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Scott Greczkowski
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Below are some of the notes which may interest you the consumer from the recent Dish Network Retailer Facts Blast. This information does not contain any dealer sensitive data.

New HD Programming – Effective February 1, 2006

New DishHDTM Entertainment Packages – DISH Network now has a total of 25 HD channels that will be offered in 5 brand-new packages. We now offer the most HD programming on the market, with over 1,700 hours of HD programming per week – which comes to over 200 hours of HD viewing a day!

New HD Packages and Prices​

New Package
Description
Price/mo. Without Locals
Price/mo. With Locals



DishHD Bronze​

HD programming plus over 65 standard definition channels including ESPN, Discovery and CNN
$49.99
$54.99



DishHD Silver​

HD programming plus over 165 standard definition channels including Regional Sports Networks, SIRIUS Music and AMC
$59.99
$64.99


DishHD Gold

HD programming plus over 200 standard definition channels including Encore, Multiplex, Bravo and ESPNU
$69.99
$74.99


DishHD Platinum

Includes DishHD Gold package plus four premium movie packages and NBA TV
$99.99
$104.99

Stand-Alone HD Package​

Basic HD programming (22 channels)​
**Not qualified programming**
$29.99
$34.99

5 new VOOM Original Channels (Total of 15) – This will bring the total number of VOOM Original Channels to 15. For more information on the Original VOOM Channels and DISH Network HD programming overall, you can go to: http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/programming/hdtv/hdtv_prog/index.shtml#MoreHD.


Please note that effective February 1, 2006, customers who currently subscribe to the 10 VOOM HD Originals for $5.00/mo. or the HD Pak of 5 channels for $9.99/mo. may continue to subscribe to them; however, these entertainment packages and price points will no longer be available for sale to new customers or as an upgrade for current DISH Network subscribers.

New customers or current customers upgrading to HD are encouraged to subscribe to one of our new DishHD packages for all their HD content!

· New VOOM HD Originals – to launch on DISH Network February 1, 2006:
? Family Room HD – Movies, series and specials suitable for all ages.
? GamePlay HD – Live video game tournaments and tips on playing strategies from the creators of everything from the newest games to arcade classics.
? Treasure HD – The first channel dedicated to the over 70 million Americans who share a passion for collecting, it has exclusive live coverage of prominent sales from the world's preeminent auction houses.
? World Cinema HD – Features award-winning movies and stars from around the globe.
? WorldSport HD – Live sports coverage from around the world.
2 new HD channels (Total of 7) – ESPN2HD and Universal HD channels will be added to DISH Network's current HD lineup, which includes Discovery HD Theater, TNT HD, HDNet, HDNet Movies and ESPN HD.

· New HD Channels – to launch on DISH Network February 1, 2006:
? ESPN2HD – A simulcast of ESPN2, ESPN2HD covers live telecasts and features college football and basketball, Major League Baseball and the National Hockey League – all originally produced and distributed in high definition television.
? Universal HD – The best of NBC Universal's library in HD with unedited and uninterrupted films, award-winning series, performing arts & special events and sports programming.

Don't forget that HBO HD and Showtime HD are included for free when customers subscribe to HBO and Showtime movie packages.

· New HD Local Markets – We plan to roll out 50 HD markets in 2006, translating approximately to 50% of U.S. households. In Q1 2006, we plan to launch the first HD DMAs starting in Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Minneapolis and New York!

? Please note that if a customer is already subscribing to a local package and paying the $5.00/mo. for locals, there is no additional charge for the HD locals. However, a customer will need new MPEG-4 equipment in order to see the HD local channels (requires a system upgrade).

· HD Over The Air (OTA) – Effective February 1, 2006, for subscribers who reside in DMAs that will not have HD local satellite service available, DISH Network will offer a solution to receive local HD broadcasts with an off-air antenna. Retailers can purchase antennas from their authorized hardware provider and install them for new and existing ViP receiver customers who subscribe to DishHD Bronze entertainment package or higher. Here is how it works:
? Customers pay an upfront fee of $49.99 for an antenna.
- This $49.99 includes installation for one receiver, one television and one OTA antenna.
- We recommend using a signal meter to decrease the amount of time to install the antenna.
- A new agreement form will be created and available in the Promotions Center for this offer.
? A $25 equipment discount may apply.
- Please note that the customer must have a ViP series receiver and DishHD Bronze or higher.
- Not payable in DMAs where HD locals are delivered by DISH Network over satellite.
? Certain upgrade and other fees for equipment and installation are collected by the retailer.

New Programming
· Oxygen – DISH Network has launched Oxygen in AT120, DishLATINO Dos, and DishHD Silver and higher on channel 127. Oxygen is replacing Lifetime Movie Network (LMN) in these entertainment packages. Channel 109, where LMN had previously been located, will continue its free preview of Encore Love. In addition, AT60 customers will receive a 30-day free preview of Oxygen on channel 127.

? Oxygen consists of 24 hours of original programming with a mission to bring women the edgiest, most innovative entertainment on television, with the most original shows of all women's networks including Mo'Nique's Fat Chance, Talk Sex with Sue Johanson and Oprah After the Show.

