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tankerman

Last reply Jan 4, 2006 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

My $999.00 "921"

Does anyone have any idea what Dish is going to do with the customers with MPEG 2 recievers?
I assume that when these new VOOM channels come out this week, I won't be able to recieve them.
I love my 921. Sure you have to reboot it a couple of times a week, but I'm still happy with it.
They better have a good deal for the long time customers.
I've been with Dish and only Dish for about 10 years now.
I paid $999 for my 921. It's only a year and a half old.
Anybody have any info?

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T2k

Jan 3, 2006

tankerman said:
I assume that when these new VOOM channels come out this week, I won't be able to recieve them.

You're wrong.

SummitAdvantageRetailer

Jan 3, 2006

Cyclone said:
Ebay it and try to get some $$$ back. That's what I will likely do about two months after the 622 hits the market. I want to give sometime for some kind of upgrade offer to take place.

I think by then, it'll be too late. The value would drop considerably since the 921's would be obsolete when the 622 hits the market. The 921 has been eclipsed by the 942 but for those that want a simple HD DVR, the 921 is quite affordable now at around $399 - $450 for it. This is a good time to get a 921 if you just want a MPEG2 HD receiver since that's only $50 more than a 811.

Right before the 622 comes out, I think I'll Ebay mine. Or just keep it around for memory sake. We'll see.

Indy

Jan 3, 2006

I seriously doubt Dish will offer any type of upgrade to existing HD customers for quite some time. Dish seems to have adopted the policy of enticing new business with incentives and ignoring the pleas of long term customers asking for a deal or offer to upgrade to the newest technology. The 942 comes to mind as an example. I have been a Dish Everything Pak customer from day one in 1994? and still have no leverage for the lease deal on the 942.

Get used to the mpeg2 channels you are watching because no deal will be offered for the mpeg4 equipment until mpeg 2 is about to go dark. Remember the 4psk to 8psk transition? Took a while to get to the customers using the model 5000 with the HD modulator. And that had the sense of urgency because the recording that was going on.

In other words if you are not a "New Fish" ready to be caught by Dish be ready to buy your way to mpeg 4 for big bucks. Dish will chum the waters with incentives for the new business LONG before feeding current customers already on the hook

tunagimp

Jan 4, 2006

Indy said:
I seriously doubt Dish will offer any type of upgrade to existing HD customers for quite some time...
Get used to the mpeg2 channels you are watching because no deal will be offered for the mpeg4 equipment until mpeg 2 is about to go dark. Remember the 4psk to 8psk transition? Took a while to get to the customers using the model 5000 with the HD modulator. And that had the sense of urgency because the recording that was going on.
In other words if you are not a "New Fish" ready to be caught by Dish be ready to buy your way to mpeg 4 for big bucks. Dish will chum the waters with incentives for the new business LONG before feeding current customers already on the hook

I think you are right.

I shudder to think what the life of a Dish CSR is going to be when LiL HD becomes available and existing customers are told...

"Yes,you can get HD locals...If you send me $700 MORE dollars. Your 942 is still a "fine receiver."
("Fine receiver" was an actual term used by a Dish CSR when I called yesterday to see the minimum programming I could carry and still be eligible for any potential "upgrade" and if I could use my 942 and 921 as OTA receivers.)

Try explaining to the wife that the less-than-a-month-old 942 you just bought (to augment your less-than stellar performing 921) is going to result in the expenditure of even MORE money for a Di-rect TV HD DVR, which will ALSO have to be exchanged for MORE money, unless you want to wait and see how Dish is going to ask you for MORE money to exhange your 942.

"Yes Honey, you can get the Lifetime Abused Women Channel back, just as soon as I get down to Best Buy and cough up another $600, but don't worry, there's a REBATE!"

I also think they will "tier" the pricing for the HD pack. 921 and 942 suckers will pay one price. The "expanded HD" pack will cost more.

I propose we have an "HD Sucker Index," and use it to determine the price of any 622 upgrade. For example:

If you paid $1000 for your 921 AND $699 for your 942, you're a Grade A+ Sucker.

If you paid $549 for your 921 and $699 for your 942, you're a Grade A, etc.

I'm sure they have run the numbers, and the HD DVR people they lose to cable and D* will just be a small blip in the churn report.

Stargazer

Jan 4, 2006

The value of your 921 just dropped to less than $349. A used one is probably worth under $250-300 now since the new ones will retail for $349. The value will drop the longer you wait because they may not reactivate HD channels on them after Feb. 1st. Once Feb. 1st hits the value will probably be a little higher than the 721 since it has more storage space and OTA HD tuner. The satellite HD tuner wont mean a dang thing by that time. Maybe you will get a little more out of it if you stored some HD movies on it.

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b4pjoe

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Last reply 8 minutes ago · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Fox Is Buying Roku in $22 Billion Deal

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Neutron

Yesterday at 3:04 PM

Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.

