

b4pjoe said:

The name is being changed to Skydance and all of Paramount+, Showtime, DIscovery+, and HBO MAX streaming content is rumored to be merged into one streaming service.

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So, what happens if you only want 1 or 2 of those, can you still get them individually ?

Jimbo said:

So, what happens if you only want 1 or 2 of those, can you still get them individually ?

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The samething when you only wanted one or 2 channels on cable

Juan said:

The samething when you only wanted one or 2 channels on cable

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Not hardly ....
I'm not trying to get 200 channels.

Jimbo said:

Not hardly ....
I'm not trying to get 200 channels.

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But Paramount has a different agenda..to empty your wallet

Juan said:

But Paramount has a different agenda..to empty your wallet

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There's a lot of that going around these days. It seems every time I turn around my Youtube Premium is going up another dollar.

dishstaller said:

There's a lot of that going around these days. It seems every time I turn around my Youtube Premium is going up another dollar.

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use an adblocker

slow_poke_pete said:

use an adblocker

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There on no ad blockers on my TV. Some people prefer watching content on a TV.

b4pjoe said:

There on no ad blockers on my TV. Some people prefer watching content on a TV.

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There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.

ncted said:

There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.

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Do say, How?

ncted said:

There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.

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I am not willing as they keep changing the data and you keep having to block everything all over again. That is why I get the ad-free versions of the streaming services I use which includes Youtube.

b4pjoe said:

I am not willing as they keep changing the data and you keep having to block everything all over again. That is why I get the ad-free versions of the streaming services I use which includes Youtube.

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That is pretty much my take as well. At this point in my life I am willing to spend $$ to make my life more simple.

MikeD-C05 said:

Do say, How?

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Pihole

Foxbat said:

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

www.apple.com

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It has 128 gb of storage and one gigabit ethernet both just like the Gen 3. I would not have upgraded at the current $249 price of the gen 3 so I surely will not be getting the $299 gen 4 device. I will ride my gen 3 that I paid $149 for until it dies. This is the most underwhelming device I have ever seen Apple release.

b4pjoe said:

This is the most underwhelming device I have ever seen Apple release

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That could be said for most of their hardware and software these days. They don't innovate anymore.

comfortably_numb said:

They don't innovate anymore.

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They're putting all their efforts into the Holosuite.

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

I've saved a boatload of money!

Ronnie- said:

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.

back up to $4 this morning

Regular$6.299​
Premium$6.699​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​

Regular$6.199​
Premium$6.599​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​

Allsups on south end was $4.21 this morning (a drop), Monday prices were $4.19 - $4.35.

Today.

Two bugs out and three new bugs in.

Updated to H713 on a Hopper 3 from H712 with Hopper Plus a few hours earlier.

It brought a old problem back:

One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software.

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency but it's broken again.

Rick Durham and brittanygarden

cpdretired said:

Two bugs out and three new bugs in.

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Yep. Just got a call from a customer who said her DVR buttons stopped working. Told her about the new software and had her reboot her H3, problem solved.

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

Two more issue(s) with H713:

#1
H713, H712, H711 and earlier version(s) is that there are times when a streaming channel has failed and going to another streaming channel will only show the DISH icon downloading but it never gets past that. The fix is to view a satellite channel first and then the streaming channels will work again. This is on a Hopper 3 (Software H712) with Hopper Plus (Software P15317).

#2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not.

Almighty1 said:

Updated to H713 on a Hopper 3 from H712 with Hopper Plus a few hours earlier.

It brought a old problem back:

One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software.

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency but it's broken again.

Rick Durham and brittanygarden

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i can still see my joey software version with H713.. i am starting to think it's time to get rid of the hopper plus. i just have 2 joey 4's and the hopper 3 with no issues. it seem like the people that have the hopper plus have issues!!!

slow_poke_pete said:

i can still see my joey software version with H713.. i am starting to think it's time to get rid of the hopper plus. i just have 2 joey 4's and the hopper 3 with no issues. it seem like the people that have the hopper plus have issues!!!

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Are you talking about the Available Joey Software section which goes something like this:
Available Joey W153 W209 J613 J713 J813 K113 J913
Software
in H713 in diagnostics which is directly below the "Switch" section which is what I am referring to that should have a number starting with P which is needed for the
Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4
or the top area where it shows what the current version of the software is for the Hopper 3?

Seeing what your Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 software version just tells you what is the current software version already installed, until the P version(s) shows up in "Available Joey Software" section which is different for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4, Wireless Joey 4 and it will only list one for the device(s) that exist in one's own configuration which lists what's the latest available, those devices will not be able to check or update their software as it will say "Failed: No Tgt" while "Download ATV Files" in TECHNICIAN SETTINGS under tools will respond with:
"Download ATV Files 3000
This device is not currently targeted for
Android software"
as both are dependent on the P version being listed in the "Available Joey Software" section. It usually takes a few minutes before it shows up. I know with H710-H712, it was not shown and the Download ATV Files worked except since H710, even if you selected everything shown which for me would be the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 versions, the first download will as a end result only download the Hopper Plus's versions even though it shows all three as downloaded based on what Available Joey Software shows which is always two P numbers P153 and P15317. After the first successful download, the next download will actually download all three and Available Joey Software will reflect that. In H708 (H709 was skipped as no one mentioned it on the forums) and earlier, it always downloaded everything selected and would show 6 P versions in the Available Joey Software area. The Available Joey Software section is how I tell if there is a newer software available for the Hopper Plus and when I see that, I do the Download ATV files first which is where I get my information to post in my other thread, "Latest available software version for Android TV devices - Hopper Plus, Joey 4, Wireless Joey 4". The Download ATV files does not do any install or update the Hopper Plus as I still need to manually hit Menu, Settings, Device Preferences, About, Software Update to update the software.

So with any new Hopper 3 software update, the first things I will check is the Notifications in Settings to see if any of the settings were reset. For the "Remote Control Mode Reminder" setting, I would try it with off, exit notifications then hit TV on the side of the remote to make sure it does not show the reminder before going to notifications andputting it back to on, exit to see if it works correctly before going back to notifications for the other settings. Then I would look at Available Joey Software and regardless if the 2 P versions, one appears to be the 3 digit major version number and the other is the full 5 digit number which is the 3 digit major version number with 2 more digits, exists or not. Attempt to do the Download ATV Software for all 3 Android TV devices Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 until all of them is downloaded and shown in Available Joey Software which should be a total of 6 things added. If Download ATV Software has the no target like since H713, I will wait until I see a P version before I do it.

For reference, it's in the following threads:

dishstaller said:

Yep. Just got a call from a customer who said her DVR buttons stopped working. Told her about the new software and had her reboot her H3, problem solved.

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Reboot just fixes it for a short time and then it's back to messed up

Try going exclusively to an IR remote and you will see the pain

Almighty1 said:

Updated to H713 on a Hopper 3 from H712 with Hopper Plus a few hours earlier.

It brought a old problem back:

One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software.

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency but it's broken again.

Rick Durham and brittanygarden

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Within the last few hours as I did check earlier today when it was still missing, the Available Joey Software line now has added "P154 P15403" which is for the Hopper Plus that I have but my Hopper Plus software is still on P15317, I will do a Download Android TV (ATV) Software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey which are all Android TV devices and then manually do a check update on the Hopper Plus to update the software shortly.