· Fine Living – On January 12, 2006, DISH Network launched Fine Living in AT180, America's Everything Pak, and DishHD Platinum and above, located on channel 113 for no additional charge.

? Fine Living provides 24/7, 100% original programming dedicated to the pursuit of personal passions and the art of getting the most from every moment in life. Programs covers five lifestyle categories people are most passionate about: Adventure, Personal Space, Favorite Things, Transport and Every Day.

DishLATINO Programming

New DishLATINO – New DishLATINO entertainment packages, channel lineups and HD programming to be announced soon. Additionally, DishLATINO, DishLATINO Dos and DishLATINO Max entertainment package prices will NOT increase in 2006!

Existing Customer Promotions

· New DISH'n It Up Changes – Effective February 1, 2006 – Now our existing customer promotions more closely reflect DISH Network's new customer lease upgrades!

o DISH'n It Up will be changed to include the new ViP622 DVR HD receiver. Effective February 1, 2006, existing customers can upgrade to a ViP622 DVR and pay the same $299.99 non-refundable lease upgrade fee as a new customer for the same upgrade.

o Also note that DISH'n It Up will require an 18-month commitment for all transactions, and for all customer plans.

o There is a limit of 1 HD receiver per transaction.

o And, there is a limit of 2 tuners per transaction for all customer plans.

o Eligible Equipment:
- HD – ViP622 DVR, DISH 411, ViP211
- SD – 625, 522, 510, 311, 301

o All HD upgrades will require the customer to subscribe to a minimum of DishHD Bronze entertainment package or higher.

Tech News

· Record Link – For analog, real-time, timer recordings from a compatible DISH Network receiver to an AV500E or AV700E PocketDISH.

? This is how Record Link works:
- Connect the PocketDISH to the receiver using the docking station (plus power) and RCA cables (or S-Video for improved video quality).
- Set an AUTO/EXT timer using the satellite receiver.
- When the timer starts, the PocketDISH will turn on, record the program, then turn off.

? Recording is real time, and basic program information will be included in the file name for ease in finding the program in the Video Recordings folder [this is updated from the folder location mentioned on the Chat] on the PocketDISH.
? Record Link is now available on: DISH 111, DISH 301 and DISH 311.

· Recent Software Updates
? 522/625 (Version L259):
- Can delete DVR history and rename DVR events.
Supports *99 phone prefix for use with some VoIP systems

Programming

Special Event – 2006 Winter Olympics

· DISH Network customers can experience the 2006 Winter Olympics in a new way with the NBC Showcase and Enhanced TV application.
  • HD viewing – Beginning February 10 through February 26, 2006, the networks of NBC will broadcast the 2006 Olympic Winter Games from Torino, Italy, with approximately 400 hours of original coverage including 200 hours of high definition simulcast on NBC HD and 100 hours of content including Hockey and Figure Skating from Universal HD.
  • NBC Showcase and Enhanced TV Application – DISH Network subscribers get a multiple-screen NBC Showcase with a 24/7 highlights reel and the NBC Enhanced Application – both on dish home channel 100.
- NBC Showcase will allow viewers to monitor 5 NBC Universal networks on a single TV screen and select the program to view in normal full screen.

- Enhanced TV Application, accessed through dish home, allows the viewer to access information such as medal counts, event schedules, athlete's biographies and more, while programming continues on ¼ screen mode. Viewers can return to full-screen mode at any time.

o MSNBC is available on AT120 or higher, and Universal HD is available on DishHD Bronze or higher (as of 2/1/06). A phone line connection from the receiver may be required. Not available on all receivers. An HD capable receiver and HD monitor are required to view HD programming.

- Receivers: DISH Network customers with OpenTV-enabled receiver models can view the multi-screen showcase through dish home interactive channel 100: 3900, 4900, 111, 301, 311, 811, 411, 322, and DISH DVR models 501, 508, 510, 522, 625, 942.

Sports Pay-Per-View

· WWE: Royal Rumble – January 29, 2006, 8PM ET.
30 Superstars. One goal – to be the last man standing and earn a shot at the title at Wrestlemania. This is guaranteed to be over-the-top action programming!

o DISH Network will broadcast live Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 8PM ET.
- The pre-show begins at 7:30PM ET.
- Price: $34.95
- Channels: 455/470

o Customers can order with their remote control, online at dishnetwork.com/wrestling or by calling 1-877-DISH PPV (347-4778) ($1.00 order fee applies when ordering by phone).

· Boxing: Morales versus Pacquiao 2 – Twelve-Round Super Featherweight Bout – January 21, 2006, 9PM ET.
Erik Morales is a boxer renowned for his skills in the ring; Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter whose speed and power dominate opponents. These two have met once before and their battle was epic, and their rematch is sure to be a thriller.

o DISH Network will broadcast their rematch live on January 21, 2006, at 9PM ET.
- The pre-show begins at 8:30PM ET.
- Price: $44.95
- Channels: 455/470
o Customers can order with their remote control, online at dishnetwork.com/boxing or by calling 1-877-DISH PPV (347-4778) ($1.00 order fee applies when ordering by phone).