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TRG

Yesterday at 9:50 PM

Neutron said:
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.

Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.

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navychop

Yesterday at 10:36 PM

I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.

harshness

Today at 9:48 AM

navychop said:
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.

Until I can get a mortgage on an ATV, I doubt that's going to happen for me.

As much as the price has gone up, the complaints on the forums about this, that, and the other nits surrounding various limitations and Apple business decisions seem to be keeping pace.

Jimbo

Today at 9:55 AM

TRG said:
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.

I have the Roku's, 2 or 3, I just rarely use them ... I prefer the Google/Android Sony set up.

People tell me that the Apps on the TV will end thier usefulness as they age ... They are doing ok for me so far ... I also have the TV take the App Updates whenever possible ... then again, I don't know how often App updates come to it.

So, so far, I'm doing ok, but if they start to get sluggish, I'll eventually change to a Roku ... I don't want to, but eventually ... (Or buy another new TV :eeek

reubenray

29 minutes ago

navychop said:
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.

As long as my Roku Ultra works I will use it. I use it for all of my streaming apps except for Prime. I read that Prime works best with Android TV's.

navychop

16 minutes ago

Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?

osu1991

8 minutes ago

navychop said:
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?

Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply 31 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Last reply 32 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
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Added these to this post...
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Linus Tech Tips

57 minutes ago · posted in Linus Tech Tips

I’ve never seen this before (and it’s 20 years old.)

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KyL416

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Last reply Today at 10:46 AM · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Genre Packs from DIRECTV

https://www.directv.com/insider/mysports-changes-the-game/
https://streamtv.directv.com/mysports/ (You might have to logout or open a private window to see the details)
As of now this is only available for streaming customers in select markets. Existing streaming customers can switch to it for $69.99, but they are not eligible for the $20 off for 3 months discount. More genre-specific packages will launch during the first half of the year.

At launch, MySports includes 40 sports and broadcast channels and is initially available in 24 metro areas, including New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco Bay Area, and others. Click here for more information and the list of initial launch markets. The availability of MySports will expand into additional markets as DIRECTV adds more local stations to the package.

The streamlined MySports package includes national and local channels in select markets, as well as live news channels.

National sports channels immediately available through MySports include ACC Network, Big Ten Network, DIRECTV 4K Live, DIRECTV 4K Live 2, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNews, ESPNU, Fox Sports 1, Fox Sports 2, Golf Channel, MLB Network, NBA TV, NFL Network, NHL Network, SEC Network, TBS, TNT, TruTV and USA Network. Local channels will initially include any stations owned and operated by ABC, FOX, and NBC, with additional stations coming online soon.

Additional networks, local stations and ESPN+, will be included in MySports at no extra cost in the near future.

Consumers who sign up online for the contract-free package before Feb. 28, 2025, can receive MySports for $49.99 monthly for the first three months, a $20 monthly savings. After the free trial, it auto-renews monthly, and consumers can cancel anytime.

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KyL416

May 26, 2026

They recently split the news channels off of MySports, so CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC and MSNOW are no longer part of it.

MySports was decreased to $64.99, and a new "MySports+MyNews Duo" pack is $79.99, which will also give you Bloomberg, CNBC World, CNNI, the C-SPANs, i24 and Newsmax.

Tennis Channel also joined MySports at some point over the past year.

Curtis0620

Jun 16, 2026

KyL416 said:
They recently split the news channels off of MySports, so CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC and MSNOW are no longer part of it.

MySports was decreased to $64.99, and a new "MySports+MyNews Duo" pack is $79.99, which will also give you Bloomberg, CNBC World, CNNI, the C-SPANs, i24 and Newsmax.

Tennis Channel also joined MySports at some point over the past year.

AMC+ now included in MyEntertainment Pack. I guess we know why the $8 price increase.

KyL416

Jun 16, 2026

Here's the Insider article. Shudder is now part of MyCinema and Fanatiz1 was added to the Spanish packages last Friday. PX Sports was also added a few weeks ago.

It's not just AMC+ driving the price increases on the genre packs, the rest of the AMC Networks (AMC, WE, IFC, Sundance, BBC America), along with Paramount/CBS, Hallmark, Weigel and others joined since they debuted last year.

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KyL416

Yesterday at 10:35 PM

MySports now has some CW affiliates, and MyNews now has some CW affiliates and the MyNetworkTV O&Os.

At quick check, it looks like the CBS and Sinclair owned CW affiliates are missing.

Curtis0620

Today at 10:46 AM

KyL416 said:
MySports now has some CW affiliates, and MyNews now has some CW affiliates and the MyNetworkTV O&Os.

At quick check, it looks like the CBS and Sinclair owned CW affiliates are missing.

