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Today started out with a comment on another forum that the Invacom was not the Cadillac of LNBs.
And that the flanged versions were sub-standard...
I read a lot, and that was news to me. If it's common knowledge, please inform me.

I re-read the two Invacom reviews we have in the FTA Review section.
Both were positive, and an enjoyable read, but I wanted to extract just the facts.
In the comments after one review, someone incorrectly claimed the Invacom did only 5% better, by the reviewers own numbers.

I'll quote the relevant facts at the bottom, but has anyone tested any LNB that outperformed a similar Invacom?
Has anyone found a claimed 0.3db NF LNB that even equaled much less surpassed an Invacom?

I see that several posters have commented that they bought other 0.3db noise figure LNBs, and promised reviews.
Most didn't follow up.
In the few cases I've studied, either the writer concluded their new baby wasn't all it promised, or maybe equal at best.
Only one suggested his find was equal or better.




Invacom SNH-031 Review.
05-27-2005, 05:19 AM
by Cascade

Over the last year I've used a Winegard 76cm dish along with a DMSI ASC321 LNB.
Taking my favourite transponder on Galaxy10R -
TheTube on 11720/V/27692 my usual strength was 32% Signal/100% Quality which fluctuated
especially when wind was blowing and caused pixellation and macroblocks onscreen.
The Invacom raised my signal by 5 points to 37 but by far the best part
was a ROCK SOLID 100% quality reading.
37 - 32 = 5 point increase
100 / 32 * 5 = That's a 15.625% increase in signal STRENGTH

Review of Invacom QPH-031 C/L LNB
07-17-2005, 11:45 AM
by John Walsh

80cm Fortec Star dish...
With the original Coolsat .6db lnb I would get quality between 25 and 30 trying to get the Tube.
Most of the time it was unwatchable for me since I would lose lock on it often.
Add the Invacom and I immediately went to around 40-45% quality and got The Tube
with no problem and no breakup.
averaging 40-45 and 25-30, we get...
42.5 - 27.5 = 15 points increase
100 / 27.5 * 15 = Going from 27.5 to 42.5 is a 54.54% increase in signal QUALITY.

So, these two reviews both say the LNB is better than what they used before, by a significantly useful margin.
One stresses signal strength and one quality, but both agree they got better pictures.
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Shawn95GT
The Invacoms cost more so people are already looking for an excuse to hate 'em.

The fact is, most people report a positive experience with them. A couple here said the more inexpensive LNBs performed better for them. This seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

I think the flanged LNBs leave more to work really well or go really bad. Mis-matched feedhorns to the dishes might get blamed for poor performance vs a 'normal' LNB.

If I put my Primestar back in action, I've got a couple WR75 flanged LNBs for H and V behind the C120 flange. If they don't work as nice as I'd like, I'll pick up the flanged quad polar Invacom and not even think twice about it.
Anole
high expectations

Shawn95GT said:
The Invacoms cost more so people are already looking for an excuse to hate 'em.
Absolutely true. And I think that may be the case.

But on the other hand, after spending way more, some people would be inclined to justify the expense with fish tails of how wonderful they worked.
(I used to have an uncle like that)

Or it could simply be that when you expect the better performance, you find the better performance.
A case of the observer affecting the outcome of the test.
That's why I'm looking for numbers to support the performance claims.

Based on what I've read here and on other sites, I've ordered an Invacom as my initial linear LNB.
Thanks to favorable review by IceBerg, I also have a 36" dish in transit.
Either should go a long way toward getting those elusive birds.
Both together were not much extra expense.
Needless to say, I'm expecting great things, and will be sorely pissed if I don't achieve 'em. :)

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raydio
Just because it works great for one person does not mean it will work great for the next. Your setup may not be exactly the same as the reviewers or your location. Also these reviews are some what subjective - just like reviewing speakers...what sounds great to one person, sounds like crap to another. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way slamming the reviewers, they are extremely knowledgable people. I bought the Invacom LNB and noticed modest improvements but not great improvements. I believe if you are looking for great improvements then you will be disappointed. But then what's your definition of "great" ? Your mileage may vary :yes
M
everyone's got different opinions on different LNB's

I like the Xtreme LNB...the Invacom for me didnt work right because of the weightof the LNB...it made a couple signals go down.

as with almost anything...YMMV
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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Almighty1
So after some heavy research, it looks like the issue I mentioned with the DISH 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes where on the 50.0/52.0 remotes, the dedicated TV Power button or on the 54.x remotes where it is using the TV button on the side followed by Power works correctly on a Hopper 3 which runs Linux but not on a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 which are Android TV (ATV) has to do with the Android TV software itself. In all instances, the remotes had always sent out a dual RF and Infrared signal when the TV Power signal is sent from the remote. The Hopper 3 without the Plus would ignore the incoming RF power packet signal which is identified as a TV-specific toggle event, and does not trigger a system-wide standby state. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 as Android TV devices initially worked the same way as well up to sometime in 2025 as there was the legacy pass-through mode in the original software versions used since the Hopper Plus/Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 launch, the receiver's underlying software essentially ignored the secondary RF payload that the 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes blasted out whenever the TV Power signal was sent. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 recognized it was a TV-specific command and discarded the RF packet, letting the standalone IR signal do its job on the tv.

When the software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 were updated in 2025 and newer versions of the software for those Android TV (ATV) devices, it overhauled how the receiver handles remote commands to tighter integrate the Android TV environment which resulted in the software starting to treat any RF power toggle payload as a global command. As the newer software verion(s) no longer filters out the concurrent RF blast from the 50.0/52.0/54.0 remotes, the moment one sends a TV Power signal from the remote, the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 catches that unintended RF payloadand interpets it as a command to drop the system into standby.

The fix is really simple since the Android TV (ATV) software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 just needs to be programmed to drop or ignore the specific RF power packets associated with the TV Power signal sequence.

The problem could also be at the remotes firmware as the remote's firmware has an engineering defect. When you try to turn off the TV, the remote's internal code mistakenly triggers its RF transmitter alongside its IR transmitter. It should only be firing the IR light blast. Because it forces a simultaneous broadcast, the remote's firmware is the original source of the problem.

The Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey firmware has a filtering defect. Good software design dictating peripheral inputs should include "error handling"—rules that tell the system what to do with messy or unintended commands.
• The legacy Hopper 3 firmware has proper error handling; it sees the remote's rogue RF packet and safely ignores it.
• The Android TV firmware in the Hopper Plu, Joey 4 and Wireless lacks this filtering logic. It blindly accepts the rogue RF packet and misinterprets it as a legitimate signal to force the entire system into standby.

If the remote didn't have a firmware bug, it wouldn't send the phantom RF signal. If the Android TV (ATV) device being the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 didn't have a firmware bug, it would cleanly ignore the signal just like the Hopper 3 does.

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That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.
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That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.

This is exactly the same issue I was having as I had the Hopper 3 and 54 remote without the Hopper Plus and the symptoms were virtually identical to yours.
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