· Pakistan Cricket Tournament – All Inclusive Package (One-Day International Games and Test Matches) – January 12 through February 19, 2006 (subject to change)
Two of cricket's biggest rivalries, India and Pakistan, continue the promise of a good show as they embark on their third tour in the last two years. This cricket tournament package – all 8 games (3 Test Games and 5 One-Day International Games) – is available exclusively on DISH Network Pay-Per-View (PPV).

? The package is available for purchase January 12, 2006 (Test Games begin January 12, 2006).
- Price for all 8 games is $149.95.
- Channels: 457/471.

? Customers can also only purchase the 5 One-Day International Games for $109.95 (without the 3 Test Games) available now.
International Programming

· 1 Free Month South Asian Programming - South Asian Cricket Combo Promotional Offer – Available January 12 through February 18, 2006 (subject to change).

? For new customers who initially activate with a DISH Network Cricket PPV package (see "Pakistan Cricket Tournament" section above under Sports Pay-Per-View) AND also activate under a qualifying South Asian entertainment package (see table below) between January 12, 2006 through February 18, 2006, they can get credit for one month free of South Asian programming! The one month free programming will be credited to the customers' billing statement approximately one month after the end of the promotion.

· 2006 African Cup of Nations Soccer – To be shown LIVE exclusively on DISH Network January 20, 2006 through February 10, 2006 – African Cup of Nations is one of the most vibrant and entertaining sporting events in the world.

o 2006 African Cup of Nations will be broadcast on 3A TELESUD French language channel. 3A TELESUD is located on channel 591 (from the 61.5° and 148° orbital locations) and channel 751 (from the 121° orbital location).

o 3A TELESUD will air all 32 African Cup of Nations games LIVE from Egypt from January 20 through February 10 2006, amounting to 150 hours of broadcasted soccer.

o 3A TELESUD French-language channel is sold ala carte for $14.99/mo. or $164.89/yr., or can be purchased within 5 different DISH Network French-language entertainment packages.

For more information on DISH Network's various French language programming packages, please go to http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/programming/international/packages/indexpackage.asp?languageType=French.

Customers who do not subscribe to AT60, AT120, AT180, AEP, DishLATINO, DishLATINO Dos, DishLATINO Max, LEP, DishFAMILY, DishHD Bronze, DishHD Silver, DishHD Gold, DishHD Platinum or Great Wall TV Package will be charged a $6.00 per month Access Fee.

Please note that a SuperDISH antenna is required to receive programming from the 121° orbital location. Customers may contact our Customer Service Center at 1-888-284-7116 for complete details.


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boogerbear said:
samatha6 said:
The first step is to see what kind of antenna you need and if you have line of site issues... Signal strength is more of an issue..

I live at the foot of the Blue Ridge Mountians. Beautiful view, clean water, great air, I love the snow blowing off the mountian, but the signal strenght just plain sucks. I was happy to get my regular locals from Dish because they are always clear. :mad:
But thanks for the advice. :)

Well with Digital OTA.. line of site is a pretty big factor. Thats why people are going higher on their roofs and using bigger antennas. Generally speaking, higher and bigger the better for Digital. When analog broadcasts go off the air there are going to be alot of folks upset. Mainly because many who can get half crappy analog signals now.. won't get anything with digital.. with digital... you got to get about 70 percent by my figures to lock in. So many areas that can do analog now will be dead. I can hear the outcry now.
J
My Digital is Better Than My Analog

samatha6 said:
boogerbear said:
Well with Digital OTA.. line of site is a pretty big factor. Thats why people are going higher on their roofs and using bigger antennas. Generally speaking, higher and bigger the better for Digital. When analog broadcasts go off the air there are going to be alot of folks upset. Mainly because many who can get half crappy analog signals now.. won't get anything with digital.. with digital... you got to get about 70 percent by my figures to lock in. So many areas that can do analog now will be dead. I can hear the outcry now.

My experience is completely different. I am 62 miles from the Atlanta Digital Antennas and receive half crappy analog but perfect digital reception on all of the Atlanta HD stations except NBC DT 10. With my ancient 6000, anything higher than a 47% signal strength is perfect. I had perfect reception of DT 10 until about 4 months ago, but with some apparent multi-path because the signal strength fluctuated from 70% down to about 58% every 4 seconds. About 4 months ago the multi-path (or whatever) became worse so that most of the time the signal goes from 70% to 0% about every 4 seconds. However, about 20% of the time the signal is rock solid at 70% with a perfect signal. I tried a Motorola OTA receiver and obtained the same results. Except for multi-path problems, digital reception for me is much better than analog.
Stargazer
Looks like there's going to be many people looking to get cable or satellite when analog OTA locals gets shut off. There's so many trees and hills here that I do not see how we will accomplish line of site.
mike123abc
One of the big problems in smaller markets is that the the stations are using a light bulb for the transmitter. I would be happy if my stations would at least get up to 25% of the licensed power. One station here is at about 3% of their licensed digital power.
SimpleSimon
Yup - I'm thinking that they will use their existing high power expensive analog transmitter for digital. We're not going to see them swap until the big day.
Tom Speer
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
· posted in DIRECTV Cutting Edge Information
In order to participate in any Cutting Edge testing, you must sign a Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA). Attached are a .docx (Microsoft Word) and PDF version of the latest DirecTV NDA. I found it easiest to complete the .docx version then paste a photo or scan image of my signature, cropped closely to just the signature into it as a picture. Then set Word to wrap text around the picture so that the picture follows the text "Signature".