No Hearst owned CW in Orlando

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osu1991

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Last reply Today at 10:29 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

EV News

America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot

New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives

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The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.

:eek

It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.

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Ending production in middle of next year at gigatexas for cybercab production.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:09 PM

IF they had made the cyber truck more like a conventional truck, more would have bought it. There is a REASON trucks all have a very similar layout....it's what people want AND it serves the purposes those of us who have a truck needs.

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harshness

Today at 10:29 AM

dishstaller said:
There is a REASON trucks all have a very similar layout....it's what people want AND it serves the purposes those of us who have a truck needs.

As it is, most consumers buy trucks as comfortable transportation rather than commercial utility. The Cybertruck approach to that goal was way out in left field. It turned out to be more of an austere sedan with awful daily-driver attributes (visibility, parking). The expectations regarding truck durability were dashed early on.

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Neutron

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 10:07 AM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Apple HomePod Home Automation

Does anyone here use Apple Home/HomeKit with HomePods or Apple TV to automate smart devices in their house? We have had Amazon's Alexa set up in our house for the last 10+ years and I have been waiting to switch them out to Apple for a few reasons; We are already in the Apple ecosystem with our phones, tablets, and computers. I have never liked Amazon's stance on privacy and I really like that Apple has pushed for privacy for a long time.

I bought 4 of the new HomePod Mini 2 speakers to go in various rooms in our house and we have one of the new Apple TVs on preorder that will be the start of me replacing our Rokus. I have the HomePod Mini 2s set up and have an RPi that is running HomeBridge for our legacy smart devices that worked natively with Alexa but don't work with Apple Home natively. I had trouble with the older smart bulbs not keeping the brightness or light color consistent with what our routines were with Alexa despite trying every setting in HomeBridge with the bulbs just not shining very bright. I ended up replacing them with updated versions that are Matter compatible so they work in Apple Home natively. That in and of itself has been interesting to set up because I have my home network segretated with the IoT devices on their own vlan and wifi and pretty locked down. Matter requires IPv6 and due to how my home network is designed I had to do some digging with AI to figure out how to make it all work correctly.

Apple Home definitely has some shortcomings that Alexa does much better with but I am hoping Apple will continue to improve their Home products and introduce features that will bring it closer to the functionality of Alexa.

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b4pjoe

Yesterday at 3:44 PM

I tried HomeKit to be able to see my Ring cameras on my Apple TV as they are not supported natively on Apple devices. The best I could get was to be able to view the cameras live but I could not view any recordings. After the last major update version of HomeKit I could not even view the live cameras anymore. I gave up on it after that. If I were going to do it again I would only buy devices that can work on Apple devices natively as HomeKit didn't work well at all for me.

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Neutron

Yesterday at 4:01 PM

b4pjoe said:
I tried HomeKit to be able to see my Ring cameras on my Apple TV as they are not supported natively on Apple devices. The best I could get was to be able to view the cameras live but I could not view any recordings. After the last major update version of HomeKit I could not even view the live cameras anymore. I gave up on it after that. If I were going to do it again I would only buy devices that can work on Apple devices natively as HomeKit didn't work well at all for me.

That's what I started doing after seeing legacy devices work hit or miss using the HomeBridge. At least Apple is following a standard now with Matter which is unusual for Apple. Looks like HomeBridge does allow you to see the live views but I haven't seen how to view past recordings. I'd really like to ditch Ring altogether due to their stance on privacy and if I had my choice I'd go with UniFi since that's what I use for my network and I like the idea of my camera recordings being all local and not in the cloud. UniFi doorbells and cameras are quite pricey though.

I'll try to access the Ring doorbells in Apple Home for now but I'll see if it's useful any.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 4:20 PM

I found that the IoT devices need to see the Apple TV to be able to use it as the HomeKit Hub. Unfortunately, that means being in the same IPv4 subnet.

I was thinking of getting a HomePod Mini for my Mother-in-Law to play music and set up HomeKit scenes, as well as make FaceTime Audio calls. When Apple announced their price rises due to RAMageddon, I kicked myself as they went up 50% in cost. I'll be curious to see the HomeView in person as this might not be a bad way to get her started on automation.

She asked about it because her friends have Alexa and they use it to control lights. But like you, I feel better putting in a HomePod or HomeView that's listening for commands instead of Amazon or Google.

b4pjoe

Yesterday at 4:28 PM

Neutron said:
That's what I started doing after seeing legacy devices work hit or miss using the HomeBridge.

Homebridge is what I meant when I said HomeKit. Forgot the name of it.

harshness

Today at 10:07 AM

I find that I don't interact with my home automation system (Hubitat Elevation) as much as I thought I would.

Apple made everything more expensive and less flexible with its "our way or the highway" approach. To be sure, a Homebridge server addresses some of the major deficiencies, but it seems like it will always be a battle to keep pasting things together.