People who have better PDF tools than I do may prefer that version.
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Last reply · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion
Howdy folks long time no write.

Issue(s): Horizontal transponders (esp. Weigel mux) breakup/mosaic/sputtering audio, JTV less so (but received perfectly up until a month or so ago.
Vertical is fine (Daystar). Up until recently couldn't even get any signal on Weigel Mux but JTV was perfect.

What I did to improve things: A slight westward move improved reception but only slightly (approx 72 on the micro HD, sorry no dB to post). I removed the 3-way C-Band splitter and used a 2-way to get a 1-2 db signal gain ( the power port goes to the Startrak - the micro HD doesn't have enough juice ! (1st clue) even after swapping the switching power supply it came with with a heftier linear 12 V supply (less RFI too !).
I have had issues with the uHD before signal breaking up that a reboot would clear up (clue #2 = dying tuner?) - FYI, I reinforced the IF input and removed all flux from the pcb completely with a Flux Removal Pen (MG Chemicals Cat No. 4140-P) which definitely makes a huge difference.

I went outside and pushed and pulled reflector slightly and no improvement. Pole (actually tower in yard - the neighbours love me..NOT) is plumb, checked with carpenters level. Dish was last peaked in 2017 or so, after overhauling 24" Von Weise, new Acme, fresh grease, etc. Focal length, f/d ratio etc meticulously adjusted. One panel has a tear so planning to repair that this weekend when my cousin comes over ( to help me out (old guy here) forecast calls for sunshine.

What has changed: My utility company has installed new high tension line poles (one smack dab in the middle of 101°W target! But they put it in last year and reception (of JTV (HOR) at least) was fine, BUT when they came out to transfer the wires over this year from the old (sawed in half) pole that's about when the troubles started (coincidence?), but again Daystar (VER) was fine. I always had this pole in the light of sight of 101° before with no issues. (fyi my zenith sat 74° is unobstucted, but can't test)

In the meantime Weigel mux is trying to break in MOSTLY in LATE at night (less cell usage?) (audio not video except for a frame here or there) so don't know what has changed with this mux which suddenly "woke up". I have never had to fuss with dish moves on this satellite ( the slightest move +/- motor clicks loses lock, wheres normally on C-band I can go significantly wider east or west and still have a strong signal ( have these gone "spot beam" or narrower somehow and what is the slight difference in Az listed on Lyngsat to 100.9° affect things ( isn't that the declination i.e. requiring a tweak of declination?).

Long story short (too late, ha), if I had another DVB-S2 box to try and / or a newer more stable PLL lnb ( I have been meaning to upgrade many a time but never got arround to it) I could determine if it's my antiquated receiving equipment, or my dish/feed alignment ( doubtful as it tracks everything from 55 °W to 133 ° W nicely.) or the dreaded 5G! (BUT only on HOR and not VER?).
I read another post where the OP (with his smaller 7.5 footer) played around with the illumination to peak desired transponder and reduce qrm on interfering/ stronger xpndrs (even on 103° W). So will play with that too - and cut away the RG-6 a and pull up a fresh section with new PPC and coax Seal. Open the throat cap see if any cobwebs are there and check servo operation (also changed in last maintence 10 years ago).

Finally, this will probably be the last chance I get to play with the BUD from the looks of it (providers leaving, auctioning off rest of spectrum imminent above 4.0 Ghz, and to keep the peace with neighbours so it would be nice to have that mux back for the long, cold and dark winters to comfort this old man before I call it quits and buy a VHF/UHF/FM Yagi and get MeTV, H&I from my Vermont local stations (checked at a friends today and they come in nicely - except ABC) .
Only one guy in town (Montreal) I may be able to get a receiver or PLL lnb from to try (RPS Sat) so hopefully with elimnate that as a possible culprit. Be nice to pick up a cheap or used PLL lnb to try w/o 5G BPF (money is tight )

Like others I couldn't care less about "tv" (well maybe just a liitle or a lot) it's the challenge that excites me , I can get MeTV other ways OTA (no pirate crap).

So what do you guys (and gals) think ?. p.s. I don't have a spectrum analyzer and there are def/ cell towers nearby (half a Km or so away).
Oh and time permitting will hammer out dings too and wire damaged mesh on one section for an extra dB or two. Hesitate to touch Declination, Elevation and pole mount but will play around with those a little too... Why is this mux for finicky suddenly ?(8psk, 5/6 fec, beamwidthetc.. man wish they went back to VER I think everthing would be fine! For the engineers out here does 5G QRM affect one poliarization (HOR) more than another (VER)? I understand the strong interference swamps out the input mixer/local oscilator in the hapless old C-band lnb (I think it at time affect KU too esp. LPB on 101°W KU - incidentally thos were weak or "gone' but are back almost at the time MeTV improved..hmm Terrestrial interference?

Any thoughts or suggestions ( cheap or free solutions please) greatly appreciated. Cheers.

p.p.s. Micro HD can't display Decades and Toons but records them fine so I can watch on another box/media player (Ali chip set issue). Another reason to upgrade.

Anybody interested in a nice C/KU system free ? (for next Spring/Summer 2027)

[Sami 10' mesh, Corotor II+, Eagle Aspen (very old) C-band lnb, Norsat Ku lnb, Channel Master C/Ku (H/V) switch, Startrak 400 Analog receiver w/ motor control, Geosat uHD DVD-S2, CW600S for Mpeg-2]
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arlo
To me it looks like all of the intelligent things to diagnose the problem 'on the cheap' are being done.
I have my own thoughts of lnbf's using an external filter between the feed and coax. It would be cool to see what Brian could add.
Do his units have the filter before the actual LNA chip in the circuit? In other words, signal is focused at the lnbf throat. The probes for h & v polarity send the signal to.......filtering......then to the lna IC......
Or probes, lna, then filtering. Makes sense to trap the bad stuff before amplification to me.

On the cheap sometimes leaves questions. Enosat and El Bandido both use dvb-s pci cards and TBS USB receivers.
With those, and software. Signal analysis becomes sort of easy. Or tapping into your coax with a dc pass splitter, decoupling capacitor, and using a spectrum analyzer. Tuning across the LO band. Finding signal spikes. Digging deep.

Still making my decision on a (most probably) TBS PCIe tuner card. But I have tapped into my coax with my ancient but quite impressive HP spectrum analyzer and tinysa.
I don't have 5G interference so far that I know of. But have my suspects because I'm only able to snag signal from 131W in the winter when the leaves drop. But out of curiosity do scan it in the fall. And seem to be getting a signal that 'shouldn't' be there and a scan shows no channels. Far as I got.

An idea pops up to rig up an LNBF on a stick. Along with the tinysa and power supply and do some rogue signal searches. War Driving, of sorts. But. I wouldn't think that a chinabox, firmware based receiver would be of much help.
From what I see scanning across the frequency band. 5G cell transmission is always on and is very wide spectrum.
Whether anyone is actually using talking, texting, watching stupid human tricks on YouTube Makes no difference. The RF is there. So why would a C Band setup come and go? And what if you dumped the corotor and went modern voltage controlled polarity?

Another thought. Since you've learned the optimal position to place the scalar to illuminate out to the dish rim. And peaked the feed. There's most of a roll of aluminum flashing out in my garage that would most definitely wrap around my dish perimeter. That and a bag of large binder clips from the office supply. wally world. Ideas?
B
To me it looks like all of the intelligent things to diagnose the problem 'on the cheap' are being done.
I have my own thoughts of lnbf's using an external filter between the feed and coax. It would be cool to see what Brian could add.
Do his units have the filter before the actual LNA chip in the circuit? In other words, signal is focused at the lnbf throat. The probes for h & v polarity send the signal to.......filtering......then to the lna IC......
Or probes, lna, then filtering. Makes sense to trap the bad stuff before amplification to me.

On the cheap sometimes leaves questions. Enosat and El Bandido both use dvb-s pci cards and TBS USB receivers.
With those, and software. Signal analysis becomes sort of easy. Or tapping into your coax with a dc pass splitter, decoupling capacitor, and using a spectrum analyzer. Tuning across the LO band. Finding signal spikes. Digging deep.

Still making my decision on a (most probably) TBS PCIe tuner card. But I have tapped into my coax with my ancient but quite impressive HP spectrum analyzer and tinysa.
I don't have 5G interference so far that I know of. But have my suspects because I'm only able to snag signal from 131W in the winter when the leaves drop. But out of curiosity do scan it in the fall. And seem to be getting a signal that 'shouldn't' be there and a scan shows no channels. Far as I got.

An idea pops up to rig up an LNBF on a stick. Along with the tinysa and power supply and do some rogue signal searches. War Driving, of sorts. But. I wouldn't think that a chinabox, firmware based receiver would be of much help.
From what I see scanning across the frequency band. 5G cell transmission is always on and is very wide spectrum.
Whether anyone is actually using talking, texting, watching stupid human tricks on YouTube Makes no difference. The RF is there. So why would a C Band setup come and go? And what if you dumped the corotor and went modern voltage controlled polarity?

Another thought. Since you've learned the optimal position to place the scalar to illuminate out to the dish rim. And peaked the feed. There's most of a roll of aluminum flashing out in my garage that would most definitely wrap around my dish perimeter. That and a bag of large binder clips from the office supply. wally world. Ideas?
I did some more investigating and found I got the MeTV mux in the early hours, until about 6am then the pixelating starts. Gets worse until around 8am its totally gone. I suspect my local cell tower is ramping up traffic as the morning goes on. My Titanium feed does a super job and most everything is clear that wasn't before but this mux is aggravating! I seem to just be over the signal threshold to work until the 5G total overwhelms my system. I'm using an old 9 foot spun aluminum dish and was wondering if I went to a 12 ft dish this would solve the problem? I know bigger is better in most satellite dish related signal problems. If this is true I will be searching for a bigger dish. I like your idea of flashing put around the dish perimeter. I have some I need to dig out and try before I start ripping out my dish. Anybody have any ideas if the bigger dish would do better? Any help would be appreciated!
S
I did some more investigating and found I got the MeTV mux in the early hours, until about 6am then the pixelating starts. Gets worse until around 8am its totally gone. I suspect my local cell tower is ramping up traffic as the morning goes on. My Titanium feed does a super job and most everything is clear that wasn't before but this mux is aggravating! I seem to just be over the signal threshold to work until the 5G total overwhelms my system. I'm using an old 9 foot spun aluminum dish and was wondering if I went to a 12 ft dish this would solve the problem? I know bigger is better in most satellite dish related signal problems. If this is true I will be searching for a bigger dish. I like your idea of flashing put around the dish perimeter. I have some I need to dig out and try before I start ripping out my dish. Anybody have any ideas if the bigger dish would do better? Any help would be appreciated!
8 1/2 Foot mesh here with the c140 lnbf and a verizon 5g tower nearby. Got no issue with the Metv transponder. Are you sure you have the lnbf setup correct? When I set my c140 up I noticed it was about 1/4 to 1/2 inch pushed in closer to the dish, sticking out of the scaler ring than my old lnbf was. Thought I may have trouble with that but my signal readings are higher than they had ever been.
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8 1/2 Foot mesh here with the c140 lnbf and a verizon 5g tower nearby. Got no issue with the Metv transponder. Are you sure you have the lnbf setup correct? When I set my c140 up I noticed it was about 1/4 to 1/2 inch pushed in closer to the dish, sticking out of the scaler ring than my old lnbf was. Thought I may have trouble with that but my signal readings are higher than they had ever been.
Thanks for the info. I'll do a detailed feed alignment this weekend. I have to be on a ladder to tweak this 101w satellite with the MeTV mux. Luckily I've got a V8 Finder so I'll put that to use. Funny, I got the MeTV mux fine this Friday morning. Jewelry TV was completely garbled though. I'm wondering if I'm having 2 degree spacing problems more than the cell tower affecting me. Seems strange some days I'm fine and others MeTV is completely destroyed. In the old days I could just move the dish to 99w and see what's there adjacent to MeTV. Maybe if I optimize my feed I can eliminate my problem either way. I have a 9 foot spun aluminum dish that may not have the best two degree isolation. Some of these were crudely made with a poor parabolic shape. I'll keep you posted and thanks to all for the advice!
arlo
Just some rambling here. Be safe on that ladder.
Took me about 20 seconds looking at a YouTube video showing the V8 Finder in use. A spectrum analyzer display.
Well, Cool! And it can power an lnbf stand alone. More cooler.
Well there's your 5g interference wonderment solution. IF you had a spare C band lnbf. Put it on a stick and go "wardriving". If 5g towers are blowing out signals strong enough to cause interference in your dish. Well.....
And off-axis, not in the same direction as the dish is pointed? Don't exactly know.

Take a drive around and look at towers with microwave dishes bolted to them. You'll see that a large share of them do have a perimeter shield. Further diving into the likes of Andrews show shields as an optional add-on to do just what you think they should do. Block adjacent interference. Probably a good idea when multiple units are on the same, or adjacent towers. Ya' think?

Some not-so-many years ago when I dove into this whole dish antenna thing. I replaced the c/ku band corotor feed with a Titanium C2-W. Being a good boy. Assuming that the original scalar was in the proper position from day one back in the 80's. I followed instructions and stuck the unit in the hole and bolted it down at the stamped marking as per instructions. I got my first signal finally with the Zgemma H7. I was thinking "that's it?". Signal sucked.
Then I looked at how the corotor feed was located looking at the bolt marks on the tube.
It was like focusing a telescope or camera. In the end. I was getting pretty good signals. That was in the dead of winter. And I hate the cold.

A buttonhook feed support. Give a margin of adjustability versus perimeter arm scalar supports.
And a lot of reading and experimenting showed that although the scalar was probably where it should be. Isn't anymore. The focal length / fd ratio calculations probably are right. If you have a perfect parabolic dish.
Mine ain't. And its old. Most probably not a perfect parabola since it was. As well as the polar mount. Fabricated locally.
I spoke to the old guy who installed all of them here back in the heyday. Started installing Prodelin dishes.
Everyone was watching HBO and Playboy. At 3-5 grand a pop.
He told me that him and his sons made a concrete form. Finished with a plaster top coat. And started spraying resin and chopped fiberglass. Then a metal flame sprayer like is used to build up crankshafts and stuff. Finished with several more layers of 'glass. The rest. Polar mount, cast iron pole mount. Contracted locally.
That's the story. I took that old beast and if you've seen Pootie Tang. I juvenated it and then rejuvenated it.

I think that one thing to remember is that in an lnbf. All of the satellite signal amping is done in the low noise amplifier section. What signal is blown out to the coax is done in the intermediate frequency amplifier section.
So what comes in the waveguide is what it is.
I've used several receivers. Different Enigma2 images on the same receiver show different signal levels. It's a software thing. Signal calibration and display. Don't forget that. One image might not give a signal lock on a weak transponder. Fire up another? Look at the TNAP images. An option to display signal below lock.
The only real way to tell the absolute signal level you get in the house is to use a certified spectrum analyzer/service monitor.

BTW. I'm on MeTV right now. Book 'em Danno. Purposefully aimed off-axis just above the threshold of pixelation.
Only thing I see is that the sun came and the sun went. That's where I saw break up for a half hour or so.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Heart of Glass - Blondie
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Harden My HEART-Quarterflash
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My Heart Will Go On - Celine Dion
Bobby
This Should Go On Forever - Rod Bernard
Bruce
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I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Bruce
And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?
b4pjoe
Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?
I think Hulu Live, YTTV, Fubo, and DIRECTV stream among others like my Internet provider has a TV service like Broadcast/Cable but it streams like the four services I mentioned and would be listed under Broadcast/Cable. Imagine how bad the numbers would be if they were listed under streaming and not Broadcast/Cable. I'm sure someone will correct me if that is wrong though.
Jimbo
I think Hulu Live, YTTV, Fubo, and DIRECTV stream among others like my Internet provider has a TV service like Broadcast/Cable but it streams like the four services I mentioned and would be listed under Broadcast/Cable. Imagine how bad the numbers would be if they were listed under streaming and not Broadcast/Cable. I'm sure someone will correct me if that is wrong though.
Well, your showing the same as I am, its impossible to get those that use both, as well as those that ARE both.
b4pjoe
Well, your showing the same as I am, its impossible to get those that use both, as well as those that ARE both.
Well they are both but I think they are only counted as Broadcast/Cable/Other.
Jimbo
Well they are both but I think they are only counted as Broadcast/Cable/Other.
But, Originally they were Streaming ...
Scott Greczkowski
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· posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
Was happy to see another video was posted of scanning the c band skies. :)

I am starting a new thread on this instead of putting it the first one as many people would miss the addition of this new video

Enjoy the memories.


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The following is from Reddit. -
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/s/orzHBkmqQW


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There appears to be a new DIRECTV Gemini OTT box, the C81KW-650.

The FCC listing is partially available, and a Geekbench entry confirms it uses an Amlogic S905X5, a solid SoC for a set-top box.

I also see 4GB of RAM, and the manufacturer is SEI Robotics.

DIRECTV C81KW OTT Box - Android TV Guide

Ok found a picture of the Box too on Reddit:


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/comments/1twlex0/comment/opzeqi1/
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A new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming possibly becoming available in January of 2027? That would be welcome news.

I have been exploring leaving Dish DBS ever since a software update around Aug. 10, version H711 and now H712, is causing problems with IR signals and the Dish Hopper 3. As a result my Sofabaton X2 universal remote no longer works perfectly as it did prior to the H711 and H712 Dish Hopper 3 firmware updates.

I have been a little leary of the current hardware available for DirecTV streaming as the Gemini Ospry box fits my needs, however they are getting a little long in the tooth and finding the 4GB RAM (SKU: 60233) Osprey box complete with remote and power cable is somewhat challenging. I see that the 2GB RAM Osprey boxes (SKU: 60164) can be found on Ebay and at Walmart online used, however a 4GB Osprey box is preferred.

Now I wonder if I should just wait it out until the new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming becomes available. I want a box with an Ethernet port and the Gemini Air is WiFi only. If the new Gemini box does become available in January of 2027 will it be lease only via DirecTV or will we be allowed to purchase them?
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A new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming possibly becoming available in January of 2027? That would be welcome news.

I have been exploring leaving Dish DBS ever since a software update around Aug. 10, version H711 and now H712, is causing problems with IR signals and the Dish Hopper 3. As a result my Sofabaton X2 universal remote no longer works perfectly as it did prior to the H711 and H712 Dish Hopper 3 firmware updates.

I have been a little leary of the current hardware available for DirecTV streaming as the Gemini Ospry box fits my needs, however they are getting a little long in the tooth and finding the 4GB RAM (SKU: 60233) Osprey box complete with remote and power cable is somewhat challenging. I see that the 2GB RAM Osprey boxes (SKU: 60164) can be found on Ebay and at Walmart online used, however a 4GB Osprey box is preferred.

Now I wonder if I should just wait it out until the new Gemini box for DirecTV streaming becomes available. I want a box with an Ethernet port and the Gemini Air is WiFi only. If the new Gemini box does become available in January of 2027 will it be lease only via DirecTV or will we be allowed to purchase them?
there leased at 10.00 per box. unless you can find em at ebay or wally world where people have gotten em before. or you could get a roku apple tv firestick if you don't need the channel numbers
GRB1959
there leased at 10.00 per box. unless you can find em at ebay or wally world where people have gotten em before. or you could get a roku apple tv firestick if you don't need the channel numbers

I appreciate the reply. My wife will be using this as well so a numeric keypad to change channels that actually works is a must and I want it to have a hardwired Ethernet port so that leaves the Gemini box as my only real choice.
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I appreciate the reply. My wife will be using this as well so a numeric keypad to change channels that actually works is a must and I want it to have a hardwired Ethernet port so that leaves the Gemini box as my only real choice.
oh and channel master did make a numeric keypad for the apple t.v. i don't know if they still do and if that would work with dtv channel numbers!
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The DTV app doesn't respond to channel number inputs on 3rd party devices.
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The DTV app doesn't respond to channel number inputs on 3rd party devices.
This is good to know!!!
Tom Speer
PUBLIC INFORMATION SUMMARY: DIRECTV's New Streaming‑Only Device (Model C81KW‑650)

I asked ChatGPT to summarize what is publicly known about DirecTV's new Streaming box. Here is what it said:

DIRECTV has a new streaming‑only device undergoing testing, publicly identified as model C81KW‑650.FCC filings and Reddit posts show it uses an Amlogic S905X5 chipset with 4 GB RAM, 64 GB storage, Wi‑Fi 6, Ethernet, and support for modern codecs including AV1 and H.266.It runs Android TV 14 and is manufactured by SEI Robotics.

Performance is significantly improved over the Osprey‑based Gemini and Gemini Air, with a faster CPU, stronger GPU, double the RAM, modern codec support, and better connectivity.

The FCC lists it as an OTT device, and all public information indicates it is intended for streaming service only.No official release date has been announced.

Making it also function as a Genie client would only be a matter of software, but that would not be able to use all the advanced codecs built into this device. That is clearly not a near term priority for DirecTV, if they ever do it at all.
b4pjoe
Here is what Google Gemini says about it:

The DIRECTV New Streaming‑Only Device (Model C81KW-650) is the successor set-top box to DIRECTV's original Gemini hardware (C71KW). Manufactured by SEI Robotics, details about the device emerged through FCC filings and hardware benchmarks.




It represents a significant performance upgrade over previous DIRECTV hardware.




Hardware & Performance Upgrades

  • Processor (SoC): Powered by the Amlogic S905X5 chipset featuring a quad-core ARM Cortex-A510 CPU (2.0 GHz). This offers roughly a 35–40% performance increase over the older Broadcom chipsets, resulting in much faster app load times and UI responsiveness.



  • Graphics: Upgraded to an ARM Mali-G310 GPU.
  • Memory & Storage: Equipped with 4GB of RAM and 64GB of internal storage—a substantial jump from previous models that allows smoother multitasking and plenty of space for third-party streaming apps.

Software & Connectivity

  • Operating System: Runs Android TV 14 out of the box.



  • Wi-Fi Upgrade: Includes Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax) support, replacing the older Wi-Fi 5 standard for more stable wireless 4K video streaming.



  • Expanded Codec Support: Supports 4K Ultra HD with AV1, VP9, H.264, HEVC/H.265, and support for future-proof VVC/H.266 video playback.



  • HDR & Audio: Supports Dolby Vision and HDR10+.

Core Ecosystem Features

  • DIRECTV Experience: Retains full integration with DIRECTV's unified interface—combining live satellite or internet channel guides with third-party streaming apps downloaded via the Google Play Store.
  • Voice & Smart Controls: Built-in Google Assistant voice navigation and Google Cast support.
dishstaller
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· posted in The Chit Chat Club
I've always been super interested in things space related so this is a pretty cool event coming up. Nov 18, 2026 early in the morning, Voyager 1 will reach the distance of one full light day from Earth. Took almost 50 yrs. I was 13 when it launched.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gjHK3clOwIw?feature=share
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· posted in General Home Theater Equipment
Hey everyone,
I got the all important spousal buy-in to get all my equipment back out for Sat, Terrestrial reception. The catch is that I can't add any more equipment to our main house and everything will stay in the out building ~250 feet from our house. My idea is to use the server I already have to encode the feeds from multiple sources into streams that I can then watch via plex in the main house. Has anyone done this or know of any decent turn key solutions?
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Now that I'm retired, obviously I have different health care insurance. I take 2 prescriptions. With my old insurance I didn't have to pay for either of them, now I do. It's not a huge amount but it led me to dig a little into the cost of prescription medications. I have been using Walgreens for the longest time. But what I found was that Walgreens price is 4.8 times more for one of my prescriptions and the other is 2.3 percent more compared to the lowest price pharmacy. If you pay for prescription medications you might want to have a look at trumprx and see if you can get a lower price.


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I run them through several different providers to see who has the lowest cost

Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx

Also...


You can also price them through the CareCard and WellRx apps.

Sometimes Amazon Pharmacy is cheapest.
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Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx
I'm fortunate and don't take any medications. A couple years ago I had to take some antibiotics and used the GoodRx app. Went to Walmart and the person behind the desk knew me and told me to just buy them outright....the GoodRx price was a LOT higher. She said they aren't supposed to tell customers when they see they are being screwed.
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That's ok. I probably take enough for the two of us.

God knows what Bobby takes. Maybe so much they count as a meal?
:D
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That's ok. I probably take enough for the two of us.

God knows what Bobby takes. Maybe so much they count as a meal?
:D
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Actually I take just 2 prescriptions, Atorvastatin and Lisinopril. They cost me $6 each for 100 pills. Next year that will be nothing.
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Actually I take just 2 prescriptions, Atorvastatin and Lisinopril. They cost me $6 each for 100 pills. Next year that will be nothing.
Those are two of the three I take.
comfortably_numb
Went to Walmart and the person behind the desk knew me and told me to just buy them outright....the GoodRx price was a LOT higher

Walmart and Sam's pharmacies have "zero rated" prescriptions lists where generics are $4 (or less). If yours are on that list, then of course GoodRx isn't going to help. Also, GoodRx isn't always the cheapest discount program. For me, the cheapest is usually Mark Cuban's Cost Plus Drugs.